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[denizaksulu]

CopperLine, the piece you’ve quoted is irrelevant because Oracle actually stressed a country at war (on her territory) in which case different rules apply!

I also remind that interment of suspected traitors/agitators is WIDELY PRACTICED in the US and the UK TODAY.

Didn’t you notice?

Did you mean 'internment'?

[Oracle]

Taking away privileges from those endangering the community happen every day, every minute and they do not have to infringe on Human Rights.

An Iraqi colleague (Ph.D. student) was interned during the Gulf War for questioning.

[Get Real!]

Jerry,

What we are fighting for today is not just about your piece and my piece of scrub!

Some of us are actually concerned in whose hands and in what state Cyprus will be in 100, 500, or even 1000 years from now!

Of course, being a half baked Cypriot cum Charlie, it may not be important to you but to those of us who are indigenous with a 10,000 year old inheritance it’s EVERYTHING!

What bloody rubbish. The day you joined the EU you gave up your identity. Soon you will be a minority in your own country.

If decades of EU history is anything to go by, EU membership doesn’t appear to have removed any of its member's cultural identities thus far.

Its invasions, ethnic cleansing, and the importation of illegal settlers that do!

[CopperLine]

Jerry,

What we are fighting for today is not just about your piece and my piece of scrub!

Some of us are actually concerned in whose hands and in what state Cyprus will be in 100, 500, or even 1000 years from now!

Can't help that this reminds me of the kind of thinking of that short-arsed mono-testicular Austrian corporal with a moustache who sacrificed anyone and everyone for his dystopian 1,000 year reich.

Get Real, you can't know one way or the other what Cyprus will be like in 100 years time, let alone a 1,000 years. So your claim that you're doing things today to ensure a particular disposition in a 1,000 years is quite literally meaningless.

[DTA]

Jerry you are not being a good enough greek for oracle you need to hate the tcs and Turks you need to have blind faith the balance of power will change and mighty Hellans will take over the world; even though everything points in the other direction.
Who needs logic when you feel that intellect is your good given right?

[DTA]

Also jerry don't show any willingness to actually compromise or show compassion because that makes you a traitor in the eyes of the one that claims foresight yet is blind to the past present and future.

[CopperLine]

An Iraqi colleague (Ph.D. student) was interned during the Gulf War for questioning.

No s/he was not interned. S/he may have been detained, but was not interned. Internment is a particular form of adminisitrative detention - typically where no crime or breach is alleged against that class or set of people - applied to a whole class or set of subjects. The detention of an individual (or even several) Iraqi PhD student does not constitute internment. I followed closely the treatment in the UK of Iraqi (and other) nationals during the 1980s, 1990s to the present (being a member of various HR organisations and advocacy groups) and I can tell you for sure that no Iraqis were interned. (They were abused in many other ways, but not internment)

You, Oracle, started a thread advocating internment of civilian (a class or set of subjects) "partitionists" (a class or set of subjects) despite the fact that they had not committed any crime or breach of law (either of RoC or international). This is the kind of thing that fascists advocate, hence accusing you of being a fascist.

[Jerry]

Jerry,

What we are fighting for today is not just about your piece and my piece of scrub!

Some of us are actually concerned in whose hands and in what state Cyprus will be in 100, 500, or even 1000 years from now!

Of course, being a half baked Cypriot cum Charlie, it may not be important to you but to those of us who are indigenous with a 10,000 year old inheritance it’s EVERYTHING!

GR, why do you always feel the need to offend when you post. What has the fact that I'm a half baked charlie got to do with my views, I'm actually more passionate about Cyprus than many of my Cypriot cousins.

GR it's time you got real. Being a half baked Cypriot I can see outside the box, your views, in my opinion, are literally, far too insular. Cyprus, unfortunately, is not the centre of the universe and the plain fact is that others outside the island will always have an interest and a say in its future.

For instance, the ECHR has said that those outsiders who now have their homes in the north can stay there. I don't like that ruling, I disagree with it but there is nothing we can do about it if they don't want to leave. Every year the numbers will increase, how do we deal with it? Rants and abuse on the CF won't make them go in spite of the efforts made here.

[Get Real!]

Jerry,

What we are fighting for today is not just about your piece and my piece of scrub!

Some of us are actually concerned in whose hands and in what state Cyprus will be in 100, 500, or even 1000 years from now!

Can't help that this reminds me of the kind of thinking of that short-arsed mono-testicular Austrian corporal with a moustache who sacrificed anyone and everyone for his dystopian 1,000 year reich.

Get Real, you can't know one way or the other what Cyprus will be like in 100 years time, let alone a 1,000 years. So your claim that you're doing things today to ensure a particular disposition in a 1,000 years is quite literally meaningless.

The actions we take today will have a profound effect on the preservation of Cyprus’ unique identity and culture in the future, just as the actions of Greek Nationalists in the 70s have jeopardized it.

[CopperLine]

Taking away privileges from those endangering the community happen every day, every minute and they do not have to infringe on Human Rights.

What are you talking about ? Internment of people without trial, without charge, without due process, employing collective punishment is not "taking away privileges" !!!! It is a wholesale denial of basic human rights.

Being free from (fear of) false or baseless accusation is not a privilege that can be extended or withheld as if it is a gift (from whom ?) It is a UDHR right, it is an ECHR right, it is a customary right.

The fact that you can't make the most elementary of distinctions between a right and a privilege tells us all we need to know about your vile and bitter politics.