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[MrH]

Is the End of the Cyprus talks in Close Proximity? It appears so, according to how Bored and Frustrated the EU are becoming in being made to look inane by a hand full of Greek Cypriot Nationalists! Please enjoy the Article.....All Fascist, Greek Cypriot Nationalist comments welcome!

Source:
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/columnists-225690-dreams-fading-over-cyprus.html

Dreams fading over Cyprus
By Yavus Baydar

“The procedure used was a disgrace for the EP,” wrote Joost Lagendijk in this paper a couple of days ago, commenting on its scandalous decision to block further the Direct Trade Regulation (DTR), which was meant to end the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots, as a means to facilitate a fair and speedy settlement on the island’s negotiating communities under the auspices of the United Nations.

It is, indeed. After months of political intrigue and single-minded lobbying, the Greek Cypriot side managed to persuade the majority of the Legal Affairs Committee (of the European Parliament) to vote for the peculiar position that the legal basis for the DTR was the Accession Treaty and not the Lisbon Treaty. It happened against the opposition of the Liberals and the Greens.

What happened beyond blocking facilitation for the settlement -- and thus keeping alive the hopes of the Turk Cypriots that they would soon enough be liberated from Turkish hegemony and be part of the EU -- was something that could only be explained by sheer stupidity: The Conservatives, acting mainly out of the barely disguised obsession that Turkey should be kept away from the EU accession process as long as possible, and the Socialists, possibly in their mechanical mindset to act in solidarity with their comrade, Dimitris Christofias, basically decided to curb the powers to the European Parliament given to them by the Lisbon Treaty. It is one of those rare cases in which politicians, so keen to enhance their legislative powers, shoot themselves on the foot.
Not stupidity, cynicism, others would say. It may very well be. The fact is, in the case of Cyprus, both walk hand in hand, in full support of each other.

On the other hand, it is understandable if the decision at the Legal Affairs Committee is one of those last nails in the coffin for the dreams of a settlement. “I am not at all surprised, but I think I have had enough,” said a friend of mine. A true liberal long involved in mediating the civilian dialogue process on the island, he elaborated on his frustration: “I witnessed this cynical behavior in Bosnia and Kosovo, and had hoped that Europeans who gave priority to the Christians and left Balkan Muslims more or less to their fate would be wise enough to draw lessons thereof. Alas, the same attitude is very much alive and well on the issue of Cyprus. ‘Make them suffer to submission’ is the motto. It will never work.”

Perceptions count, more than can be imagined. One can only guess how the attitudes in the ongoing talks will be affected by the vote within the EP. It would be worthy to take the pulse of the Turk Cypriots at this stage, but it is clear that not even the European wish to spend efforts to “measure the mood.”

Certainly, many Europeans feel frustrated, and they are justified in doing so. But the fact of the matter is that very few admit that what Lagendijk calls “Cypriot shrewdness” has been dragging the entire EU, like a pet on a leash, into the trap of being minimized to a political tool to destroy all prospects for a fair, lasting solution on the island, and to anger Turkish society “out of EU negotiations.” Shrewdness works, the Greek Cypriots have come far, thanks to the silent agreement with the anti-Turkey block within the EU. The “alliance,” one must commend, has been successful -- so far.

Lagendijk is certainly right when he issues a “heads-up” to his decent and honest politician colleagues and says that “the island indeed proved to be a ‘single-issue member state’ that has only one interest: to use its power inside the EU to extract concessions from both the Turkish Cypriots and the Turks.” From this point on, it will be much, much harder to regain the confidence of Turkey’s citizens and Turk Cypriots that the EU is firm and consistent on its moral ground.

An alarmist article like the one you are reading often receives a barrage of critique and name-calling. Most of them are superficial and one-sided. Others are either based on clichés or are “mechanical” -- i.e., based on notions that exclude the human side, ethics, trust, justice, hope, etc. in favor of a power game, revenge and one’s superiority over the other.
This is the tragedy of Cyprus, held hostage in the belief that employing all efforts to turn international powers -- the EU and, increasingly, Russia -- against it will work. Unless a new wisdom within the EU develops, it will only, sadly, extend the suffering, ad infinitum.

29 October 2010, Friday

[MrH]

The is just a Huge thanks to my close friend Mr Yavus Baydar for such a great article.

[Hermes]

Thanks to Yavus Baydar for such a shit article which merely rehashes an earlier crap article by some former Dutch MEP who is paid by Turkey as a "policy advisor".

Yes Turkey's dreams are fading fast. The dream of direct trade and recognition has been deemed illegal. And there is nothing that a clapped-out former Dutch Green MEP who now works in Istanbul as a paid Turkish government advisor can do about it except write pathetic articles in a Turkish newspaper claiming that the EU Commission should proceed with a policy that it's own legal service has judged illegal and which violates the sovereignty of an EU member!

You could not make this crap up. But of course in the fantasy world of Turkish policy making there is an anti-Turkish conspiracy at work. When all that is really going on is that the EU is laying down the law to Turkey. So stop your pathetic moaning. Accept the reality that the EU will not bend to accommodate Turkey any more. It will not go against Cyprus. So Turkey can either go fuck itself or it can withdraw from Cyprus. Is the message getting through yet?

[boulio]

Maybe they are starting to get it Hermes:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2010-10-29

Take Christofias offer on direct trade thru famagusta it will benefit everyone

[ZoC]

‘Make them suffer to submission’ is the motto. It will never work.”

why not? and even if it doesn't work... here's another motto: "so what?"

the turds have got a lot to learn about dignity. luckily, u've come across a patient teacher.

Unless a new wisdom within the EU develops, it will only, sadly, extend the suffering, ad infinitum.

errr back to the motto... "so what?"

u think any "new eu wisdom" will ever outfox the wily cypriots?

we were doing wisdom when the rest of europe was running around in animal-skin nappies... and we been doing suffering at the hands of invaders like you for just as long... go cry your croc tears somewhere else, 'cos we don't give a shit.

[ZoC]

The is just a Huge thanks to my close friend Mr Yavus Baydar for such a great article.

just make sure you send your close friend a link to this thread, mr hallucinator.

[B25]

Is the End of the Cyprus talks in Close Proximity? It appears so, according to how Bored and Frustrated the EU are becoming in being made to look inane by a hand full of Greek Cypriot Nationalists! Please enjoy the Article.....All Fascist, Greek Cypriot Nationalist comments welcome!

Source:
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/columnists-225690-dreams-fading-over-cyprus.html

Dreams fading over Cyprus
By Yavus Baydar

“The procedure used was a disgrace for the EP,” wrote Joost Lagendijk in this paper a couple of days ago, commenting on its scandalous decision to block further the Direct Trade Regulation (DTR), which was meant to end the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots, as a means to facilitate a fair and speedy settlement on the island’s negotiating communities under the auspices of the United Nations.

It is, indeed. After months of political intrigue and single-minded lobbying, the Greek Cypriot side managed to persuade the majority of the Legal Affairs Committee (of the European Parliament) to vote for the peculiar position that the legal basis for the DTR was the Accession Treaty and not the Lisbon Treaty. It happened against the opposition of the Liberals and the Greens.

What happened beyond blocking facilitation for the settlement -- and thus keeping alive the hopes of the Turk Cypriots that they would soon enough be liberated from Turkish hegemony and be part of the EU -- was something that could only be explained by sheer stupidity: The Conservatives, acting mainly out of the barely disguised obsession that Turkey should be kept away from the EU accession process as long as possible, and the Socialists, possibly in their mechanical mindset to act in solidarity with their comrade, Dimitris Christofias, basically decided to curb the powers to the European Parliament given to them by the Lisbon Treaty. It is one of those rare cases in which politicians, so keen to enhance their legislative powers, shoot themselves on the foot.
Not stupidity, cynicism, others would say. It may very well be. The fact is, in the case of Cyprus, both walk hand in hand, in full support of each other.

On the other hand, it is understandable if the decision at the Legal Affairs Committee is one of those last nails in the coffin for the dreams of a settlement. “I am not at all surprised, but I think I have had enough,” said a friend of mine. A true liberal long involved in mediating the civilian dialogue process on the island, he elaborated on his frustration: “I witnessed this cynical behavior in Bosnia and Kosovo, and had hoped that Europeans who gave priority to the Christians and left Balkan Muslims more or less to their fate would be wise enough to draw lessons thereof. Alas, the same attitude is very much alive and well on the issue of Cyprus. ‘Make them suffer to submission’ is the motto. It will never work.”

Perceptions count, more than can be imagined. One can only guess how the attitudes in the ongoing talks will be affected by the vote within the EP. It would be worthy to take the pulse of the Turk Cypriots at this stage, but it is clear that not even the European wish to spend efforts to “measure the mood.”

Certainly, many Europeans feel frustrated, and they are justified in doing so. But the fact of the matter is that very few admit that what Lagendijk calls “Cypriot shrewdness” has been dragging the entire EU, like a pet on a leash, into the trap of being minimized to a political tool to destroy all prospects for a fair, lasting solution on the island, and to anger Turkish society “out of EU negotiations.” Shrewdness works, the Greek Cypriots have come far, thanks to the silent agreement with the anti-Turkey block within the EU. The “alliance,” one must commend, has been successful -- so far.

Lagendijk is certainly right when he issues a “heads-up” to his decent and honest politician colleagues and says that “the island indeed proved to be a ‘single-issue member state’ that has only one interest: to use its power inside the EU to extract concessions from both the Turkish Cypriots and the Turks.” From this point on, it will be much, much harder to regain the confidence of Turkey’s citizens and Turk Cypriots that the EU is firm and consistent on its moral ground.

An alarmist article like the one you are reading often receives a barrage of critique and name-calling. Most of them are superficial and one-sided. Others are either based on clichés or are “mechanical” -- i.e., based on notions that exclude the human side, ethics, trust, justice, hope, etc. in favor of a power game, revenge and one’s superiority over the other.
This is the tragedy of Cyprus, held hostage in the belief that employing all efforts to turn international powers -- the EU and, increasingly, Russia -- against it will work. Unless a new wisdom within the EU develops, it will only, sadly, extend the suffering, ad infinitum.

29 October 2010, Friday

What a crock of shit. My god any reasonable person can see this propoganda crap for what it is. As for the dutch longendprick or whatever his name is, well another paid proponant of the turkish mud slinging gang.

Bottom line, it, EU have declared the 'trnc' is illegal, hence no DT or DF or recognition. Full stop. Simples.

[Get Real!]

More incentive for Turkey to abide by international law and thus end the Cyprus problem...

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm


You know what to do Turkey!

[MrH]

ZoC,
He already knows about this link and often refers to it when in Brussells to show how dumb, nationalistic and stupid the Greek Cypriots are. In simple words, you prove his point of a Swiss Style Two Confederal state resolution to the Cyprus issue.

[Get Real!]

He already knows about this link and often refers to it when in Brussells to show how dumb, nationalistic and stupid the Greek Cypriots are.

Did you point out which threads are yours?