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[Paphitis]

Cyprus is a GREEK isle...

I happen to like Italy and Italian culture but that doesn’t make me hallucinate that Cyprus is an Italian island!

greek a in non turkish or british you prick. Stamata tes malakies sou re, hade na se dw.

GR is a useful idiot, he serves the Anglo's/Turks interests by saying Cyprus isn't Greek, if only he new this.

And whose interests do you serve by claiming that Cyprus is Greek if not Greece?

Now quit posting stupidities!

One of the few things I can probably agree with GR is that true Cypriots are neither Greek nor Turkish: There are many English speaking WASPS in the world in places Like the USA , Australi, Canda, New Zealand etc, whoh, can probbably show a bigger gentic link to Britain And The British, even England and the English than the G?C to Greece onf T/C to Turkey, but just as they may share Languge Religion and even gentics they do not conider themseles as British/English.

So iit should be with Cyprus, where , but for the post 74 influx, the T/C and G/C as some may describe themslves are rather more closely related to each other than they are to Greeks from modern day Greece and/or Turkey, and the Turkishness or Greekness is a myth.

I don't believe it is any of your concern on whether Cypriots are either Greek or Turkish! This obviously has little to do with genetics you racist!

[supporttheunderdog]

I also think that ELAM is a racist / fascist organisation and it is most unfortunate we have moderator is peddling what IMHO is unmitigated filth.

===waiting 4 the bang ====

[supporttheunderdog]

Cyprus is a GREEK isle...

I happen to like Italy and Italian culture but that doesn’t make me hallucinate that Cyprus is an Italian island!

greek a in non turkish or british you prick. Stamata tes malakies sou re, hade na se dw.

GR is a useful idiot, he serves the Anglo's/Turks interests by saying Cyprus isn't Greek, if only he new this.

And whose interests do you serve by claiming that Cyprus is Greek if not Greece?

Now quit posting stupidities!

One of the few things I can probably agree with GR is that true Cypriots are neither Greek nor Turkish: There are many English speaking WASPS in the world in places Like the USA , Australi, Canda, New Zealand etc, whoh, can probbably show a bigger gentic link to Britain And The British, even England and the English than the G?C to Greece onf T/C to Turkey, but just as they may share Languge Religion and even gentics they do not conider themseles as British/English.

So iit should be with Cyprus, where , but for the post 74 influx, the T/C and G/C as some may describe themslves are rather more closely related to each other than they are to Greeks from modern day Greece and/or Turkey, and the Turkishness or Greekness is a myth.

I don't believe it is any of your concern on whether Cypriots are either Greek or Turkish! This obviously has little to do with genetics you racist!

What I have I said that denigrates any group, whether Greek, Cypriot or Turkish, what I have I said that is otherwise untrue or a matter of fair opinion? the GC are not even Greek Orthodox, but due to the Autoencephoulos nature of the Church are Cypriot Orthodox

[supporttheunderdog]

Something the Greek speaking Cypriots really must consider is whether they are Greek or Cypriot, and if they want an independant republic or Enosis, but while there is any doubt on the issue then I suspect no way will Turkey ever consider any serious re-unification plans
(and btw they probably do not have any urgent need to join ther EU sand other countries with other vested interests do tnot want her in so the Cypriot is probably of little real benefit as a bargaining chip) .

That is sad as Cyprus should be reunited as an independant republic where all Cypriots should have the free right to return to their homes they may hjve been forced to leave in the troubles since 1960

[supporttheunderdog]

And btw it was Big Mak himself who first described the Greek intervention into the internal affairs of the Republic in 1974 as an invasion. The Turks did not and will not accept Enosis and it was that event that finally gave Turkey the excuse it needed to invade and which lead to the continuing presence of their troops in Cyprus,and the tragedy for all Cypriots that went with it.

[Kikapu]

But those in the north who are into illegal trades like money laundering, human and drugs trafficking and so on will be happy to divide Cyprus formally and not become an EU member for obvious reasons. VP has indicated that he does not want the "trnc" to join the EU, as if the "trnc" had any chance to begin with. One wonders what is VP up to in the north to not want to be in the EU.??

Kikapu can you tell us anything about the money laundering antics in the south the scale and links with former Yugoslavian officials?

I'm sure it was big, but you are also talking about events taking place before Cyprus became an EU member.

I'm not a great supporter of the EU as I believe that originality and cultural differences enrich our lives people not standardization which the EU enforces whereby over time all the people will become officially assimilated and clone like. The EU is not this perfect entity you try to make out so that you can try to dangle it in front of the noses of TCs, there are plenty of countries who do very well and are not in the EU. Have you been to the GC government offices lately? they are the worst I have ever encountered, if that's the EU you can keep it.

Actually, each individual country retain their own identity as far as culture and traditions go, therefore the EU does not impose changes where individuals need to forgo their own culture to be assimilated to become an "EU culture", what ever you may think that is, I have no idea. EU's policies are to standardise policy makings that are practiced within the western societies to be more uniformed and standard where all EU members are on the same wavelength. This does not mean they have all lost their own country's identity.

Many countries in the Europe were doing well before becoming an EU member, but yet, they chose to become an EU member, because the benefits outweighed any negatives. Over the long period, I can see all the so called "Christian Countries" in Europe/Eastern Europe to be in the EU, including Russia, and even my newly adopted country, Switzerland, even though, with already so much Bi-lateral agreements that exists between CH-EU, we might as well be an EU member, just not formally yet... All these countries who are in the EU and all those who wants to and will be in the EU in the future, can't be all wrong, VP. And yes, I did visit some government offices in the RoC when I was there in 2007 and for the most part, they did seem to be a little chaotic, which goes to show, that each country does retain their own characteristics, no matter how chaotic they may be and the EU is not forcing anyone to do otherwise. The EU is only interested in carrying out the policies agreed on by all the EU members. How they achieve this, is on the individual countries to do it in the best way they know how.

As for dividing Cyprus if both sides have rights then that means TCs also have a say in how our future is shaped, if the alternatives put before us are not any better than what we have today then we to have the right to reject it like the GCs did when they were asked about the UN and EU supported solution. Do you realize this fact?

Each side cannot move forward as a unified country and one citizenship and yet retain the right to decide separately for their own future. This is not how things are done in a multi cultural societies. There needs to be one rule for everyone where that rule either benefits or harms everyone equally. In democratic countries, changes are made through public support through the ballot box and not by dividing the country into pieces. What everyone should expect from their country, is that it holds everyone accountable with a constitution that is based on Rule of Law, Equal Rights, Human Rights, International Laws, and in our case in Cyprus now, the EU Principles. These are the principles and boundaries that will secure every one's future. Once anyone who wants to go beyond those boundaries to make themself to be an special case and to seek a separate future for themselves, is when things stars to go wrong, mainly for those who wants to break away. You cannot ask more for yourself than the others within that country, other than special protection rights given to minority groups in certain situations, but if all citizens wants to be treated as equals, which I believe is what it is that you are asking for, and deservedly so, then you too will need to accept the good times and the bad times equally, as is the case in Switzerland among it's 4 main ethnic groups that make up the country.

[Paphitis]

Something the Greek speaking Cypriots really must consider is whether they are Greek or Cypriot, and if they want an independant republic or Enosis, but while there is any doubt on the issue then I suspect no way will Turkey ever consider any serious re-unification plans
(and btw they probably do not have any urgent need to join ther EU sand other countries with other vested interests do tnot want her in so the Cypriot is probably of little real benefit as a bargaining chip) .

That is sad as Cyprus should be reunited as an independant republic where all Cypriots should have the free right to return to their homes they may hjve been forced to leave in the troubles since 1960

Not so! There is a big distinction between Nationality and Ethnicity!

At the end of the day, the language, customs, religious freedoms and culture must be respected within the Cypriot Nation, but the nation rises above all else and represents everyone equally just like it is done in places like Switzerland and Australia!

The Nation and its self serving interests are non negotiable, and is above everything.

And the question you need to ask yourself is this. Are the TCs willing to forgo their ethnicity? The answer would be a resounding NO! The GCs will become Chinese before such a thing happens. But this should not get in the way of the Cypriot Nation!

[Paphitis]

And btw it was Big Mak himself who first described the Greek intervention into the internal affairs of the Republic in 1974 as an invasion. The Turks did not and will not accept Enosis and it was that event that finally gave Turkey the excuse it needed to invade and which lead to the continuing presence of their troops in Cyprus,and the tragedy for all Cypriots that went with it.

Big Mak was under a lot of pressure at the time, and his very life was at risk and as a result he wasn't quite thinking straight!

It was most certainly a meddling in Cypriot Affairs, but certainly not an invasion. The Greek Armed Forces are entitled to station 1,100 troops in Cyprus as this is enshrined in the RoC's constitution.

And events such as the Coup and the Turkish Invasion and occupation are reasons why WE can never accept any so called 'solution' with Guarantees from either Greece or Turkey.

We GCs have legitimate security concerns about this. I hope you understand!!!

[Paphitis]

I also think that ELAM is a racist / fascist organisation and it is most unfortunate we have moderator is peddling what IMHO is unmitigated filth.

===waiting 4 the bang ====

Most of us agree!

But this person is not a moderator, but a mere attention seeking idiot!

[Paphitis]

Cyprus is a GREEK isle...

I happen to like Italy and Italian culture but that doesn’t make me hallucinate that Cyprus is an Italian island!

greek a in non turkish or british you prick. Stamata tes malakies sou re, hade na se dw.

GR is a useful idiot, he serves the Anglo's/Turks interests by saying Cyprus isn't Greek, if only he new this.

And whose interests do you serve by claiming that Cyprus is Greek if not Greece?

Now quit posting stupidities!

One of the few things I can probably agree with GR is that true Cypriots are neither Greek nor Turkish: There are many English speaking WASPS in the world in places Like the USA , Australi, Canda, New Zealand etc, whoh, can probbably show a bigger gentic link to Britain And The British, even England and the English than the G?C to Greece onf T/C to Turkey, but just as they may share Languge Religion and even gentics they do not conider themseles as British/English.

So iit should be with Cyprus, where , but for the post 74 influx, the T/C and G/C as some may describe themslves are rather more closely related to each other than they are to Greeks from modern day Greece and/or Turkey, and the Turkishness or Greekness is a myth.

I don't believe it is any of your concern on whether Cypriots are either Greek or Turkish! This obviously has little to do with genetics you racist!

What I have I said that denigrates any group, whether Greek, Cypriot or Turkish, what I have I said that is otherwise untrue or a matter of fair opinion? the GC are not even Greek Orthodox, but due to the Autoencephoulos nature of the Church are Cypriot Orthodox

No, you have got this all wrong.

Yes, the church is Autocephalos, but all the sheep within are considered to be Greek Orthodox!

But more importantly, being a follower of this Church has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a CYPRIOT! I am an Atheist and consider myself to be a CYPRIOT above all else and the interests of CYPRUS ALWAYS come first!