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[All4114All]

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

I needed a good laugh today.

First I dont deny anyone from anything.

Sure Piratis TC should of not done anything from the beginning (1960)
1955 we should of supported EOKA establishment
1963 Makarios to change constitution was perfect
1963-1974 my family should of just given up a died
1974 As my family was hostage to the coup should of protested against the Turkish invasion not to come because we were doing so well.
Having agreed to all of the above
2010 RoC under G/C control with probably no T/C left on this island.

You may call me racisit which I am not because if you read my other posts I am sure I have mentioned I have Greek and G/C friends but your comments are of communist origin.

Sure our forefathers may wanted British Rule out of Cyprus but what did the average Cypriot person do like me grandmother or mother and G/C to go through 1963 - 1974 and division.

But please back to the topic

First of all All4114All, the inter-communal conflict was initiated by TCs in the 50s and both sides had casualties from it. So stop acting as if TCs were the only victims of the problem. More details here: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000

Makarios was the first to propose independence as an alternative to the equally legitimate option of uniting Cyprus with Greece. Nothing of what happened after that would have happened if you accepted to have in Cyprus a normal democratic country.

What happened, happened exactly because what was forced on Cyprus was some undemocratic racist system. If the system was democratic with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning, then Makarios would not need to propose democratic reforms to the system (as it would have already been democratic), and none of what subsequently happened would have happened.

And you are racist because you equate GCs with "Count Dracula" claiming that while every other country can have a normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights, Cyprus can not.

Not sure how you equated GC with 'Count Dracula' that was just a metaphor meaning that the political parties we have today being G/C or T/C cannot be trusted to run a RoC as united.

[shahmaran]

Yet again more racist "Evil GC" theories in an attempt to deny from the Cypriot people not only democracy but also their most basic human rights.

Tell me All4114All, in what way are Cypriots (or GCs in particular) any worst than Turks, Greeks, French, British ... or Romanians (where Dracula came from)?

Other nations have committed genocides of millions, they traded slaves for centuries, they used to deny to their minorities the right to vote or even the right to speak their own language etc etc and while all those can have today a normal democracy with "Majority Rules" and "Minority Rights", the only ones who can not have it are the Cypriot people?

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

You are talking as if history never existed.

you have proven to be non-trust worthy, when it comes to ethnic values, so why not it repeat again?

We will never be forced to trust you.

[EricSeans]

Do you believe that if a United Cyprus is achieved under a Democratic government that the solgan Majority Rules, Minority Rights will never be whispered? but trusting the government of Cyprus (G/C or T/C) to protect all Cypriots as equal value? so they will be no uprise of any group.

It almost seems to me as trusting Count Dracula in charge of the Blood Bank could be very thin ice we stand on.



It is just as wrong to violate someone else's rights, even if you outnumber them and have a vote

Surely in a BBF each community is ruled by its own people, leaving the macro and international issues to be dealt with by shared federal government? People should be looking at working towards a fair and just solution rather than waste time on wind-ups dreaming about maybes as the clock ticks.

[Piratis]

Yet again more racist "Evil GC" theories in an attempt to deny from the Cypriot people not only democracy but also their most basic human rights.

Tell me All4114All, in what way are Cypriots (or GCs in particular) any worst than Turks, Greeks, French, British ... or Romanians (where Dracula came from)?

Other nations have committed genocides of millions, they traded slaves for centuries, they used to deny to their minorities the right to vote or even the right to speak their own language etc etc and while all those can have today a normal democracy with "Majority Rules" and "Minority Rights", the only ones who can not have it are the Cypriot people?

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

You are talking as if history never existed.

you have proven to be non-trust worthy, when it comes to ethnic values, so why not it repeat again?

We will never be forced to trust you.

In what way are Turks or any other nation more trust-worthy than us when it comes to ethnic values?

History shows that the problems come from the racist discriminations that foreigners impose on Cyprus, as it was the case during Ottoman rule or with the 1960 constitution.

Today Cyprus is a modern EU democracy, and although not perfect, and despite the problems created by the Turkish occupation, it is still way better from the majority of the other countries in the world.

[boulio]

Ive said it a hundred times if t/c were even in a unitary state and voted on a ethnic line for one t/c party they would be kingmakers in cyprus,in every govt and propably the 3rd largest political party in the ROC.tHEY WOULD BE WAY BETTER OFF THAN TODAY.

[Gregory]

Ive said it a hundred times if t/c were even in a unitary state and voted on a ethnic line for one t/c party they would be kingmakers in cyprus,in every govt and propably the 3rd largest political party in the ROC.tHEY WOULD BE WAY BETTER OFF THAN TODAY.

Because they've been on this island for a few centuries and have acquired the art of 3 political opinions along with 2 parties to every one of them.

[shahmaran]

Yet again more racist "Evil GC" theories in an attempt to deny from the Cypriot people not only democracy but also their most basic human rights.

Tell me All4114All, in what way are Cypriots (or GCs in particular) any worst than Turks, Greeks, French, British ... or Romanians (where Dracula came from)?

Other nations have committed genocides of millions, they traded slaves for centuries, they used to deny to their minorities the right to vote or even the right to speak their own language etc etc and while all those can have today a normal democracy with "Majority Rules" and "Minority Rights", the only ones who can not have it are the Cypriot people?

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

You are talking as if history never existed.

you have proven to be non-trust worthy, when it comes to ethnic values, so why not it repeat again?

We will never be forced to trust you.

In what way are Turks or any other nation more trust-worthy than us when it comes to ethnic values?

History shows that the problems come from the racist discriminations that foreigners impose on Cyprus, as it was the case during Ottoman rule or with the 1960 constitution.

Today Cyprus is a modern EU democracy, and although not perfect, and despite the problems created by the Turkish occupation, it is still way better from the majority of the other countries in the world.

History shows what?

Show me this "history", or is it just a Piratis interpretation?

Racist discrimination goes both ways!

[Me Ed]

Yet again more racist "Evil GC" theories in an attempt to deny from the Cypriot people not only democracy but also their most basic human rights.

Tell me All4114All, in what way are Cypriots (or GCs in particular) any worst than Turks, Greeks, French, British ... or Romanians (where Dracula came from)?

Other nations have committed genocides of millions, they traded slaves for centuries, they used to deny to their minorities the right to vote or even the right to speak their own language etc etc and while all those can have today a normal democracy with "Majority Rules" and "Minority Rights", the only ones who can not have it are the Cypriot people?

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

You are talking as if history never existed.

you have proven to be non-trust worthy, when it comes to ethnic values, so why not it repeat again?

We will never be forced to trust you.

Yes but the realities of the here and now a well and truly stacked against the TCs.

When you make a deal with the devil, you must eventually pay up, usually with catastrophic results to yourselves.

[kurupetos]

Yet again more racist "Evil GC" theories in an attempt to deny from the Cypriot people not only democracy but also their most basic human rights.

Tell me All4114All, in what way are Cypriots (or GCs in particular) any worst than Turks, Greeks, French, British ... or Romanians (where Dracula came from)?

Other nations have committed genocides of millions, they traded slaves for centuries, they used to deny to their minorities the right to vote or even the right to speak their own language etc etc and while all those can have today a normal democracy with "Majority Rules" and "Minority Rights", the only ones who can not have it are the Cypriot people?

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

You are talking as if history never existed.

you have proven to be non-trust worthy, when it comes to ethnic values, so why not it repeat again?

We will never be forced to trust you.

Perfect! Because it's too early for a just solution. Let's keep the status-quo until last judgement!

[ZoC]

Yet again more racist "Evil GC" theories in an attempt to deny from the Cypriot people not only democracy but also their most basic human rights.

Tell me All4114All, in what way are Cypriots (or GCs in particular) any worst than Turks, Greeks, French, British ... or Romanians (where Dracula came from)?

Other nations have committed genocides of millions, they traded slaves for centuries, they used to deny to their minorities the right to vote or even the right to speak their own language etc etc and while all those can have today a normal democracy with "Majority Rules" and "Minority Rights", the only ones who can not have it are the Cypriot people?

It is such racist positions like yours which are causing the problems and the divisions in Cyprus. If Turkey and the TCs allowed Cyprus to be a true normal democracy with majority rule and minority rights from the beginning (1960) then Cyprus wouldn't have any of the problems that followed and we would all be better off.

You are talking as if history never existed.

you have proven to be non-trust worthy, when it comes to ethnic values, so why not it repeat again?

We will never be forced to trust you.

Perfect! Because it's too early for a just solution. Let's keep the status-quo until last judgement!

but what a stupid thing to say: We will never be forced to trust you...
how can anyone be forced to trust someone: trust me or... or... i'll kill u!
if shah was any more cerebrally challenged he could donate his brain to medical science and they could store it inside a thimble full of formaldehyde.