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[ChomskyFan]

TURKEY IN THE EUROPEAN UNION: A LETHAL FAIT ACCOMPLI
by Srdja Trifkovic

"Turkey's European Union accession process has ceased to be an ambiguous process for the EU and has taken an irreversible direction," says Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Prime Minister of Turkey. The "post-Islamist" leader of his anything-but-post-Islamic country has ample reason to feel cocky: Some European leaders treat Turkey's EU membership as a fait accompli that should be supported if it cannot be resisted. Others are far more enthusiastic, and claim that Turkey's membership would be a blessing for the Old Continent.......

Full article at http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/www/N ... 02804.html

[ChomskyFan]

Erdogan is part of the 'Islamic Reform Party', an oxymoron if ever there was one. Didn't he try and sneak through a law making adultery punishable by death?

[brother]

It seems like an article written by a hate filled person who wants to ensure that anyone who reads it hates the turks imo.

[cannedmoose]

This guy is a well-reknowned islamophobe... here are some of his other beliefs...

He insists that the massacre of several thousand Muslims in Srebrenica was as a "stage-managed massacre" and "self-inflicted",[4], and a "long-debunked myth".

He also claims that the figure of 250,000 Bosnian Muslims dead in the entire conflict is actually as low as 2,500.

He has suggested that the Muslims in the UN safe havens, like Srebrenica, were actually using the havens "as armed camps and springboards for offensives against the Serbs".

He has also described the Sarajevo Breadline Massacre, where 22 people, apparently mostly Muslim, died while queueing for bread as a public relations "stunt".

He is also a proponent of the idea that Muslims are secretly trying to take over the world via mass immigration.

Oh, his illustrious CV includes working as representative of the Republika Srpska in London. In March 2003 he testified as an expert witness for the defence before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia in the trial of the Serbian politician Milomar Stakić, who was later sentenced to life imprisonment for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

[ChomskyFan]

This guy is a well-reknowned islamophobe... here are some of his other beliefs...

He insists that the massacre of several thousand Muslims in Srebrenica was as a "stage-managed massacre" and "self-inflicted",[4], and a "long-debunked myth".

He also claims that the figure of 250,000 Bosnian Muslims dead in the entire conflict is actually as low as 2,500.

He has suggested that the Muslims in the UN safe havens, like Srebrenica, were actually using the havens "as armed camps and springboards for offensives against the Serbs".

He has also described the Sarajevo Breadline Massacre, where 22 people, apparently mostly Muslim, died while queueing for bread as a public relations "stunt".

He is also a proponent of the idea that Muslims are secretly trying to take over the world via mass immigration.

Oh, his illustrious CV includes working as representative of the Republika Srpska in London. In March 2003 he testified as an expert witness for the defence before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia in the trial of the Serbian politician Milomar Stakić, who was later sentenced to life imprisonment for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Why do all you Americans and English hate the Serbs so much? Do you realize this battle went both ways? Have you heard about the Christmas Day Massacre - Have you heard about WHY the Serbian Army went in after 1989 into Kosovo:

http://kosovo99.tripod.com/pre1989,.htm

Ohh yes, Srebrenica was over-exagerrated, read this article, and if it's wrong, refute it:

http://kosovo99.tripod.com/srebreni.htm

"The assistance that Milosevich provided the Serbs of Croatia and Bosnia when Yugoslavia was breaking up must be understood in the context of what was in effect a civil war within Yugoslavia, where Serbs had justifiable reasons to fear a recrudescence of the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the 1940s by Croats and Bosnian Muslims, who massacred more than 600,000 Serbian non-combatants during World War II. Franjo Tudjman, the current president of Croatia, has resurrected the flag, other national symbols, and even the uniforms and arm bands of the Croatian fascists of World War II. He declared a few years ago that the Jewish Holocaust was a fabrication, and he destroyed all records of the notorious Croatian concentration camp at Jasenovac in Bosnia, where tens of thousand of Jews, Gypsies, and Serbs perished in the 1940s. In 1995, with the assistance of the CIA and American military advisers, he drove several hundred thousand Serbs from their ancestral homes in Croatia where they had lived since the fifteenth century. The U.S. cooperated in this act of ethnic cleansing. Alija Izetbegovich, the Muslim fundamentalist leader in Bosnia, helped organize the notorious Muslim Waffen SS "Handzar Division" during World War II. Officered by Germans, the division slaughtered thousands of Bosnian Serb civilians before going off to Russia to fight for the Nazis. When declaring Bosnia's independence from Yugoslavia, he obtained military assistance from Iran and brought in Muslim mujehadeen from the Middle East to fight on his behalf. Tudjman and Izetbegovich have been the U.S.'s friends in the Balkans."

The absolute pathological propaganda about the Serbian people, and it's regurgitation by Westerners is beginning to annoy me. People don't understand this conflict, they just think the Serbs are the 'bad guys' and the KLA and their belief in an 'ethnically pure Balkans' are the good guys, with their drug running, sex trafficking and other noble causes.

Moderators note: Comments about Muslims and Islam removed from this post. They are irrelevant to the topic at hand. Other comments in post remain, but the theme is Turkey, not Serbia.

A debate on the merits of Islam is not required and outside the boundaries of this forum.

[cmantas_liberal]

Erdogan is a much better politician rather than the Kemalist mafia of Ciler and Ecevit that left 1 million turks without job in 2000. He seems honest and good. He has a dodgy past as mayor of Istanbul who even tried to ban alcohol, while 10 years ago he was cursing EU but it seems that he changed his minds or at least...he PRETENDS so.

My view is that if he didnt have the pressure from the militants and the deep kemalist state he would make more changes even in the cypriot issue. Maybe a potential victory in the next elections vs The Republican party could work as a message towards the Militiheads and the Kemalists who are stealing the turks for 70 years and may help Tayip to get rid of the Generals.

[Turkey (( *]

Erdogan is a much better politician rather than the Kemalist mafia of Ciler and Ecevit that left 1 million turks without job in 2000. He seems honest and good. He has a dodgy past as mayor of Istanbul who even tried to ban alcohol, while 10 years ago he was cursing EU but it seems that he changed his minds or at least...he PRETENDS so.

My view is that if he didnt have the pressure from the militants and the deep kemalist state he would make more changes even in the cypriot issue. Maybe a potential victory in the next elections vs The Republican party could work as a message towards the Militiheads and the Kemalists who are stealing the turks for 70 years and may help Tayip to get rid of the Generals.

Yeah I know why you like him so much... He would sell Turkey and even destroy it totally if there was no army in the way, and of course anything that destroys Turkey is your friend, a good man and serves the world.Just shut up and keep dreaming!!!

[gabaston]

went to the link

scrolled down saw loads of words n no pictures but the date 1517 - then another for 1870 and thought is this about the eu. howabout berlin or Aushcwitz 1944?

"sod reading this"

[ChomskyFan]

went to the link

scrolled down saw loads of words n no pictures but the date 1517 - then another for 1870 and thought is this about the eu. howabout berlin or Aushcwitz 1944?

"sod reading this"

If Germany were proud of Auschwitz then comparison with present day Turkey would be justified.

[gabaston]

how do turks claim pride over something which they say never happened?

your logic is twisted, and leading.

a logic which only twisted people can follow.