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[Get Real!]

As a Brit I am absolultely appalled by the stance of some Brit politicians, eg Jack Straw, on the Cyprus Problem: the one thing I can agree with with some posters is that Turkey should (a) implement the Ankara Protiocol (b) remove its troops from the North of the Island (taking the Anatolian settler, s with themand (c) should faciltate a settlement which should, with only limited exceptions, allow the free return of all Cypriots (both so called GC and so called TC) to properties they were forced from in the various intercommunal troubles in the 1960's and the Invasion in in 1974.

You forgot the punchline...

[Hermes]

Here is another article from a source you might find more reliable:

Jack Straw has been in action today, in the Times and on Today, making the case for action to advance Turkey’s membership of the EU, ahead of tomorrow’s visit by Turkish president Abdullah Gul. The former foreign secretary says the issue is the most important strategic decision facing Europe, and goes on to blame Greek Cyprus and the French for a long-running campaign of sabotage that is holding up the accession process. He calls the president of Greek Cyprus ‘duplicitous’ and accuses the EU of treating Turkey – remember, an outstanding Nato ally in the Cold War – unfairly relative to other recently joined member states. What caught my eye, though, in his oped for the Times was this confessional paragraph:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/bened ... on-turkey/

So Jack Straw is prepared to partition Cyprus in order to facilitate Turkey's EU entry? Where have I heard that one before? Oh yes. Straw was the British Foreign Secretary during the attempt to foist the Annan Plan upon Cyprus. How dare the Greek Cypriots tell him to stick his plan where the sun doesn't shine? Wasn't he once snubbed by Papadopoulos? And now he wants a forced partition - as opposed to the legal partition of the Annan Plan. Never mind about international law or human rights. Some things never change - especially the mendacity and self-serving hypocrisy of the British colonial mentality

[BirKibrisli]

As a Brit I am absolultely appalled by the stance of some Brit politicians, eg Jack Straw, on the Cyprus Problem: the one thing I can agree with with some posters is that Turkey should (a) implement the Ankara Protiocol (b) remove its troops from the North of the Island (taking the Anatolian settler, s with themand (c) should faciltate a settlement which should, with only limited exceptions, allow the free return of all Cypriots (both so called GC and so called TC) to properties they were forced from in the various intercommunal troubles in the 1960's and the Invasion in in 1974.

So called GCs and TCs???
What gives you the right or authority to decide which Cypriots are "so called"??? You are out of order,my friend... You ought to apologise at once!

[BirKibrisli]

Here is another article from a source you might find more reliable:

Jack Straw has been in action today, in the Times and on Today, making the case for action to advance Turkey’s membership of the EU, ahead of tomorrow’s visit by Turkish president Abdullah Gul. The former foreign secretary says the issue is the most important strategic decision facing Europe, and goes on to blame Greek Cyprus and the French for a long-running campaign of sabotage that is holding up the accession process. He calls the president of Greek Cyprus ‘duplicitous’ and accuses the EU of treating Turkey – remember, an outstanding Nato ally in the Cold War – unfairly relative to other recently joined member states. What caught my eye, though, in his oped for the Times was this confessional paragraph:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/bened ... on-turkey/

So Jack Straw is prepared to partition Cyprus in order to facilitate Turkey's EU entry? Where have I heard that one before? Oh yes. Straw was the British Foreign Secretary during the attempt to foist the Annan Plan upon Cyprus. How dare the Greek Cypriots tell him to stick his plan where the sun doesn't shine? Wasn't he once snubbed by Papadopoulos? And now he wants a forced partition - as opposed to the legal partition of the Annan Plan. Never mind about international law or human rights. Some things never change - especially the mendacity and self-serving hypocrisy of the British colonial mentality

Perhaps he is trying to put sense in our heads...Big global powers have had enough of our stubborn and bloody minded refusal to agree on any sensible proposal....They want a realistic solution,and they want it now...Else they will correct the mistake they made by allowing Cyprus into the EU while our problem remained unsolved...Rings any bells???

[Hermes]

Perhaps he is trying to put sense in our heads...Big global powers have had enough of our stubborn and bloody minded refusal to agree on any sensible proposal....They want a realistic solution,and they want it now...Else they will correct the mistake they made by allowing Cyprus into the EU while our problem remained unsolved...Rings any bells???

Jack Straw is a backbench opposition MP and is all but irrelevant in regards to the Cyprus issue. He is still bitter about the Greek Cypriot rejection of the Annan Plan - a plan he clearly hoped would facilitate Turkish entry into the EU without the threat of a Cypriot veto. It never happened thanks to David Hannay's incompetence.

As for a "realistic solution" the lesson of the Annan Plan is that any solution has to take into consideration Greek Cypriot aspirations. Time has moved on since 2004 and the idea of imposing a plan on Cyprus by the "big powers" as you call them, is over, no matter what bitter and insignificant fools like Jack Straw think.

[BirKibrisli]

Perhaps he is trying to put sense in our heads...Big global powers have had enough of our stubborn and bloody minded refusal to agree on any sensible proposal....They want a realistic solution,and they want it now...Else they will correct the mistake they made by allowing Cyprus into the EU while our problem remained unsolved...Rings any bells???

Jack Straw is a backbench opposition MP and is all but irrelevant in regards to the Cyprus issue. He is still bitter about the Greek Cypriot rejection of the Annan Plan - a plan he clearly hoped would facilitate Turkish entry into the EU without the threat of a Cypriot veto. It never happened thanks to David Hannay's incompetence.

As for a "realistic solution" the lesson of the Annan Plan is that any solution has to take into consideration Greek Cypriot aspirations. Time has moved on since 2004 and the idea of imposing a plan on Cyprus by the "big powers" as you call them, is over, no matter what bitter and insignificant fools like Jack Straw think.

Yeah,I forgot...Greek Cypriot aspirations and ONLY GC aspirations have to be taken into consideration...Thanks for reminding us why we are no nearer to a solution after 36 years...

[Hermes]

Perhaps he is trying to put sense in our heads...Big global powers have had enough of our stubborn and bloody minded refusal to agree on any sensible proposal....They want a realistic solution,and they want it now...Else they will correct the mistake they made by allowing Cyprus into the EU while our problem remained unsolved...Rings any bells???

Jack Straw is a backbench opposition MP and is all but irrelevant in regards to the Cyprus issue. He is still bitter about the Greek Cypriot rejection of the Annan Plan - a plan he clearly hoped would facilitate Turkish entry into the EU without the threat of a Cypriot veto. It never happened thanks to David Hannay's incompetence.

As for a "realistic solution" the lesson of the Annan Plan is that any solution has to take into consideration Greek Cypriot aspirations. Time has moved on since 2004 and the idea of imposing a plan on Cyprus by the "big powers" as you call them, is over, no matter what bitter and insignificant fools like Jack Straw think.

Yeah,I forgot...Greek Cypriot aspirations and ONLY GC aspirations have to be taken into consideration...Thanks for reminding us why we are no nearer to a solution after 36 years...

Did I say ONLY Greek Cypriot aspirations? You are so bloody determined to see yourself as a victim that you make up stuff to reinforce your paranoia. Clearly the Annan Plan failed because it met only Turkish aspirations. Any fool would know that a future solution has to address those Greek Cypriot concerns which the Annan Plan so miserably failed to (especially as GCs make up 80 per cent of the population). Turkey has shown absolutely no willingness to move on the core issues which is why we are where we are now. Now go and lie down and stop being such a wuss.

[BirKibrisli]

Perhaps he is trying to put sense in our heads...Big global powers have had enough of our stubborn and bloody minded refusal to agree on any sensible proposal....They want a realistic solution,and they want it now...Else they will correct the mistake they made by allowing Cyprus into the EU while our problem remained unsolved...Rings any bells???

Jack Straw is a backbench opposition MP and is all but irrelevant in regards to the Cyprus issue. He is still bitter about the Greek Cypriot rejection of the Annan Plan - a plan he clearly hoped would facilitate Turkish entry into the EU without the threat of a Cypriot veto. It never happened thanks to David Hannay's incompetence.

As for a "realistic solution" the lesson of the Annan Plan is that any solution has to take into consideration Greek Cypriot aspirations. Time has moved on since 2004 and the idea of imposing a plan on Cyprus by the "big powers" as you call them, is over, no matter what bitter and insignificant fools like Jack Straw think.

Yeah,I forgot...Greek Cypriot aspirations and ONLY GC aspirations have to be taken into consideration...Thanks for reminding us why we are no nearer to a solution after 36 years...

Did I say ONLY Greek Cypriot aspirations? You are so bloody determined to see yourself as a victim that you make up stuff to reinforce your paranoia. Clearly the Annan Plan failed because it met only Turkish aspirations. Any fool would know that a future solution has to address those Greek Cypriot concerns which the Annan Plan so miserably failed to (especially as GCs make up 80 per cent of the population). Turkey has shown absolutely no willingness to move on the core issues which is why we are where we are now. Now go and lie down and stop being such a wuss.

Can you enlighten me,Hermes??? What stuff do I make up to reinforce my "paranoia"????

[Hermes]

Can you enlighten me,Hermes??? What stuff do I make up to reinforce my "paranoia"????

BirKibrisli,

I was referring to the fact that you inserted the word "ONLY" into my comment when you quoted me. I did not say ONLY Greek Cypriot aspirations - you inferred that is what I meant. Why are Greek Cypriot concerns about our human rights seen by you as an attack on Turkish Cypriots? It's as if all you concern yourselves with is your rights at our expense: your right to carry on living under the Turkish jackboot, your right to deprive us of our land and property and your right to restrict us from moving and living freely around the island.

Do you know how absurd it is to hear you endlessly whine about your rights when what you really mean is to deprive us of our rights? Think about how an unjust and unworkable solution like the Annan Plan would've poisoned the relations between the two communities and how 80 per cent of the population would resent you for it. Turkey would've been happy but on the ground it would've been a recipe for chaos and strife. Thank God we had the foresight that it never came to that. It's in your interests to have a solution that would meet our aspirations for a truly unified state. Not Turkey's aspirations for a formal partition.

So when we express what we want it's time you listened because G/Cs have legal and sovereign rights which are now formalised by EU membership which we are not prepared to give up. These rights are for all Cypriots in case you've forgotten.