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Why is this law not enforced ???

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Postby Jerry » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:54 pm

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The carpetbaggers on CY44 have discussed the problem of "Greeks" visiting GC land on several occasions. They always advise that the registration number of the vehicle be noted and the "police" informed. I certainly would not hang around my property in the north if I knew I was likely to be arrested. Having said that some of my cousins visited their house in Komi Kebir and were invited in for a drink by the TCs who lived their, I doubt a carpetbagger would be as hospitable.


They are usually very vague about this and often just 'speculating' that the people they saw were GCs visiting their property. More than half the new builds over there are empty. Some of the largest developments have less than 20 or so people actually living in them.

I've been over so many times in my RoC car and never ever been asked any questions by anyone living there that I wonder about this. The only time I got questioned about property was just after one of the Orams decisions. TC police asked me if I live there. I said no I am just visiting. They then asked me if I had a house there (I was going South to North). I said 'no I am just visiting'.

I've photographed a lot of the property that's been built there showing how it built up over the years, especially along the coast from Famagusta to the Karpaz, and I don't hide to do it. And I drive a bright yellow car lol!

I did once forget to stop at the crossing and had a soldier with a gun running alongside me shouting Oi! oi! oi! I'd been laughing with some pals, gone thro the first one and just kept going! We did all have to get out of the car and answer a few questions about what we were bringing into the South 9

I've tackled Hotel 'owners' whose brochures state that it has been run by their family there and in the UK since the year dot, pointing out to them that it is listed as a GC owned hotel. Ain't been arrested yet. And always welcome back there too.

I've been asked at the crossings where I stayed when they could see I'd been there for several nights. I freely give the name of the hotel. I've never had any negative comment from border personnel. The only thing one said to me once (bloke looked about 40ish) was that he'd never been over there so didn't have a clue where I was talking about really - we both laughed as it seemed daft for him to have asked me where I'd been in the first place!

They've helped me sort out whether NZ pals can come into Ercan from Turkey and travel South to stay with me. In fact it was the GC border bods who told me that the only place they might get a bit sticky about the rules was the SBA crossing - that if they went thro' Metehan they were highly unlikely to get pulled up on anything. His words were 'they turn a blind eye at Metehan'.

Must say I often think these workers have one of the most boring jobs in the world. Hardly ever any incidents. Just stood there all day and night. And all those young GC and TC soldiers standing either side of the line on the lookouts - guns at the ready for their counterparts should they do what I cannot imagine. For quite a length of no mans land, they just stand atop abandoned houses - not on lookout towers. And they all look so young.

Very sad.


I suggest that a British woman in an ROC registered car is seen as less of a threat than a Greek Cypriot man would be. For years before the Green line was opened I was told quite firmly by all the Cypriots I knew "you cannot go to the north" That was what they all believed, that was their perception of the north.
In 2003 I attended a Cyprus WW2 Veterans reunion with my father in Nicosia. I asked the Senior British UN officer present if I could visit the north with the UN. Much to my surprise he said "if you have a British Passport you can go, the TCs can't stop you". The next day I crossed at Ledra Hotel on foot. I asked the quite aggressive TC policeman where I could get a taxi. He walked round to the taxi rank with me and picked out one particular driver. He spoke to him quite firmly, I reckon he was telling him I was of GC descent so to keep an eye on me. I got on well with the driver, I bought him lunch in Bogazi and a beer in Famagusta but I did not ask him to stop outside my father's house because I believed it could lead to trouble. That was my perception at that time because of what I had been told. Having read your post perhaps some Greek Cypriots would be a little more relaxed about visiting their property in the north but I'm not sure I would.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:20 pm

miltiades wrote:
Gasman wrote:
And most purchasers are not hardened criminals, they are old age pensioners!

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WRONG!!!
Most are bird brained , single rusty cell brained ignorant mostly English old codgers who know nothing about Cyprus , in fact they know nothing about nothing since they spent their lives growing up watching ...Coronation Street , Eastenders and other highly ...sophisticated intellectual ...soaps.
All without exception are senile old fools !!



Ahem!!! :?
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:36 pm

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Gasman wrote:Some purchasers might be saying they had no idea it belonged to a GC blah blah. They'd have a job to say that if that GC was making it known loud and clear that XYZ property developers are building on HIS land and anyone who buys property there will be prosecuted.


It is not the responsibility of the land owner to chase down any potential illegal buyer of his land from an illegal seller of his land in the north that he is the legal owner. It is the responsibility of the potential buyer to do a property search at the Land Registry office in the RoC when purchasing any land anywhere in Cyprus to make sure the land bought/sold is legal. Considering 80% of the land in the north belongs to the GCs, potentially 80% of all land transactions in the north has the potential of being illegal.! Ignorance is no defence when it comes to breaking the law.


Fair comment Kikapu;but you have to bear in mind that the sellers and their representatives do not care for legality. They will say 'these ARE legal t**c documents and are legally binding.There were plenty gullible people aound to believe them. This in spite of Home Office advice.

Lets hope they have learnt their lesson and if I may add, not ALL were carpet-baggers.


Deniz,

Hence the reason why I refer to the north as being a "corrupted society", because such corruption was/is stemming from the top. !

Majority of those who bought/sold GC properties in the north were mainly by the TCs living in the UK, knowing full well they were buying/selling "hot properties" committing "Sins of Haram".! :evil:
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:47 pm

RichardB wrote:One day we'll meet in Cyprus and I'll drink you under the bloody table, you sheep shaggin pervert.

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Postby Gasman » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:02 pm

I will grant you I look nothing like a Greek Cypriot. But I've been over many times with friends who do look like them! Some of my relatives are half Italian and they'd pass for GCs easily - when they are here with me people think they are Cypriots.

I've probably taken 20 different people over with me in recent years. Never had any problems at all apart from having the car searched by the GCs when returning. And this has only been in the last year and always at Ay Nick all very simple at Metehan. As I've seen every inch from Famagusta to Karpaz several times now (and there ain't much to see up that coast), visits are usually via Nicosia and Metahan now, heading out to Kyrenia and beyond.

I went over in hired cars (yes you can hire cars in the S. and get permission to use them in the N. - I first did that about 6yrs ago - hire car company in the tourist area of Limassol) and also in my own car for years and never had it searched, nor got questioned. (Have actually decided it is better to buy SOMETHING and declare it, rather than tell them I've bought nothing - they don't seem to believe that.) Typical dialogue:

Have you bought anything over there?

*No.

Are you aware of what your allowances are?

*Yes (but as I've bought nothing I can't see the relevance of this)

No Cigarettes, Alcohol?

*No - nothing!

OK can you open the boot of your car.

They have a good look, and off I go.

Now despite all this, I have some good GC friends who are 30ish - intelligent, both in good jobs (he's a copper) and whenever I mention the North their response is the same - 'Why on earth would we want to go over there to get raped or shot'. I find this incredible. Especially as neither of them were born when the island was divided. And none of their parents have ever been over there either.

But have another friend, a GC man in his mid 70s, who drives over there himself quite regularly. Goes to see his old place, is friendly with the woman who lives in it. Says he couldn't care less about getting it back - he just wished he was allowed to buy a property over there because he prefers it there and feels 'regenerated' when he is there. He is from the Morphou region. He was not living in his property there in 1974. But he did live and grow up in it and he and his wife lived in it with his mother when they first got married.

He is selective about who he tells he is visiting the north. When I am at the checkpoints showing passport and car insurance I can tell you MOST OF THE OTHER PEOPLE in the queue are Greek Cypriots.

I can understand sadness and loss and bad memories. But leaving aside the exact area where people might have lived or owned property, I doubt many of them have seen the whole of that side of the island when they did live there. It just seems a shame that they don't acquaint themselves with it now.

There are some amazing and historical sights. But there is also MORE LITTER AND RUBBISH there than there is over here and that's saying something lol!

I'm surprised the Brits living there don't get out and pick more of it up.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:06 pm

Gasman wrote:I will grant you I look nothing like a Greek Cypriot.

Well there you go! That’s your problem right there! :lol:
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Postby Gasman » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:10 pm

Oh and I meant to add not EVERY Brit living in the North is what you'd class as a 'carpetbagger' living on stolen land. There are some ancient Brits who've been there 'forever'. Some whose husbands were in the military (most now dead) proper old colonial types with their bridge clubs etc.

But from what I see, most Brits living there moved there much more recently and are mostly living in new build developments - what I call ex pat brit enclaves (and I'd rather stick a needle in my eye than live in a place like that).

And there are Brits living over there who've NEVER been to the RoC, not even for holidays. They went there straight from the UK and haven't ever left.

I'd say the majority of Brit 'owners' don't live there anyway. They use the properties for holiday homes. I can't see it being any great loss to those if they were to lose them. For what they paid for them, they've had their money's worth in holidays by now!

You'd expect to have to pay more for a half decent car or small boat than what some of these properties cost.
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Postby Jerry » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:12 pm

Gasman wrote:
I'm surprised the Brits living there don't get out and pick more of it up.


They are too busy tipping Efes down their necks, polishing their gold medallions, improving their looks with facial metal and studying tattoo catalogues. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Gasman » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:12 pm

Gasman wrote:
I will grant you I look nothing like a Greek Cypriot.

GR wrote:
Well there you go! That’s your problem right there! Laughing


I VERY grudgingly admit that did make me laugh! However I don't actually have any problems GR! But I do love to laugh so thanks for that!
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:59 am

Kikapu wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Gasman wrote:Some purchasers might be saying they had no idea it belonged to a GC blah blah. They'd have a job to say that if that GC was making it known loud and clear that XYZ property developers are building on HIS land and anyone who buys property there will be prosecuted.


It is not the responsibility of the land owner to chase down any potential illegal buyer of his land from an illegal seller of his land in the north that he is the legal owner. It is the responsibility of the potential buyer to do a property search at the Land Registry office in the RoC when purchasing any land anywhere in Cyprus to make sure the land bought/sold is legal. Considering 80% of the land in the north belongs to the GCs, potentially 80% of all land transactions in the north has the potential of being illegal.! Ignorance is no defence when it comes to breaking the law.


Fair comment Kikapu;but you have to bear in mind that the sellers and their representatives do not care for legality. They will say 'these ARE legal t**c documents and are legally binding.There were plenty gullible people aound to believe them. This in spite of Home Office advice.

Lets hope they have learnt their lesson and if I may add, not ALL were carpet-baggers.


Deniz,

Hence the reason why I refer to the north as being a "corrupted society", because such corruption was/is stemming from the top. !

Majority of those who bought/sold GC properties in the north were mainly by the TCs living in the UK, knowing full well they were buying/selling "hot properties" committing "Sins of Haram".! :evil:


Agreed on the corruption issue. The TMT leaders came to London giving away GC land to any who would promise to return or buy them a kebab. I was told to go to a cetain person and he would guarantee me any land I wanted..as if...It was shameful, but they did not know shame. They all prostituted themselves.
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