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[CyprusNewsReport]

Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

Speak for yourself. I don't have any problem tolerating anyone, no matter what their origin. It's prejudice, racism, rejectionism, living in the past and negativity that I don't tolerate.

The only way to get over this cultural wall is to stop building it higher and higher.

Nice one.

Yes... but why talking about past is always considered by CNR as living in the past?

It seems she does not like history much...

It depends on how it's approached. I love history, but I see it as...history...part of the past, something to learn from and not to drown in on a daily basis.

I think everyone is trying to learn from the history by sometimes "drowning in" on a daily basis depending on how fierce the debate is and stimulation they feel to reply to other's views and claims regarding the issue...

You are right, it's a way to learn, I've learned a lot from CF debates. One thing I've taken away with me is that we really share a very rich cultural heritage, and it's up to us whether we are going to argue about it or actually enjoy it together.

If people use the past to beat me around the head and shoulders with their arguments, it turns me off and makes me want to do almost anything else than listen to them. I put more value on a simple gesture of friendship in the present moment than on one thousand 'right' arguments about history.

I mean take the issue of whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. Thousands of pages have been written on this issue, literally thousands. Well, the other day I had a good talk with my Turkish-Cypriot friend in Australia, it was nice to know he is well. Hmm, we didn't say one thing about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish, we just had a good chat. And then, my Greek-Cypriot friend dropped in to have a coffee the other day. And guess what! We didn't say one word about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. We just had coffee and a nice talk.

So my point is that while people may validate their historical perspectives with a thousand facts - it's peoples' personal relationships that will bring our communities together. So...that's why we bother! For a good country with a secure future.

[insan]

Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

Speak for yourself. I don't have any problem tolerating anyone, no matter what their origin. It's prejudice, racism, rejectionism, living in the past and negativity that I don't tolerate.

The only way to get over this cultural wall is to stop building it higher and higher.

Nice one.

Yes... but why talking about past is always considered by CNR as living in the past?

It seems she does not like history much...

It depends on how it's approached. I love history, but I see it as...history...part of the past, something to learn from and not to drown in on a daily basis.

I think everyone is trying to learn from the history by sometimes "drowning in" on a daily basis depending on how fierce the debate is and stimulation they feel to reply to other's views and claims regarding the issue...

You are right, it's a way to learn, I've learned a lot from CF debates. One thing I've taken away with me is that we really share a very rich cultural heritage, and it's up to us whether we are going to argue about it or actually enjoy it together.

If people use the past to beat me around the head and shoulders with their arguments, it turns me off and makes me want to do almost anything else than listen to them. I put more value on a simple gesture of friendship in the present moment than on one thousand 'right' arguments about history.

I mean take the issue of whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. Thousands of pages have been written on this issue, literally thousands. Well, the other day I had a good talk with my Turkish-Cypriot friend in Australia, it was nice to know he is well. Hmm, we didn't say one thing about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish, we just had a good chat. And then, my Greek-Cypriot friend dropped in to have a coffee the other day. And guess what! We didn't say one word about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. We just had coffee and a nice talk.

So my point is that while people may validate their historical perspectives with a thousand facts - it's peoples' personal relationships that will bring our communities together. So...that's why we bother! For a good country with a secure future.

I've clearly got your point now... I agree with you that most of the times, debates on historical issues become a viscious circle and particulary some members of this forum keep insisting on their claims by repeating the same "views" with adding personal, ethnical and national insults into their replies ... This is what makes a historical debate tasteless... even disgusting... and being pushed to retaliate them with a same or similar manner turns it into a meaningless, childish, non-intellectual, worthless and endless mutual insult stupidity...

In my opinion, those members who resort to insults(personal, ethnical and/or national) during a debate; have psychological disturbances...

[CyprusNewsReport]

Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

Speak for yourself. I don't have any problem tolerating anyone, no matter what their origin. It's prejudice, racism, rejectionism, living in the past and negativity that I don't tolerate.

The only way to get over this cultural wall is to stop building it higher and higher.

Nice one.

Yes... but why talking about past is always considered by CNR as living in the past?

It seems she does not like history much...

It depends on how it's approached. I love history, but I see it as...history...part of the past, something to learn from and not to drown in on a daily basis.

I think everyone is trying to learn from the history by sometimes "drowning in" on a daily basis depending on how fierce the debate is and stimulation they feel to reply to other's views and claims regarding the issue...

You are right, it's a way to learn, I've learned a lot from CF debates. One thing I've taken away with me is that we really share a very rich cultural heritage, and it's up to us whether we are going to argue about it or actually enjoy it together.

If people use the past to beat me around the head and shoulders with their arguments, it turns me off and makes me want to do almost anything else than listen to them. I put more value on a simple gesture of friendship in the present moment than on one thousand 'right' arguments about history.

I mean take the issue of whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. Thousands of pages have been written on this issue, literally thousands. Well, the other day I had a good talk with my Turkish-Cypriot friend in Australia, it was nice to know he is well. Hmm, we didn't say one thing about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish, we just had a good chat. And then, my Greek-Cypriot friend dropped in to have a coffee the other day. And guess what! We didn't say one word about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. We just had coffee and a nice talk.

So my point is that while people may validate their historical perspectives with a thousand facts - it's peoples' personal relationships that will bring our communities together. So...that's why we bother! For a good country with a secure future.

I've clearly got your point now... I agree with you that most of the times, debates on historical issues become a viscious circle and particulary some members of this forum keep insisting on their claims by repeating the same "views" with adding personal, ethnical and national insults into their replies ... This is what makes a historical debate tasteless... even disgusting... and being pushed to retaliate them with a same or similar manner turns it into a meaningless, childish, non-intellectual, worthless and endless mutual insult stupidity...

In my opinion, those members who resort to insults(personal, ethnical and/or national) during a debate; have psychological disturbances...

Exactly, that's so true. When someone starts insulting me, and they invariably do on CF, it's a sign that their perspectives are being challenged in a way they can't handle. And that in itself is a sign that being trapped in the past can make one inflexible and unable to adapt to new realities as they arise.

[Tony-4497]

Why should i go anywhere else this is my country and where i belong

I don't mind if you (and all TCs) stay, provided you hand back the property you stole.

I don't even mind if you want to live in Cyprus on your own, so long as the land you take is equal to the one you OWN.

If what you want is to stay in Cyprus on a size of land that is two or three times the land you own, then what you are really asking for is to STEAL the property of your compatriots.

This will NEVER happen - continue demanding this and you will stay isolated, unrecognised and illegal as common thieves and criminals should be (and of course well away from the EU - which goes for you and your big mama bitch THIEF).

OH great Tony thanks for not minding that my whole 6 generations have decided to live in Cyprus .
Oh yeah there are couple of acres that are on the greek side in Lourougina that was from my forfathers . it just happened that the border crosses over on my inherited land so basically my land falls on both sides. i was hopeing that the turks took a little more land during 1974 . I am talking about my own land by the way.
I need advice here as some call it occupation however what do you term my situation as i was happy that the turks came to save us and if its termed as occupation how have they occupied my land.
I think that termonology is political or isolated to every individual experiences.

Did you actually read what I wrote? I agree that TCs like you have as much a right as GCs to be here. The debate is about land/ property.

TCs can choose one of two things, regardless of the "name" of the solution or the governance "model" is. They:

1. EITHER live WITH GCs, everyone keeps their own property everywhere in Cyprus - so you have ALL of your Lurigina land and I have all of my land in Famagusta (this I believe is the preference of most GCs);

2. OR, they choose to live separately, in an ethnically cleansed area where nearly all properties will be owned by TCs. I do not have a major problem if they choose this, so long as the land/ property issue is solved ONLY by exchange with identical properties and not compensation (as only GCs can pay this).

In other words:
- I don't really care about the type of solution
- I am happy for TCs to stay in Cy
- I am happy to accommodate their "preference" to live "on their own" in a single area broadly equal to the land they collectively own
- There will never be a solution if TCs continue to want the above in an area which 2-3 times the size of the land they own, at the expense of GCs who in such a case will just lose their land.

I fully agree with Tony except the red highlighted part because of the disputed claims on land ownership by two communities...

European and international courts have clarified all disputes that have been presented (mainly EFKAV). Besides, any reasonable person would know that TCs had at MOST a similar average land ownership per capita as GCs - they were generally poorer and had more children than GCs (which means there was more dilution in ownership).

Whichever way you cut it, there is no way that TC ownership reaches more than 18-20% of Cyprus.. I don't even mind if you get an area of 22-23%. But there will simply be no solution where the TC area is 29-30% as per Annan (not to mention 55% of coast). It's just not worth the hussle and risk from a GC perspective.. If you greedily continue demanding this, we will much prefer to keep fighting for a solution where every single person gets their property back (despite what Christofias says..).

[All4114All]

Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

Speak for yourself. I don't have any problem tolerating anyone, no matter what their origin. It's prejudice, racism, rejectionism, living in the past and negativity that I don't tolerate.

The only way to get over this cultural wall is to stop building it higher and higher.

Nice one.

Yes... but why talking about past is always considered by CNR as living in the past?

It seems she does not like history much...

It depends on how it's approached. I love history, but I see it as...history...part of the past, something to learn from and not to drown in on a daily basis.

I think everyone is trying to learn from the history by sometimes "drowning in" on a daily basis depending on how fierce the debate is and stimulation they feel to reply to other's views and claims regarding the issue...

You are right, it's a way to learn, I've learned a lot from CF debates. One thing I've taken away with me is that we really share a very rich cultural heritage, and it's up to us whether we are going to argue about it or actually enjoy it together.

If people use the past to beat me around the head and shoulders with their arguments, it turns me off and makes me want to do almost anything else than listen to them. I put more value on a simple gesture of friendship in the present moment than on one thousand 'right' arguments about history.

I mean take the issue of whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. Thousands of pages have been written on this issue, literally thousands. Well, the other day I had a good talk with my Turkish-Cypriot friend in Australia, it was nice to know he is well. Hmm, we didn't say one thing about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish, we just had a good chat. And then, my Greek-Cypriot friend dropped in to have a coffee the other day. And guess what! We didn't say one word about whether Cyprus is Greek or Turkish. We just had coffee and a nice talk.

So my point is that while people may validate their historical perspectives with a thousand facts - it's peoples' personal relationships that will bring our communities together. So...that's why we bother! For a good country with a secure future.

I've clearly got your point now... I agree with you that most of the times, debates on historical issues become a viscious circle and particulary some members of this forum keep insisting on their claims by repeating the same "views" with adding personal, ethnical and national insults into their replies ... This is what makes a historical debate tasteless... even disgusting... and being pushed to retaliate them with a same or similar manner turns it into a meaningless, childish, non-intellectual, worthless and endless mutual insult stupidity...

In my opinion, those members who resort to insults(personal, ethnical and/or national) during a debate; have psychological disturbances...

Exactly, that's so true. When someone starts insulting me, and they invariably do on CF, it's a sign that their perspectives are being challenged in a way they can't handle. And that in itself is a sign that being trapped in the past can make one inflexible and unable to adapt to new realities as they arise.

I agree on both your open views of how we should look at the situation I myself who is a T/C have many friends of Greek and G/C origin in Australia and we never debate or fight over Cyprus and this friendship continues with my Serbian friends about Serbia and Turks but it is ashame that this hospitality is lost here in Cyprus.

[Oracle]

Some irrational numbers around ...

[Viewpoint]

Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

Speak for yourself. I don't have any problem tolerating anyone, no matter what their origin. It's prejudice, racism, rejectionism, living in the past and negativity that I don't tolerate.

The only way to get over this cultural wall is to stop building it higher and higher.

Nice one.

thanks!

Where do you both live?

[repulsewarrior]

...and where were you before '63 (or '74), have you always lived in cyprus?

...and in your world the settlers speak, why not then Mankind, or the diaspora?

...pardon me vp i may be reading between the lines, sometimes i get emotional; perhaps you're being friendly.

[CyprusNewsReport]

Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

Speak for yourself. I don't have any problem tolerating anyone, no matter what their origin. It's prejudice, racism, rejectionism, living in the past and negativity that I don't tolerate.

The only way to get over this cultural wall is to stop building it higher and higher.

Nice one.

thanks!

Where do you both live?

I live in Limassol.

[CyprusNewsReport]

...and where were you before '63 (or '74), have you always lived in cyprus?

...and in your world the settlers speak, why not then Mankind, or the diaspora?

...pardon me vp i may be reading between the lines, sometimes i get emotional; perhaps you're being friendly.

Was here on the island in '74, not born in '63. Yes, we've all suffered. Now what? Do we continue the same approaches and attitudes that brought us to this point in the first place? Or can we start thinking a bit more positively and more friendly to each other? A bit of friendship goes a long way.