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[ZoC]

its funny because 99% of you all run to england to do just that.. what if england treated you all like they have been treated in cyprus?

1) when cypriots "ran" to britain it was because britain was bleeding cyprus dry;

2) they weren't illegal immigrants, they were british subjects, moving from one part of the empire to another;

3) the indigenous brits did treat "british subjects" with black, brown or olive skin (or irish accents) just like immigrants are treated in cyprus today.

watch what you say about uk cyps. they went over, worked hard, got wealthy, and educated their kids... who learned not take any more shit from ignorant indigenous brits, nor equally ignorant peasants from the old country... geddit?

[Sotos]

I've no problem with so-called "illegal" immigrants. Across the world people are trying to make a future for themselves and their families. Invariably they risk a great deal, more often than not fail, and have to put up with racist ignorant crap from nationalists. This is true for Cyprus as it is true for every other country in the world.

A simple test is whether you would have done to others as you would have done to yourself. If you were in the unfortunate position of having to move to another country "illegally" would you wish to run the gauntlet of racist nationalist mobs on top of the experience of the lowest wages,precarious hold on employment and ever-present likelihood of being expelled ?

The racists nationalists of Cyprus speak the same language of ignorance of racist nationalists the world over. They are no more sophisticated than hoodlums and bully boys - they've got nothing to offer but thuggish violence.

No one is illegal.

You might have convinced me if I didn't know you were saying the above to excuse the stealing of our lands by the Turkish settlers you brought in Cyprus. Many Cypriots went immigrants abroad in the past and even now. They do it legally. It is clearly illegal to enter a country without the proper procedures.

[paliometoxo]

its funny because 99% of you all run to england to do just that.. what if england treated you all like they have been treated in cyprus?

1) when cypriots "ran" to britain it was because britain was bleeding cyprus dry;

2) they weren't illegal immigrants, they were british subjects, moving from one part of the empire to another;

3) the indigenous brits did treat "british subjects" with black, brown or olive skin (or irish accents) just like immigrants are treated in cyprus today.

watch what you say about uk cyps. they went over, worked hard, got wealthy, and educated their kids... who learned not take any more shit from ignorant indigenous brits, nor equally ignorant peasants from the old country... geddit?

i never said there was anything wrong with it. my father has many brothers and sisters half of them run to england and made fish and chip shops and hotels and made lots of money well more then they could ever make in cyprus..

but i am saying that if you treat these foreigners like rubbish telling them to get out when your one yourself that has gone to england then you cant really tell them in cyprus go home, what if england never accepted you into their country or gave you visas and told you go home and beat you all?

and just to add not only english cypriots have money, some of us make plenty of it with out having to have run to england or america..

us cypriots who stayed and worked in cyprus have plenty of it

[Sotos]

All the patriots of this forum, hand in hand with the sick racists. Not a single word of condemnation and sotos says that we should lay flowers in the path of these "people", rather than confront them.

I didn't say you should lay flowers. But everybody has a right for his own opinion. If you organize an anti-demonstration to attack others then you are the one to be blamed for the confrontation. Why do you need to use violence to support your position?

[paliometoxo]

Wheres the condemnation of these actions? Why are you GCs making excuses? Or creating a smoke screen of you did this in the pst so its not a big deal.....this mentality is exactly what I talk about you GCs have not advanced one iota.

when do you condem anything the tcs do??!? ever? no matter what the turks or tcs do they do it perfect in your eyes and if its something bad you excuse it...

these gc nationalists should be ashamed with these actions, but tcs like you love this news because you can cry and say look we need to states..

does not make it any more ok.. i agree with you stuff like this should of never happened especially so long after the invasion so much hostility and hate from the nationalists fueled by the tcs like you who scream taksim and the mainland turks who wont go away and try take land and change things.

Palio what do you want me to condemn, if I think you are right I would do it immediately but all we get from GCs are excuses and stupid remarks this shows how it would be in a united Cyprus the mentality is important here, I saw a GC car break down on the way to Girne this week 3 TC cars stopped to help, my friend was going to Troodos and had engine failure no one helped he even got booed, he walked to a petrol station and paid for help, thats the difference between our 2 sides, if you understand what I am saying all well and good otherwise continue with the same policies which guarantee we stay divided and TCs always demand a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

so did your taksim lets kill all gcs want 2 states crap... and i want 20 million euros and a ferrari but its not going to happen in this life time...

im not trying to excuse this incident but lots has happened fromt he north also throwing stones at our president trying to drag gc army men into the cease fire line so they can shoot them.. the tcs like kikapu are the ones who stop for gcs and the gcs on this side who would stop for a tc also and ones who wouldent even stop for a gc or any one...

the more the nationalists on both side are put down and made to shut up and stop with the hatred the better..

much like the gcs will be deald with for their stupid actions trying to rid cyprus of mainland turks with violence sinking to a low level like this is sickening to her a fellow gc would still in this day and age do such a thing..

i agree with getting rid of our occupation and after 36 years we still have it. how can it not anger people still. they just deal with it in wrong ways and give partionists like you the chance to pretend we need two states..

where was it that the eu anounced they want to see the walls go down? right after they where refused to exit with out id card from a fake state...

the very people you claim say we are going to have two states in cyprus...

MEPs urge a Cyprus without checkpoints

THE TWO communities in Cyprus and the EU need to work towards getting rid of the Green Line and checkpoints and establish the free movement of people on the island, said Czech MEP Libor Roucek yesterday
Roucek, coordinator of the European Parliament's High-level Contact Group with the Turkish Cypriot community, told reporters that both communities and the EU needed to set the goal of creating the free movement of persons as exists already in the EU and Schengen Area.
“Until we have this free movement of people I think it will be in everybody’s interest, Greek Cypriot community, Turkish Cypriot community, and the EU, to try to open more crossing points,” he said.
“It would be in everybody’s interest to encourage both leaders, President (Demetris) Christofias and Mr Eroglu to achieve success, progress as soon as possible with this question of opening more crossing points,” he added.
The Czech MEP held a press conference yesterday just a day after eight members of the Contact Group while on a tour of the north were prevented by Turkish authorities from crossing back to the south via the Limnitis crossing point because their papers were not in order.
The MEPs had just held a meeting at the Turkish Cypriot village of Limnitis-Yesilirmak with the mukhtars of Limnitis-Yesilirmak and of Kato Pyrgos and Green party deputy George Perdikis.
The two mukhtars then separately crossed to the south to the Greek Cypriot village of Kato Pyrgos, where they awaited the party of MEPs to join them shortly later. The MEPs ended up turning back and crossing to the government-controlled areas in Nicosia.
Asked about the incident, Roucek made light of the situation, boiling it down to “technical problems”, he said, and added that what the Contact Group sees is just a technically administrative problem.
“Because when we cross the Green Line we give a list with our names and we cross usually at the Ledra Palace crossing point,” he said, adding that there was a lack of communication between the Turkish Cypriot authorities in Nicosia and Limnitis.
“So, I don’t see it in some political (way), as some Greek Cypriot journalists would perhaps like to see it. I see it purely in technical, administrative level,” he said.
Asked how being put through checks by an army whose presence is illegal in Cyprus could be considered a technical problem, Roucek replied that they did not undergo any checks. He added that the Contact Group simply didn’t have the time to wait for the misunderstanding to be clarified.
Regarding the upcoming tripartite meeting in New York between the two leaders and UN chief, he said: “We strongly encourage both leaders to be constructive in those negotiations, in those talks, not only in New York, but also at the bilateral level.”...

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[CopperLine]

I've no problem with so-called "illegal" immigrants. Across the world people are trying to make a future for themselves and their families. Invariably they risk a great deal, more often than not fail, and have to put up with racist ignorant crap from nationalists. This is true for Cyprus as it is true for every other country in the world.

A simple test is whether you would have done to others as you would have done to yourself. If you were in the unfortunate position of having to move to another country "illegally" would you wish to run the gauntlet of racist nationalist mobs on top of the experience of the lowest wages,precarious hold on employment and ever-present likelihood of being expelled ?

The racists nationalists of Cyprus speak the same language of ignorance of racist nationalists the world over. They are no more sophisticated than hoodlums and bully boys - they've got nothing to offer but thuggish violence.

No one is illegal.

You might have convinced me if I didn't know you were saying the above to excuse the stealing of our lands by the Turkish settlers you brought in Cyprus. Many Cypriots went immigrants abroad in the past and even now. They do it legally. It is clearly illegal to enter a country without the proper procedures.

Sotos,
I might take your comment seriously if you'd actually read what I've posted here over the years rather than your regurgitating your blind prejudices about me. I've consistently condemned nationalists and racists whether they're Turkish, Cypriot, Greek or anywhere else. You could even have read and properly digested what I wrote above that "A simple test is whether you would have done to others as you would have done to yourself." That is a test which is totally inconsistent with what you accuse.

And, moreover, I'm not bothered by so-called "illegal" immigration because it privileges nationality and nationalism above basic human rights. Most people who enter countries illegally do so because they have no option if they want to move at all. "I'm white and British and an ignorant scumbag" or "I'm Cypriot and Orthodox and a nationalist" does not result in a stronger claim to live in Britain or Cyprus than "I'm black and Muslim and want to make a living." Accident of birth is hardly a rational basis for claiming a right.

[ZoC]

its funny because 99% of you all run to england to do just that.. what if england treated you all like they have been treated in cyprus?

1) when cypriots "ran" to britain it was because britain was bleeding cyprus dry;

2) they weren't illegal immigrants, they were british subjects, moving from one part of the empire to another;

3) the indigenous brits did treat "british subjects" with black, brown or olive skin (or irish accents) just like immigrants are treated in cyprus today.

watch what you say about uk cyps. they went over, worked hard, got wealthy, and educated their kids... who learned not take any more shit from ignorant indigenous brits, nor equally ignorant peasants from the old country... geddit?

i never said there was anything wrong with it. my father has many brothers and sisters half of them run to england and made fish and chip shops and hotels and made lots of money well more then they could ever make in cyprus..

but i am saying that if you treat these foreigners like rubbish telling them to get out when your one yourself that has gone to england then you cant really tell them in cyprus go home, what if england never accepted you into their country or gave you visas and told you go home and beat you all?

don't u read, peasant? cypriots were british subjects.. they were entitled to go to england... they were being invited to go to england and help rebuild the country after ww2... and the brits did tell cypriots to "go home"... and did (and still do) beat immigrants up.

and just to add not only english cypriots have money, some of us make plenty of it with out having to have run to england or america..

what a peasant... congratulations... who said you didn't? ... and cypriots didn't "run" to england, ok? (who mentioned america?)

us cypriots who stayed and worked in cyprus have plenty of it

sure... you're full of it!

[Oracle]

And, moreover, I'm not bothered by so-called "illegal" immigration because it privileges nationality and nationalism above basic human rights.

Outrageous attempt to give Rights to Settlers which are deducted from the rights of the ethnically cleansed GCs!

Never mind moral relativism, CopperL is after Rights Relativism!

[paliometoxo]

i was trying to be nice there you dont have to be a malakas...

peasent imishi mu....

it does not matter why the english cypriot where let in england in the first place the fact is your still foreigners in england so telling foreigners in cyprus go home when your the same thing in england?

[paliometoxo]

england was bleeding cyprus dry so you run to england? the ones who bleed cyprus dry? and there is plenty of american-cypriots and australien ones and so many other countries that have more of a cypriot population then cyprus