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[All4114All]

Do you believe that if a United Cyprus is achieved under a Democratic government that the solgan Majority Rules, Minority Rights will never be whispered? but trusting the government of Cyprus (G/C or T/C) to protect all Cypriots as equal value? so they will be no uprise of any group.

It almost seems to me as trusting Count Dracula in charge of the Blood Bank could be very thin ice we stand on.



It is just as wrong to violate someone else's rights, even if you outnumber them and have a vote

[miltiades]

A man standing on his own has the same rights as a man standing with a crowd. Now who said that ?

[Piratis]

Yet again more racist "Evil GC" theories in an attempt to deny from the Cypriot people not only democracy but also their most basic human rights.

Tell me All4114All, in what way are Cypriots (or GCs in particular) any worst than Turks, Greeks, French, British ... or Romanians (where Dracula came from)?

Other nations have committed genocides of millions, they traded slaves for centuries, they used to deny to their minorities the right to vote or even the right to speak their own language etc etc and while all those can have today a normal democracy with "Majority Rules" and "Minority Rights", the only ones who can not have it are the Cypriot people?

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

[All4114All]

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

I needed a good laugh today.

First I dont deny anyone from anything.

Sure Piratis TC should of not done anything from the beginning (1960)
1955 we should of supported EOKA establishment
1963 Makarios to change constitution was perfect
1963-1974 my family should of just given up a died
1974 As my family was hostage to the coup should of protested against the Turkish invasion not to come because we were doing so well.
Having agreed to all of the above
2010 RoC under G/C control with probably no T/C left on this island.

You may call me racisit which I am not because if you read my other posts I am sure I have mentioned I have Greek and G/C friends but your comments are of communist origin.

Sure our forefathers may wanted British Rule out of Cyprus but what did the average Cypriot person do like me grandmother or mother and G/C to go through 1963 - 1974 and division.

But please back to the topic

[Get Real!]

Do you believe that if a United Cyprus is achieved under a Democratic government that the solgan Majority Rules, Minority Rights will never be whispered? but trusting the government of Cyprus (G/C or T/C) to protect all Cypriots as equal value? so they will be no uprise of any group.

If you join as Cypriot citizens then you’ll always be in the majority, but if you come as a distinct political force then I’m afraid you’ll always be a very unsettled and quite likely temporary, minority!

[miltiades]

Those Cypriots that are prepared to embrace Cyprus as their ONLY motherland will always be in the majority.
What we tend to see mostly in the occupied parts are the flags and emblems of a foreign nation, of course to a lesser extend we come across similar antics in the RoC . I do not understand why we have to have foreign motherlands , uniquely peculiar to the Cypriot people !

[All4114All]

Those Cypriots that are prepared to embrace Cyprus as their ONLY motherland will always be in the majority.
What we tend to see mostly in the occupied parts are the flags and emblems of a foreign nation, of course to a lesser extend we come across similar antics in the RoC . I do not understand why we have to have foreign motherlands , uniquely peculiar to the Cypriot people !

Agree about the flags The only draw back is I am not sure if any Cypriot as mentioned would feel at rest with opposition governments from their own in control. We need the confidence of a government that if your a majority or a minority will support all cypriots G/C, T/C, Armenian and Maronites.

There are two things which cannot be attacked in front: ignorance and narrow-mindedness. They can only be shaken by the simple development of the contrary qualities. They will not bear discussion. -Lord Acton (10 January 1834 – 19 June 1902)

[Piratis]

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

I needed a good laugh today.

First I dont deny anyone from anything.

Sure Piratis TC should of not done anything from the beginning (1960)
1955 we should of supported EOKA establishment
1963 Makarios to change constitution was perfect
1963-1974 my family should of just given up a died
1974 As my family was hostage to the coup should of protested against the Turkish invasion not to come because we were doing so well.
Having agreed to all of the above
2010 RoC under G/C control with probably no T/C left on this island.

You may call me racisit which I am not because if you read my other posts I am sure I have mentioned I have Greek and G/C friends but your comments are of communist origin.

Sure our forefathers may wanted British Rule out of Cyprus but what did the average Cypriot person do like me grandmother or mother and G/C to go through 1963 - 1974 and division.

But please back to the topic

First of all All4114All, the inter-communal conflict was initiated by TCs in the 50s and both sides had casualties from it. So stop acting as if TCs were the only victims of the problem. More details here: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000

Makarios was the first to propose independence as an alternative to the equally legitimate option of uniting Cyprus with Greece. Nothing of what happened after that would have happened if you accepted to have in Cyprus a normal democratic country.

What happened, happened exactly because what was forced on Cyprus was some undemocratic racist system. If the system was democratic with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning, then Makarios would not need to propose democratic reforms to the system (as it would have already been democratic), and none of what subsequently happened would have happened.

And you are racist because you equate GCs with "Count Dracula" claiming that while every other country can have a normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights, Cyprus can not.

[bill cobbett]

A lesson that might be learnt from the rest of Europe is that there is a perception, and to a large extent a correct one, that Minority Rights are equal in actual political power to Majority Rule.

[repulsewarrior]

exactly bill, in most cases the minority holds the balance of power.

...and within any majority there is moinorities.