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Re: Why do we bother?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:29 pm

Me Ed wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

VP, because ultimately we belong together.; for better or worse.

Ok, we may make exchanges on this corrupted forum, but we wouldn't be here unless we believed we were ultimately fatted together.

Love you VP and all TCs xxx


You run us into the ground and think we are the scum of the earth then you come up with the above, should we take you seriously? Mentally stable people do not want to live with people they feel threatened by or do trust that's what really fuels our desire for our own state be it on its own or under a BBF structure, what drives you to want to live with us? the immediate thought is exploiting your numerical advantage to dominate the whole island, please clarify your reasoning.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:30 pm

ZoC wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:ZoC we are all here to stay so stop the rhetoric, ....


sure. life sentence. you'll be kept in solitary confinement here until you leave... or stop behaving like criminals.


What are you on about?


if you're here to stay, you'll stay isolated. jeez, i'd hate to be your probation officer...


Whatever, your empty comments aren't worth responding to. Try harder.

mate, i'm telling it to you straight. my comments aren't empty. they're direct... like the trade you'll never get.


Again contradictory and empty statements.
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Re: Why do we bother?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:33 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

My offer to supply the dinghies so you may paddle back to Turkey is still valid…


In your dreams, we are here to stay in fact we are increasing by the day, the arrow has been released (old Turkish saying) and heading your way the irony is you wont realize until it to late and hits you direct between the eyes.
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Re: Why do we bother?

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:38 pm

miltiades wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Why do we continue to argue back on forth the same issue, we obviously cannot tolerate each other so why on earth should we be forced to live together?

Rubbish. I had lunch yesterday with a fine T/C Ibrahim at Croydon , this morning Deniz is popping in for coffee , what is the matter with you foreigner !!!


Militiades ı am well aware of your good intentions but unfortunately you are a UK Cypriot and have no clue about what is developing here in Cyprus. ı was once like you but when I move to the island reality struck home real hard and ı don't see why two peoples should be forced to live together when they obviously cant stand each other and I'm not talking about superficial interaction between the two sides but a real desire to build a united Cyprus it just does not exist, we are pissing in the wind and the sooner people realize that the current situation is far better than a forced union which will explode in the future the sooner we will arrive at a solution where we agree a velvet partition.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:50 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Why should i go anywhere else this is my country and where i belong


I don't mind if you (and all TCs) stay, provided you hand back the property you stole.

I don't even mind if you want to live in Cyprus on your own, so long as the land you take is equal to the one you OWN.

If what you want is to stay in Cyprus on a size of land that is two or three times the land you own, then what you are really asking for is to STEAL the property of your compatriots.

This will NEVER happen - continue demanding this and you will stay isolated, unrecognised and illegal as common thieves and criminals should be (and of course well away from the EU - which goes for you and your big mama bitch THIEF).


I agree all refugees should get some closure on their private properties and I thank you for seeing we TCs to have rights to Cyprus but what you have to grasp is that land distribution is not based on the amount of private land ownership or population but the sharing of sovereignty and the 1960s constitution gives the TCs a 30% right that's why in successive negotiations a figure in this area has been agreed but again for me it is open to negotiation and I as a TC would consider reducing closer to 20/22% so that as many refugees can have their homes back and the TRNC can be recognized and kept out of the EU.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:53 pm

paliometoxo wrote:18% , i would accept partition then... tcs 18% trnc state :)


How did you arrive at 18%, private property rights are different to sovereignty rights and your constitution gives us a right to 30% which has been agreed in many of the negotiations between the 2 sides. now this can be negotiated down as long as we get a totally different and separate state but under a BBF this figure will not go down much under 29%
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Postby Tony-4497 » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:16 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:Why should i go anywhere else this is my country and where i belong


I don't mind if you (and all TCs) stay, provided you hand back the property you stole.

I don't even mind if you want to live in Cyprus on your own, so long as the land you take is equal to the one you OWN.

If what you want is to stay in Cyprus on a size of land that is two or three times the land you own, then what you are really asking for is to STEAL the property of your compatriots.

This will NEVER happen - continue demanding this and you will stay isolated, unrecognised and illegal as common thieves and criminals should be (and of course well away from the EU - which goes for you and your big mama bitch THIEF).


I agree all refugees should get some closure on their private properties and I thank you for seeing we TCs to have rights to Cyprus but what you have to grasp is that land distribution is not based on the amount of private land ownership or population but the sharing of sovereignty and the 1960s constitution gives the TCs a 30% right that's why in successive negotiations a figure in this area has been agreed but again for me it is open to negotiation and I as a TC would consider reducing closer to 20/22% so that as many refugees can have their homes back and the TRNC can be recognized and kept out of the EU.


The 30% figure had to do with other things, not property. This gave increased rights to the 18% minority in order to protect it - it's a governance issue that you also find in company law etc. I agree that this would be appropriate if we were discussing a unitary state, but not a new system with separate governance etc. GCs agreed to discuss on this basis on assumption that private properties within this 30% would be returned to GC owners. This is clearly not going to happen, as Turkey rejects it, hence the deadlock.

That said, I think your proposal is in the right direction and probably the only realistic way of finding a solution acceptable by a majority at referendum on both sides.

It may be that this will take the form of a confederation or BBF with even more sovereignty assigned to the sides than in the AP (so that both sides can feel comfortable that they will never be flooded with Turkish settlers) - perhaps with TC area hitting 23-24% in such a case.
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Postby paliometoxo » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:18% , i would accept partition then... tcs 18% trnc state :)


How did you arrive at 18%, private property rights are different to sovereignty rights and your constitution gives us a right to 30% which has been agreed in many of the negotiations between the 2 sides. now this can be negotiated down as long as we get a totally different and separate state but under a BBF this figure will not go down much under 29%


since when did we sign off 30% of our island to you turks? seems strange that turkey would of had to invade and steal 37% if we gave you 30? :/

and the world would of recognised the trnc if that where the case.

this bbf you talk of and two states is an empty promise by your trnc fake rape state leaders that will never happen, enosis died why is taksim very much alive today
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:19 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:18% , i would accept partition then... tcs 18% trnc state :)


How did you arrive at 18%, private property rights are different to sovereignty rights and your constitution gives us a right to 30% which has been agreed in many of the negotiations between the 2 sides. now this can be negotiated down as long as we get a totally different and separate state but under a BBF this figure will not go down much under 29%

Naughty, naughty!

Land Ownership by Ethnic Group:

60.9% - Greek/Armenian/Maronite Cypriots
12.3% - Turkish Cypriots
0.5% - Others
26.3% - State/Church Land

Source: Department of Lands and Surveys (refer to Annex 14 in Volume II of the "Memorandum by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus" submitted to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the House of Commons, 27 February 1987.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:21 pm

I think we can agree that its the only real viable solution that will work as both sides have just grown apart a reduction down to 24% for most TCs would be acceptable as the end result would be their own recognized country and no fear of being forced to live in a united structure dominated by GCs, Sad but true.
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