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[JODU]

[quote="Get Real!"][quote="JODU"]you talk on this forum with cheap words that you truely believe is true in your small barbaric head .[/quote]
I'd be VERY worried if I were posting stuff I didn't believe is true!

As for the size of my head, it does tend to swell so make sure you're not around when that happens!

[quote]I cant believe that they are part of the EEC ,they are so backward and sexist people ,The men think they can go around going with other women whilst their wives stay at home .[/quote]
Yeah, Turks can be really bad... let's hope after joining the EEC they'll cease shagging sheep.

[quote]I invite any GC women to argue against the statement i have made because you know its true.[/quote]
I'm sure they agree with our sentiments...[/quote]

HOOK LINE AND SINKER .

Well actually they are busy going with Turks and thats a fact your just too busy praising yourself .

Before you answer my wife is greek and she hates greek men because generally they are just like the way you are so the women go off with everyone but their own .

I suggest you go and follow your partner perhaps she is fed up with your egoistical self admiring punitive person that you are .

I know exactly how you will respond to this because you are predictable and boring so good bye and good ridens as you wont get a response from me .

[kurupetos]

[JODU]

[quote="Get Real!"][quote="JODU"]I can tell you the exact time we attacked as i was a soldier .

I can put my hand on my heart and say it was a mission well satisfying and glorious to save and protect TCs against individuals like this character making these bold statements .

I can tell you for now they were not being so bold as this character is being on this Forum when we landed by parachutes and came by tanks and by land and i mean their soldiers who were armed and could have easily resisted but chose to run .

They literally dropped their riffles and ran or waved the white flag without any resistance .
That is one thing our culture would never do is run or fear anyone as when you fight for justice you have no fear but when you are causing injustice then what cause do you fight for none.

What i say to you oh great bold talking GC is stop talking out of your orafice and be carefull how you choose to talk of my people as you should have some respect for each other because you need to realise that we are a fearless nation and very proud of our origin and that makes us dangerous. you are not of that same origin as your origin has all ways in history lost to turks .you are a weak and guttless nation so humble yourself to your master.[/quote]

Unfortunately, an outside observer didn’t find the Turkish military so brave…

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the [b]United States Senate[/b] sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

[quote][i]"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”[/i][/quote]
It couldn’t have been easier for Turkey in July 1974, as Cyprus at the time was THE cakewalk of cakewalks and yet her military performance can only be described as a major military disaster![/quote]

I cant believe you have the nerve to discuss tactics when we took Cyprus in 3 Days and yes there was some resistance but most surrendered and that shows the difference of the will to fight.

Can you then explain Gallipoli mr know it all . The Turks were outnumbered but resisted to their deaths and won the war due to sheer tactics and the will to fight .

[Get Real!]

Well actually they are busy going with Turks and thats a fact your just too busy praising yourself .

But Turks stink and are uneducated so its hard for them to score women.

Before you answer my wife is greek and she hates greek men because generally they are just like the way you are so the women go off with everyone but their own .

Well we agree on something! I hate Greeks too! Only thing, I wouldn't go with Turkish women because of the personal hygiene thingy...

I suggest you go and follow your partner perhaps she is fed up with your egoistical self admiring punitive person that you are .

But would she opt for a Turkish self-hating smelly one instead?

I know exactly how you will respond to this because you are predictable and boring so good bye and good ridens as you wont get a response from me .

Oh yes I will... So welcome to hell!

[supporttheunderdog]

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

Why don't you improve your general outlook and familiarise yourself with the country you have chosen in which to invest your money and stop making fanciful assumptions.

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN. Otherwise, why do you think they are here? Buying holiday homes?

From the UN site:

UNFICYP remains to supervise ceasefire lines, maintain the buffer zone and undertake humanitarian activities. The Secretary-General continues his good offices aimed at reaching a peaceful settlement.

(As for your other gripes in defence of the indefensible Conor and nosiness about Miltiades; kindly keep them in General Chat.)

The UN came in 1964 to man the original green line, drawn up following the attempt of the Majority GC leadership tomusurp the 1960 constitution: it is almost certainlybthe case that Takist extremists exploited the situation but it was just a step on the road started by the GC side, that resulted ultimately in the invasions by Greece and turkey of 1974.

I think you will find that the Taksim extremists were very active in 1958 and before:-

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus2.html

for example 389, 1/4 of the way down

BTW have you read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

Thanks for this reference, but yes I was aware that Takism had been an aspect of Cyprus Politics in the run up to Indpendance, as a Turkish counter to the calls for Enosis. For variety of reasons, rightly or wrongly, Turkey did not want Enosis. Independance was the compromise.

I am also aware in general terms of British and American Duplicity in dealing with Cyprus, for their own reasons connected with the Suez in 1956 and the Cold war, including the work of Major Macey in supporting the TMT in the 1963/64 troubles, as they did not want Enosis either.

What the GC leadership failed to apprecaite in the period 1960-63 was that enosis was a non starter and their efforts to achive it in 1963 were never going to be permitted, hence the ongoing threat of invasionp with the defacto ethnic partiton in 1964.
.

[JODU]

[quote="JODU"][quote="Get Real!"][quote="JODU"]I can tell you the exact time we attacked as i was a soldier .

I can put my hand on my heart and say it was a mission well satisfying and glorious to save and protect TCs against individuals like this character making these bold statements .

I can tell you for now they were not being so bold as this character is being on this Forum when we landed by parachutes and came by tanks and by land and i mean their soldiers who were armed and could have easily resisted but chose to run .

They literally dropped their riffles and ran or waved the white flag without any resistance .
That is one thing our culture would never do is run or fear anyone as when you fight for justice you have no fear but when you are causing injustice then what cause do you fight for none.

What i say to you oh great bold talking GC is stop talking out of your orafice and be carefull how you choose to talk of my people as you should have some respect for each other because you need to realise that we are a fearless nation and very proud of our origin and that makes us dangerous. you are not of that same origin as your origin has all ways in history lost to turks .you are a weak and guttless nation so humble yourself to your master.[/quote]

Unfortunately, an outside observer didn’t find the Turkish military so brave…

Immediately after the Turkish invasion the [b]United States Senate[/b] sent a team of investigators to Cyprus to write up a report on the consequences of the invasion which included a section titled “COSTS OF THE INVASION TO TURKEY”. An interesting portion of that section follows…

[quote][i]"Nearly 10% of Turkey's military force is now stationed on Cyprus, and there have been heavy logistical and support requirements. Civilian "technicians" and others have also gone to the island. Moreover, there were considerable losses during the invasion. According to responsible military sources in the field, the performance of Turkey's armed forces during the first phase of the invasion was very poor. Although Turkey apparently employed a basic plan its general staff had drafted and perfected over a period of several years, military observers say there was poor operational planning, inadequate communications, and a near total failure of joint operations among Turkish air, sea, and ground forces.

As a result, through tactical errors Turkey lost an estimated 15 aircraft during the invasion. It sank one of its own destroyers. Casualties were considered light, but included some 300 men killed and another 500 wounded. Had there been any substantial Greek Cypriot forces and tanks in the northern part of the island, casualties undoubtedly would have been considerably higher. One military observer suggested, for example, that because the Turkish airborne assault came at too high an altitude, a better organized and equipped Greek Cypriot army could have easily eliminated an entire Turkish airborne regiment swinging helplessly in the air.”[/i][/quote]
It couldn’t have been easier for Turkey in July 1974, as Cyprus at the time was THE cakewalk of cakewalks and yet her military performance can only be described as a major military disaster![/quote]

I cant believe you have the nerve to discuss tactics when we took Cyprus in 3 Days and yes there was some resistance but most surrendered and that shows the difference of the will to fight.

Can you then explain Gallipoli mr know it all . The Turks were outnumbered but resisted to their deaths and won the war due to sheer tactics and the will to fight .[/quote]

And so i should take note from an outside observer or myself as i foughjt in the war you twat .I am here and still alive and i was the first of the first that landed .
I lived experienced and breathed the war so dont tell me that it was a disaster .

What is a disaster is The Brits in Afganistan and still after so many years they have not won the war against so called terror . look at the technology the British have and what are these afghans have they are a bunch of sheep shaggers

[supporttheunderdog]

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

Why don't you improve your general outlook and familiarise yourself with the country you have chosen in which to invest your money and stop making fanciful assumptions.

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN. Otherwise, why do you think they are here? Buying holiday homes?

From the UN site:

UNFICYP remains to supervise ceasefire lines, maintain the buffer zone and undertake humanitarian activities. The Secretary-General continues his good offices aimed at reaching a peaceful settlement.

(As for your other gripes in defence of the indefensible Conor and nosiness about Miltiades; kindly keep them in General Chat.)

The UN came in 1964 to man the original green line, drawn up following the attempt of the Majority GC leadership tomusurp the 1960 constitution: it is almost certainlybthe case that Takist extremists exploited the situation but it was just a step on the road started by the GC side, that resulted ultimately in the invasions by Greece and turkey of 1974.

I think you will find that the Taksim extremists were very active in 1958 and before:-

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus2.html

for example 389, 1/4 of the way down

BTW have you read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

Thanks for this reference, but yes I was aware that Takism had been an aspect of Cyprus Politics in the run up to Indpendance, as a Turkish counter to the calls for Enosis. For variety of reasons, rightly or wrongly, Turkey did not want Enosis. Independance was the compromise.

I am also aware in general terms of British and American Duplicity in dealing with Cyprus, for their own reasons connected with the Suez in 1956 and the Cold war, including the work of Major Macey in supporting the TMT in the 1963/64 troubles, as they did not want Enosis either.

What the GC leadership failed to apprecaite in the period 1960-63 was that enosis was a non starter and their efforts to achive it in 1963 were never going to be permitted, hence the ongoing threat of invasionp with the defacto ethnic partiton in 1964.
.

[Get Real!]

I cant believe you have the nerve to discuss tactics when we took Cyprus in 3 Days and yes there was some resistance but most surrendered and that shows the difference of the will to fight.

It must be awful to read the US Senates’ report bursting your bubble after all the baloney you were fed by Turkish authors all these decades!

Can you then explain Gallipoli mr know it all . The Turks were outnumbered but resisted to their deaths and won the war due to sheer tactics and the will to fight .

Must you jump around like a little Turkish rabbit on heat from one issue to the next? Let's stick to July 1974!

So how do you suppose the TAF lost 15 supersonic fighter jets to AAA fired by a rag-tag bunch on donkeys?

[Gregory]

I cant believe you have the nerve to discuss tactics when we took Cyprus in 3 Days and yes there was some resistance but most surrendered and that shows the difference of the will to fight.

It must be awful to read the US Senates’ report bursting your bubble after all the baloney you were fed by Turkish authors all these decades!

Can you then explain Gallipoli mr know it all . The Turks were outnumbered but resisted to their deaths and won the war due to sheer tactics and the will to fight .

Must you jump around like a little Turkish rabbit on heat from one issue to the next? Let's stick to July 1974!

So how do you suppose the TAF lost 15 supersonic fighter jets to AAA fired by a rag-tag bunch on donkeys?

Treasonous Greek officers had locked up most of the ammunition and supplies. Turkey of 70 million and the 2nd largest NATO army pretty much took losses, met with fierce resistance and found it difficult to tame this small islands army that was fighting itself at the time and had one hand tied behind its back with no or little supplies.

You think the Brits have difficulty with the taliban in Afghanistan? Try touching this little Cypriot porcupine now.

[denizaksulu]

It is however based upon the fallacy that a state of war exists that Oracle is seking to defend the utterly indefensible, ie forced suppression of the views of thiose who do not conform to her narrow minded one-eyed facist view. IMHO with this one, Oracle has "lost the plot":

Why don't you improve your general outlook and familiarise yourself with the country you have chosen in which to invest your money and stop making fanciful assumptions.

Cyprus is in a state of war, with a ceasefire imposed by the UN. Otherwise, why do you think they are here? Buying holiday homes?

From the UN site:

UNFICYP remains to supervise ceasefire lines, maintain the buffer zone and undertake humanitarian activities. The Secretary-General continues his good offices aimed at reaching a peaceful settlement.

(As for your other gripes in defence of the indefensible Conor and nosiness about Miltiades; kindly keep them in General Chat.)

The UN came in 1964 to man the original green line, drawn up following the attempt of the Majority GC leadership tomusurp the 1960 constitution: it is almost certainlybthe case that Takist extremists exploited the situation but it was just a step on the road started by the GC side, that resulted ultimately in the invasions by Greece and turkey of 1974.

I think you will find that the Taksim extremists were very active in 1958 and before:-

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus2.html

for example 389, 1/4 of the way down

BTW have you read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

Thanks for this reference, but yes I was aware that Takism had been an aspect of Cyprus Politics in the run up to Indpendance, as a Turkish counter to the calls for Enosis. For variety of reasons, rightly or wrongly, Turkey did not want Enosis. Independance was the compromise.

I am also aware in general terms of British and American Duplicity in dealing with Cyprus, for their own reasons connected with the Suez in 1956 and the Cold war, including the work of Major Macey in supporting the TMT in the 1963/64 troubles, as they did not want Enosis either.

What the GC leadership failed to apprecaite in the period 1960-63 was that enosis was a non starter and their efforts to achive it in 1963 were never going to be permitted, hence the ongoing threat of invasionp with the defacto ethnic partiton in 1964.
.

A fair assessment of the situation we find ourselves in.

Now what?