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[All4114All]

Cyprus will convince Israel to mend their ways?

Oh that's really funny!

Mind you - you never know - after all the forum Oracle did proclaim that now Cyprus is in the EU Cyprus is the 'darling of the new world order' lol!

And the world has to sit up and LISTEN to Cyprus now!

Priceless!

Did you know that Israel and Greece have signed an agreement which will allow the IAF to base combat aircraft in Greece and train with the HAF within the Athens, and Nicosia FIR!

Did you also know, that Israel and Greece have signed an agreement which will allow Greece to base combat aircraft, possibly F-16 Block 50/52s at Haifa?

And yes, Greece and Cyprus have much influence on Netanyahu at the moment, as it seems that both nations are moving forward and developing an EXTREMELY close military alliance. It is important to note, that Israel has NEVER agreed to base foreign combat aircraft on its own turf before!!!

So where does this leave Greece, Well, it gives Greece the opportunity to protect its own interest in the East Mediterranean. The F-16s combat radius posed a problem without air to air refuelling, but if Greece decides to base F-16s in Israel, then his changes things a great deal.

Of course it is none of your concern. You are not a citizen and look for every opportunity to criticize Cyprus and support the occupation.This makes you an enemy of the State! There are Cypriot Citizens all over the world, and each and every one of them has a say about their nation's internal affairs!

I think I made this clear about Israel's actions against Golan Heights, Gaza, Eygpt, Jordan, Syria, West Bank and Lebenon. There might be a so called occupation here on one territorial island but your country has 7 occupations running at the same time. Great country I say to all my citizens of Cyprus to help us come to a solution. NOT. Deal with your occupation before you criticize our occupation. BTW I am a citizen .

You need to read my post again! I said that Cyprus is now well placed to be a positive influence. I never stated for one second that Cyprus or Greece will change Israeli policies overnight. The Israelis will listen to whatever Greece or Cyprus have to say, as they listen to the US and a few other countries!

Hahaha stop it man you are killing me with laughter.

Alllies support each other with advice and constructive criticism all the time, and Cyprus is more than willing to help Israel out as they are more than willing to help us out with the demarcation of the Cypriot/Israeli EEZ and the exploitation of Oil and Gas resources!

Well I never denied what Cyprus or Israel can do together to work out a partnership in trade. My concerns and debate were for political ties to get involved and military ties with Cyprus as I stated earlier if Cyprus and Israel want to start import and export great for the economy.

It is little wonder that Turkey is very concerned!

In your first post all I heard was - base, military and F-16 = not good news.

[Get Real!]

I can’t believe this Israel-Cyprus fantasy thing is still going on this forum!

What a waste of posts!

[Paphitis]

I think I made this clear about Israel's actions against Golan Heights, Gaza, Eygpt, Jordan, Syria, West Bank and Lebenon. There might be a so called occupation here on one territorial island but your country has 7 occupations running at the same time. Great country I say to all my citizens of Cyprus to help us come to a solution. NOT. Deal with your occupation before you criticize our occupation. BTW I am a citizen .

What the fuck are you talking about All4fuckAll!

Cyprus does not occupy any lands illegally. In case you've forgotten, Cyprus IS under illegal occupation!

You need to read my post again! I said that Cyprus is now well placed to be a positive influence. I never stated for one second that Cyprus or Greece will change Israeli policies overnight. The Israelis will listen to whatever Greece or Cyprus have to say, as they listen to the US and a few other countries!

Hahaha stop it man you are killing me with laughter.

The RoC's foreign relations are no laughing matter and Cyprus and Israel are developing important cultural and military ties and are even building UAVs together!

Alllies support each other with advice and constructive criticism all the time, and Cyprus is more than willing to help Israel out as they are more than willing to help us out with the demarcation of the Cypriot/Israeli EEZ and the exploitation of Oil and Gas resources!

Well I never denied what Cyprus or Israel can do together to work out a partnership in trade. My concerns and debate were for political ties to get involved and military ties with Cyprus as I stated earlier if Cyprus and Israel want to start import and export great for the economy.

Sorry All4fuckAll, but Cyprus is under occupation and Israel is a very good friend to have because we might need them to keep Turkey in check!

It is little wonder that Turkey is very concerned!

In your first post all I heard was - base, military and F-16 = not good news.

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I think it's great. Now Greece can also boast that its F-16s are within 7 minutes flight time of Cyprus! Why are you so concerned?

[Afroasiatis]

What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!

I don't think there are much chances for this. Turkey is a vital part of the western alliance for the Westerners to let it go. Probably most of them are encouraging Turkey to come closer to other muslim countries and play some kind of a leading role in a so-called "Muslim world". And this includes better relationships with Iran and worst relationships with Israel.

Many Westerners probably think of Turkey as a controllable country, so they can use its new influence in the Middle East for their own purposes of controlling that region. This perhaps explains partly the western sympathies for Erdogan and AKP. But I guess there isn't an agreement among the Westerners on this.

[Get Real!]

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[Kikapu]

What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!

I don't think there are much chances for this. Turkey is a vital part of the western alliance for the Westerners to let it go. Probably most of them are encouraging Turkey to come closer to other muslim countries and play some kind of a leading role in a so-called "Muslim world". And this includes better relationships with Iran and worst relationships with Israel.

Many Westerners probably think of Turkey as a controllable country, so they can use its new influence in the Middle East for their own purposes of controlling that region. This perhaps explains partly the western sympathies for Erdogan and AKP. But I guess there isn't an agreement among the Westerners on this.

Everything has a certain amount of "shelf life" to it's usefulness for the purpose it supposed to be used for. Once it become outdated or date due expires, then it no longer has any use for anyone, then comes the time to discard the old and bring in the new.!

It seem like I'm not the only one asking the question of Turkey's role (or not) in NATO.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... z14av6L1b1

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-to-iran/

[Nikitas]

When you see the maps of the eastern Med as Davutoglu is dreaming it then you realise that this is not going to fly. He has the whole of the Balkans, Egypt and the whole of the Middle East as "Turkey's sphere of influence".

Obviously he has not bothered to ask 100 million Egyptians if they want to be in his "sphere of influence" let alone the others. Such plans tend to make you unpopular really fast. More thatn that, such plans also tend to win antagonists who are way more powerful and capable than Turkey. The Shah of Iran in the 70s had similar visions of grandeur and that put Iran back in the Middle Ages in one fell swoop.

[shahmaran]

What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!

I don't think there are much chances for this. Turkey is a vital part of the western alliance for the Westerners to let it go. Probably most of them are encouraging Turkey to come closer to other muslim countries and play some kind of a leading role in a so-called "Muslim world". And this includes better relationships with Iran and worst relationships with Israel.

Many Westerners probably think of Turkey as a controllable country, so they can use its new influence in the Middle East for their own purposes of controlling that region. This perhaps explains partly the western sympathies for Erdogan and AKP. But I guess there isn't an agreement among the Westerners on this.

Everything has a certain amount of "shelf life" to it's usefulness for the purpose it supposed to be used for. Once it become outdated or date due expires, then it no longer has any use for anyone, then comes the time to discard the old and bring in the new.!

It seem like I'm not the only one asking the question of Turkey's role (or not) in NATO.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... z14av6L1b1

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-to-iran/

All this recently popped up because Turkey is not sure about the missile defense system the US wants to impose on her, rightfully. Nothing more.

If America wants to gain more popularity on her disgraceful war agains the innocents who live on natural resources, she will have to do better than the threat of removing Turkey from Nato.

[Kikapu]

What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!

I don't think there are much chances for this. Turkey is a vital part of the western alliance for the Westerners to let it go. Probably most of them are encouraging Turkey to come closer to other muslim countries and play some kind of a leading role in a so-called "Muslim world". And this includes better relationships with Iran and worst relationships with Israel.

Many Westerners probably think of Turkey as a controllable country, so they can use its new influence in the Middle East for their own purposes of controlling that region. This perhaps explains partly the western sympathies for Erdogan and AKP. But I guess there isn't an agreement among the Westerners on this.

Everything has a certain amount of "shelf life" to it's usefulness for the purpose it supposed to be used for. Once it become outdated or date due expires, then it no longer has any use for anyone, then comes the time to discard the old and bring in the new.!

It seem like I'm not the only one asking the question of Turkey's role (or not) in NATO.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... z14av6L1b1

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-to-iran/

All this recently popped up because Turkey is not sure about the missile defense system the US wants to impose on her, rightfully. Nothing more.

I don't think so, Shah. After all, the US has had nuclear missiles in Turkey for many years which are mostly designed to be offensive weapons which did not seem to bother the Turks, but now for the US in wanting to deploy defense shields to be used mostly for defensive purposes, the Turks decide to object. Come on now. Is it me or is it that the whole thing just doesn't add up.??

If America wants to gain more popularity on her disgraceful war agains the innocents who live on natural resources, she will have to do better than the threat of removing Turkey from Nato.

The day Turkey , a fellow NATO member, who did not allow the US to open a northern front in attacking Iraq in 2003, is when Turkey crossed the line of not being a dependable NATO member in the eyes of the US, even though it was not meant to be a NATO operation. Turkey had the right to make that refusal and I had supported Turkey at the time for doing just that, but Turkeys' intentions were never based on moral grounds for their refusal, but instead, they had their eyes on the oil fields in Kirkuk, Iraq. If the Americans did not gain access to Northern Iraq, it would perhaps give way for Turkey to invade Iraq from the north and to secure the oil fields for themselves, was Turkeys' thinking.

But to the Americans, it was more than that. They were let down by a country who has received virtually all their weapons from, financial support over the years, a staunch supporter of Turkey being in the EU, and also giving Turkey the Green Light to invade northern Cyprus. If all that wasn't bad enough for the US to feel betrayed by Turkey, the extra cost and delays in entering troops and equipment, and subsequently additional loss of US lives for having to fight their way to the north from the south to secure the northern Iraq, was what was needed for the US to keep Turkey at an arms length from then on. I don't even think the USA wants to place those defence shields in Turkey. I think they are looking for a rejection from Turkey to further justify their case against Turkey, specially after Turkey "getting in bed" with Iran, as well as Turkey "falling out of bed" with Israel. Interesting times ahead for Turkey I'm afraid, and not too rosy ones either.

The United States had asked Kurdish forces not to enter Kirkuk, a senior Pentagon official said Thursday, amid U.S. concerns not to stoke Turkish fears over swelling Kurdish power. But when the peshmerga fighters went in anyway, some U.S. troops were sent to accompany them.

U.S. special operations forces were with the Kurds when they entered the city of 100,000 people, said Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, vice director of the Pentagon's Joint Staff. They were soon joined by elements of the Army's 173rd Airborne Brigade.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said he promised Turkey the Kurds would pull out and be replaced by U.S. troops -- easing Turkish fears that the Kurds could use Kirkuk as a step toward an independent state, perhaps inspiring separatists among Kurds in Turkey.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83786,00.html

[B25]

if you were Mr USA and were let down by Turkey like this, would you trust placing a missile defence system there??? Heck No. Turkeys time has finished, she has shot herself in the foot, both to be exact. The US is no doubt looking for alternatives.

Yippee!!!!!!