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Intelligentsia: Cyprus not a problem of Ethnic Conflict.

Postby lola-tulip » Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:38 pm

Too quick recognition of "independence" was a problem in case of 'Kosovo'.

What of Cyprus, when it does not even figure as a problem of Ethnic Conflict?

http://www.ted.com/talks/stefan_wolff_t ... licts.html

We all know Turkey would be here, even if there was not even one Turkish relative to save.
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Postby wyoming cowboy » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:17 pm

no shit mrs svetlana the cyprus problem is arelic of the cold war
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Postby Gasman » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:40 am

Oh well if Stefan Wolff says there was no ethnic conflict in Cyprus. I suppose it must be true.

Blimey he is a busy bee! Can't see a reference to Cyprus in his bio tho

Why you should listen to him:

German political scientist Stefan Wolff is professor of international security at the University of Birmingham, England, and one of the world's leading experts on ethnic conflicts. He consults with governments and international organizations on issues such as the development and stability of post-conflict areas, the institutional design of solutions for self-determination conflicts, and ethnopolitics and minority questions. Bridging the divide between academia and policy-making, he has been involved in various phases of conflict settlement processes in Sudan, Moldova, Sri Lanka and Kosovo. He has also worked on a wide range of conflicts in places such as Northern Ireland, the Balkans, Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, the Middle East and Asia. He is currently advising on the settlement of the status of Kirkuk, Iraq, and Transnistria, Moldova. He's written a dozen books, including Ethnic Conflict: A Global Perspective, the first major treatment of the subject aimed at a broad general audience. He's the founding editor of Ethnopolitics, a quarterly, peer-reviewed journal dedicated to the study of ethnic conflicts and their management around the globe.


His blog type site doesn't work very well. It's basically an ad for his book isn't it?
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Postby Gasman » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:49 am

Wondering where 'Intelligensia' came from?

Stefan says:

leadership, diplomacy and institutional design are our three most effective weapons


I was immediately reminded of the Python sketch about the Spanish Inquisition:

"Our two weapons are fear and surprise and a ruthless efficiency..."

Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... "

"Our four weapons are ...."

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Re: Intelligentsia: Cyprus not a problem of Ethnic Conflict.

Postby shahmaran » Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:17 pm

lola-tulip wrote:Too quick recognition of "independence" was a problem in case of 'Kosovo'.

What of Cyprus, when it does not even figure as a problem of Ethnic Conflict?

http://www.ted.com/talks/stefan_wolff_t ... licts.html

We all know Turkey would be here, even if there was not even one Turkish relative to save.


No we don't.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:20 pm

Then read Davutoglu's book Strategic Depth, in which he says precisely what Lola poste, that Turkey would be in Cyprus even if there was not a single moslem there.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Nov 10, 2010 6:49 pm

Fact: The British and the Turks were talking about partition from the 1950s BEFORE any ethnic conflict.

The ethnic conflict was not the reason for the partition. On the contrary partition was the reason for the ethnic conflict. First came the decision for partition, and the ethnic conflict was the excuse and the means to enforce what had already been decided.

It is not coincidence that the TCs initiated the inter-communal conflict in the 50s.
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Postby lovernomore » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:03 pm

Piratis wrote:Fact: The British and the Turks were talking about partition from the 1950s BEFORE any ethnic conflict.

The ethnic conflict was not the reason for the partition. On the contrary partition was the reason for the ethnic conflict. First came the decision for partition, and the ethnic conflict was the excuse and the means to enforce what had already been decided.

It is not coincidence that the TCs initiated the inter-communal conflict in the 50s.


You are full of SHIT.
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:51 pm

Piratis wrote:Fact: The British and the Turks were talking about partition from the 1950s BEFORE any ethnic conflict.

The ethnic conflict was not the reason for the partition. On the contrary partition was the reason for the ethnic conflict. First came the decision for partition, and the ethnic conflict was the excuse and the means to enforce what had already been decided.

It is not coincidence that the TCs initiated the inter-communal conflict in the 50s.


Yeah 500 years of ethnic mixing and all that time it was about "partition" :lol:

Partition was a reaction TO Enosis, so Enosis came first, not partition.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:12 pm

shahmaran wrote:Partition was a reaction TO Enosis, so Enosis came first, not partition.

No, the Turks came first in 1570 to partition!
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