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Postby Get Real! » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:08 pm

Afroasiatis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The illusion is all the fantastical nested hypotheticals you've conjured up while I’ve been giving you CREDIBLE FACTS.


The facts after some decades will be a North Cyprus with a population mostly originating from Turkish settlers, but born in Cyprus, and a South Cyprus with no refugees more alive and only a weak connection to anything in the North. Try to unify them using the UN resolutions you cited.

You don’t unify with Turks… you move them back to where they belong!

Turkey will have to REPATRIATE the lot!

The IV Geneva Convention of 1949 is very clear…

“The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b28 ... 1e004aa3c5

But for such things to happen, Cyprus would have to find herself in a favorable position while Turkey goes in the other direction and with the recent Turkish-Israeli debacle and Erdogan’s other suicidal external policies, the window for geopolitical change has truly opened at last…
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Postby B25 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:09 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Afro I reside in the TRNC and you are 100% right due to the attitude of both sides after the borders were opened revealed that partition is our only real option as neither side really wants BBF.


Well Afro, I rest my case. This is exactly what your posts do, puts ideas that we want a partition and be sure, your post will be used in future as ammunition by the tuks to try and secure this.

Why do you think we want to willingly want to give oour country. An given you don't live here, I think its wrong of you to even state such.

We will only agree to a solutions IF it suits us, not turkey. As I said before, if we sign it away we have lost it forever, at least this way there is always a hope that we may be able to liberate cyprus from the turks.

Wishful thinking? Perhaps, but I for one would rather live in hope than definately give up part of this country. Any self respecting GC should also be thinking that.

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15% of the North (including the peninsula) returned for agreed partition?


Flippin heck, thats a climb down for you, not that long ago, you didn't want to give up and inch. I think you proposal is insencere and not for you to make, Why doesn't you lead make the proposition officially???

Kiks plan was giving you that much for a BBF and you called him all the names under the sun, whats up now???


So with the right % even you can consider partition, proves my point 100%.


Thats bollocks, I knew what you were upto I could see straight through you Did I accept? NO! I just pointed out your usual BS and the idiot that you are. Proved nothing. twit.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:14 pm

Again with the right formula of land, financial payment and pressure the majority of GCs would accept.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:36 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Again with the right formula of land, financial payment and pressure the majority of GCs would accept.

Assumptions...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:58 am

Get Real! wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Afro I reside in the TRNC and you are 100% right due to the attitude of both sides after the borders were opened revealed that partition is our only real option as neither side really wants BBF.

Partition is not an option, annexation is not an option, independence is not an option, and eventually you too will come to realize that REPATRIATION is your ONLY option.


And eventually you might realise that KISSINGTHEHANDYOUCOULDNTBEND might be your ONLY option... :lol:
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Postby DTA » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:05 am

Bir it is too late for that, didn't a high ranking official of the gcs say when they planning for enosis that the key to the plan was to give the tcs everything they want then give them lokums as well. But the fascist thought they could do it by force and there attitude has not changed
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Postby Gregory » Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:24 pm

If there was no case for repatriation of settlers then why does the Turkish side include it in the chapters of the negotiation for the cyprus problem in each round of talks?
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Postby Afroasiatis » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:40 pm

Gregory wrote:If there was no case for repatriation of settlers then why does the Turkish side include it in the chapters of the negotiation for the cyprus problem in each round of talks?


If there is a solution soon, some of the settlers will be repatriated of course. But in a few decades from now, we'll be speaking about people who live here for some generations, who were born, raised and know nothing else than Cyprus. The settlers' issue won't be the same as today.
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Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:32 am

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supporttheunderdog wrote:Something the Greek speaking Cypriots really must consider is whether they are Greek or Cypriot, and if they want an independant republic or Enosis, but while there is any doubt on the issue then I suspect no way will Turkey ever consider any serious re-unification plans
(and btw they probably do not have any urgent need to join ther EU sand other countries with other vested interests do tnot want her in so the Cypriot is probably of little real benefit as a bargaining chip) .

That is sad as Cyprus should be reunited as an independant republic where all Cypriots should have the free right to return to their homes they may hjve been forced to leave in the troubles since 1960


Not so! There is a big distinction between Nationality and Ethnicity!

At the end of the day, the language, customs, religious freedoms and culture must be respected within the Cypriot Nation, but the nation rises above all else and represents everyone equally just like it is done in places like Switzerland and Australia!

The Nation and its self serving interests are non negotiable, and is above everything.

And the question you need to ask yourself is this. Are the TCs willing to forgo their ethnicity? The answer would be a resounding NO! The GCs will become Chinese before such a thing happens. But this should not get in the way of the Cypriot Nation!


I am not confusing ethnicity with nationality - the two are however easy to confise when the same labels apply. If I look at the island of my birth there are alt least four dstinct indigeonous ethnic groups speaking at least three, technically 4 distinoct languages. though two are very similar, as well as more recent immigrants with their own laqnguages, religions and culture, but with the same nationalty.

Nationality has however become confused with ethnicity in Cyprus with the demads for Enosis and Takism, which involve nationalistic rather than ethnic issues though the national;=istic elements are linked to particular perceptions of ethnicity.

I am not asking any one to give up their language, culture, religion, etc, but to review the nationalistic elements, which I think frankly are demeaning to Cyprus and its history, bearing in mind both Takism and Enosis result in an assimilation into other nationalties and with it the subordination of the history of Cyprus to that of Greece and/or Turkey.

Rather then the claim Cyprus is millenialy Greek or Cyprus has been Greek for 3500 years (which I suspect are relatively Modern inventions) why not say Cyprus has been Cypriot for 10000 years?

How many True Cypriots, and I liked your post on that, would disagree.

Perhaps if the big O' s comments have any validity ( and I think the internment suggestion is disgraceful, as in a democratic society one has to accept the right of people to hold different views) those promoting Enosis should also be locked up along with those promoting partition.
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Postby kurupetos » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:17 pm

Afroasiatis wrote:
Gregory wrote:If there was no case for repatriation of settlers then why does the Turkish side include it in the chapters of the negotiation for the cyprus problem in each round of talks?


If there is a solution soon, some of the settlers will be repatriated of course. But in a few decades from now, we'll be speaking about people who live here for some generations, who were born, raised and know nothing else than Cyprus. The settlers' issue won't be the same as today.


The solution will not be a product of negotiations, therefore don't assume anything. :wink:
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