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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:53 pm

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Have you stopped and considered why all attempts to remove the Turkish Troops failed in 37 years?? I keep telling you the answer,but you refuse to see...Because you are in denial of our past bloody history and your (GC) role,and you have shown no understanding or empathy or compassion to win the TCs over in all these years,to gain their trust


This is nonsense. Your own rulers have acknowledged that if NO T/C EXISTED IN CYPRUS, Turkey would still want to occupy the island. The T/Cs are nothing but a pretext for occupation not its cause. Do you seriously believe that Turkey is in Cyprus for the welfare of The T/Cs?

Your logic is completely twisted. You demand empathy for T/Cs plight over the last 37 years when they have done nothing but exploit and abuse our property and land with relish while actively collaborating with the occupation forces to ratify the partition of the island.

The reason Turkish troops are in the island for 37 years has nothing to do with the fact that we haven't shown enough sympathy for T/Cs. It is not T/Cs who are the occupying power but Turkey. I suppose you want us to apologise to the Turkish army as well for bringing them to Cyprus and keeping them away from their loved ones? That we should apologise to Turkey's leaders for not allowing them to get away with the plunder of our island?

You are an incorrigible propogandist for Turkey's worthless and stupid cause in Cyprus. Your whole raison d'etre is to justify the barabarism and looting of the occupation by accusing the Greek Cypriots as not only being the cause of it but deserving of its consequences. It is a disgusting and perverse argument you should be ashamed of.


Pray tell me,what is Turkey's "worthless and stupid cause" in Cyprus...?

Time for you to come to your senses. Without the TCs there would have been no ROC Constitution and no Treaty of Guarantee...
Without the Treaty of Guarantee there would never have been an armed operation by Turkey.Without the TCs Cyprus today would have been a Greek island...You owe the existance of the ROC to the presence of the TCs in Cyprus...Time to take your hat in your hands,and reconsider how you have been treating the people who stopped you from committing political and cultural suicide...If anybody is to be ashamed it is you,for belonging to a community who wanted to gift your homeland to a foreign power...You come from a long line of traitors,and you have no moral right to point your finger to anyone... :twisted:


Without the TC's Davutoglou states quite clearly that Turkey would have a foothold on this island anyway. Its a funny state of affairs when you're a community that does not matter to Turkey, Cyprus, the EU or the world.


But we matter very much to the GCs...Without us they would not have a home called Cyprus...It would be some province of Greece...And without us Turkey would never have the opportunity to conduct her "peace operation"... :wink:
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Postby Hermes » Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:29 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:Time to take your hat in your hands,and reconsider how you have been treating the people who stopped you from committing political and cultural suicide...If anybody is to be ashamed it is you,for belonging to a community who wanted to gift your homeland to a foreign power...You come from a long line of traitors,and you have no moral right to point your finger to anyone... :twisted:


Make up your mind. At first you claim that Turkey invaded Cyprus to "protect" the T/Cs. When Turkish politicians say that they would be in Cyprus even if there were no Turkish Cypriots on the island, you then say it was Greek Cypriots' demand for union with Greece that was the cause of the invasion. Even though it has been pointed out to you a thousand times that there was virtually no Greek Cypriot support for Enosis in 1974. What you cannot accept is that Turkey had no justification for invading Cyprus. No legal, moral or ethical cause.

Because you cannot accept Turkey's barbarian invasion was unjustified you thrash about and come up with paranoid fantasies to blame the Greek Cypriots as being somehow responsible for the looting and plunder of their own country. A plunder that the T/Cs are morally implicated in. It is beneath contempt that in defiance of international and moral law you are propagating such brutish and vulgar filth.
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Postby lovernomore » Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:43 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote:Time to take your hat in your hands,and reconsider how you have been treating the people who stopped you from committing political and cultural suicide...If anybody is to be ashamed it is you,for belonging to a community who wanted to gift your homeland to a foreign power...You come from a long line of traitors,and you have no moral right to point your finger to anyone... :twisted:


Make up your mind. At first you claim that Turkey invaded Cyprus to "protect" the T/Cs. When Turkish politicians say that they would be in Cyprus even if there were no Turkish Cypriots on the island, you then say it was Greek Cypriots' demand for union with Greece that was the cause of the invasion. Even though it has been pointed out to you a thousand times that there was virtually no Greek Cypriot support for Enosis in 1974. What you cannot accept is that Turkey had no justification for invading Cyprus. No legal, moral or ethical cause.

Because you cannot accept Turkey's barbarian invasion was unjustified you thrash about and come up with paranoid fantasies to blame the Greek Cypriots as being somehow responsible for the looting and plunder of their own country. A plunder that the T/Cs are morally implicated in. It is beneath contempt that in defiance of international and moral law you are propagating such brutish and vulgar filth.


I can tell you are a young person, a brainwashed young person. If Turkwy had not intervened there would be not a single TC for you to exchange posts with. Sampson would have made sure of that.

I cant personally blame you for your ignorance on the subject, it is your teachers and your churches that I hold responsible.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:03 pm

EU Urges Turkey to Normalize Relations With Cyprus
Nathan Morley | Nicosia 10 November 2010



Turkey's President says Nation Belongs in Europe

In its annual progress report on countries aspiring to join the bloc, the European Union chided Ankara for failing - for another year - to normalize relations with E.U. member Cyprus.

The European Union said Turkey must normalize relations with Cyprus if it is to realize its ambition to join the powerful bloc. Turkey still refuses to open ports and airports to Greek Cypriot air and sea traffic, or officially recognize the Republic of Cyprus.

E.U. Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Füle made his comments as he presented the first E.U. enlargement package of the current commission.

"Turkey has continued its particular reform process in particular the reform of its constitution," said Füle. "But no one can be satisfied with the current pace of negotiations and let me quote, 'it is now urgent that Turkey fulfills its obligation of full non-discriminatory implementation of the additional protocol to the association agreement an makes progress toward normalization of bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus'."
[...]
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/eur ... 43809.html
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:58 pm

Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Time to take your hat in your hands,and reconsider how you have been treating the people who stopped you from committing political and cultural suicide...If anybody is to be ashamed it is you,for belonging to a community who wanted to gift your homeland to a foreign power...You come from a long line of traitors,and you have no moral right to point your finger to anyone... :twisted:


Make up your mind. At first you claim that Turkey invaded Cyprus to "protect" the T/Cs. When Turkish politicians say that they would be in Cyprus even if there were no Turkish Cypriots on the island, you then say it was Greek Cypriots' demand for union with Greece that was the cause of the invasion. Even though it has been pointed out to you a thousand times that there was virtually no Greek Cypriot support for Enosis in 1974. What you cannot accept is that Turkey had no justification for invading Cyprus. No legal, moral or ethical cause.

Because you cannot accept Turkey's barbarian invasion was unjustified you thrash about and come up with paranoid fantasies to blame the Greek Cypriots as being somehow responsible for the looting and plunder of their own country. A plunder that the T/Cs are morally implicated in. It is beneath contempt that in defiance of international and moral law you are propagating such brutish and vulgar filth.


So are you saying Cyprus was a holiday camp for TCs during 1963-1974?
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Postby Oracle » Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:21 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:Time to take your hat in your hands,and reconsider how you have been treating the people who stopped you from committing political and cultural suicide...If anybody is to be ashamed it is you,for belonging to a community who wanted to gift your homeland to a foreign power...You come from a long line of traitors,and you have no moral right to point your finger to anyone... :twisted:


Make up your mind. At first you claim that Turkey invaded Cyprus to "protect" the T/Cs. When Turkish politicians say that they would be in Cyprus even if there were no Turkish Cypriots on the island, you then say it was Greek Cypriots' demand for union with Greece that was the cause of the invasion. Even though it has been pointed out to you a thousand times that there was virtually no Greek Cypriot support for Enosis in 1974. What you cannot accept is that Turkey had no justification for invading Cyprus. No legal, moral or ethical cause.

Because you cannot accept Turkey's barbarian invasion was unjustified you thrash about and come up with paranoid fantasies to blame the Greek Cypriots as being somehow responsible for the looting and plunder of their own country. A plunder that the T/Cs are morally implicated in. It is beneath contempt that in defiance of international and moral law you are propagating such brutish and vulgar filth.


So are you saying Cyprus was a holiday camp for TCs during 1963-1974?


Lots of holiday camps in Turkey. Go there! :D
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Postby All4114All » Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:38 am

Oracle wrote:EU Urges Turkey to Normalize Relations With Cyprus
Nathan Morley | Nicosia 10 November 2010



Turkey's President says Nation Belongs in Europe

In its annual progress report on countries aspiring to join the bloc, the European Union chided Ankara for failing - for another year - to normalize relations with E.U. member Cyprus.

The European Union said Turkey must normalize relations with Cyprus if it is to realize its ambition to join the powerful bloc. Turkey still refuses to open ports and airports to Greek Cypriot air and sea traffic, or officially recognize the Republic of Cyprus.

E.U. Enlargement Commissioner Stefan Füle made his comments as he presented the first E.U. enlargement package of the current commission.

"Turkey has continued its particular reform process in particular the reform of its constitution," said Füle. "But no one can be satisfied with the current pace of negotiations and let me quote, 'it is now urgent that Turkey fulfills its obligation of full non-discriminatory implementation of the additional protocol to the association agreement an makes progress toward normalization of bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus'."
[...]
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/eur ... 43809.html


I'm not sure who is more desperate at the moment. There seems to be more EU news articles throwing blame on Turkey that it can't get in the EU because of chapters and Cyprus issues than there is Turkey in desperate need for the EU entry as we speak.
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Postby All4114All » Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:52 am

Gregory wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Hermes wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Have you stopped and considered why all attempts to remove the Turkish Troops failed in 37 years?? I keep telling you the answer,but you refuse to see...Because you are in denial of our past bloody history and your (GC) role,and you have shown no understanding or empathy or compassion to win the TCs over in all these years,to gain their trust


This is nonsense. Your own rulers have acknowledged that if NO T/C EXISTED IN CYPRUS, Turkey would still want to occupy the island. The T/Cs are nothing but a pretext for occupation not its cause. Do you seriously believe that Turkey is in Cyprus for the welfare of The T/Cs?

Your logic is completely twisted. You demand empathy for T/Cs plight over the last 37 years when they have done nothing but exploit and abuse our property and land with relish while actively collaborating with the occupation forces to ratify the partition of the island.

The reason Turkish troops are in the island for 37 years has nothing to do with the fact that we haven't shown enough sympathy for T/Cs. It is not T/Cs who are the occupying power but Turkey. I suppose you want us to apologise to the Turkish army as well for bringing them to Cyprus and keeping them away from their loved ones? That we should apologise to Turkey's leaders for not allowing them to get away with the plunder of our island?

You are an incorrigible propogandist for Turkey's worthless and stupid cause in Cyprus. Your whole raison d'etre is to justify the barabarism and looting of the occupation by accusing the Greek Cypriots as not only being the cause of it but deserving of its consequences. It is a disgusting and perverse argument you should be ashamed of.


Pray tell me,what is Turkey's "worthless and stupid cause" in Cyprus...?

Time for you to come to your senses. Without the TCs there would have been no ROC Constitution and no Treaty of Guarantee...
Without the Treaty of Guarantee there would never have been an armed operation by Turkey.Without the TCs Cyprus today would have been a Greek island...You owe the existance of the ROC to the presence of the TCs in Cyprus...Time to take your hat in your hands,and reconsider how you have been treating the people who stopped you from committing political and cultural suicide...If anybody is to be ashamed it is you,for belonging to a community who wanted to gift your homeland to a foreign power...You come from a long line of traitors,and you have no moral right to point your finger to anyone... :twisted:


Without the TC's Davutoglou states quite clearly that Turkey would have a foothold on this island anyway. Its a funny state of affairs when you're a community that does not matter to Turkey, Cyprus, the EU or the world.


Without Turkey
Nikos Sampson states quite clearly
According to the Greek daily newspaper Eleftherotipia, which interviewed him on February 26, 1981, he said, “Had Turkey not intervened, I would not only have proclaimed Enosis, I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus as well.”
It's a funny state of affairs when you're a community that does not remember the past for us to move on.
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Postby SKI-preo » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:11 am

So what? You have eliminated yourselves now. There are about 50,000 to 70,000 Turkish Cypriots left. You could fit them in 5 apartment buildings, give the Greek Cypriots their land and there you go. Solution- build sky scrapers for those who don't own property.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:12 am

All4114All wrote:Without Turkey
Nikos Sampson states quite clearly
According to the Greek daily newspaper Eleftherotipia, which interviewed him on February 26, 1981, he said, “Had Turkey not intervened, I would not only have proclaimed Enosis, I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus as well.”
It's a funny state of affairs when you're a community that does not remember the past for us to move on.

It’s even funnier when you go on and on about ONE MAN’S alleged claims to excuse your very real HORRENDOUS CRIMES of 1974!
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