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[MARTHA]

My children are of both however i am begining to realise that perhaps i should influence the Turkish Culture and mind onto them as i have fooled myself into believing that in general greeks are of good nature but it seems that in this forum there seems to be a majority of ignorant substandard CPs with nothing but hatred.
I shall have a lovely turkish life and i shall bring my children up of Turkish culture because they will grow up to learn to respect and have pride unlike the CPS that i have come across this Forum. My wife and her Family must be in a minority as they are proud and respectfull people with intelligence and open minded but if my children are to be exposed to Such substandard generation of people then i rather them be only exposed to Turks .

Seems to me it's you who is the racist looking for any excuse to do what you really want to do, deep down inside. That is, to be a Turk. But, without the stigma of the atrocities well-known against that nation. So, you pretend you are perfect and have been slighted by Greeks. You will "now" bring up your children to be Turks, simply because 4 forumers have attacked your (confused) views on an Internet forum? Better to ban Internet access to your family, my friend.

Every action has a reaction Oracle. He did not exactly get a warm welcome here did he? I am glad you called him 'your friend'. I am sure you meant it too.

A view is a view it does not mean its a fact . So how can a view be confused or shall one just follow your view like a robbot and accept that there is only one view.
Get real . It is good to have a variety of views and complex ones at that. Why should i read off a text book given to me as a child to vomit out everytime i am debating . That is what i see in some cases in this forum

[Oracle]

Do Turks have "text books"?

Irrelevant ...

... they can't read, surely!

[MARTHA]

Hi
Interesting .
Can i join this discussion ?
There is no such Race as a cypriot same as there is no such race as being British .
I can respond in the same manner . I am British i speak english but i am not English .
But if i am asked am i English i would have to say no i am not.
This would be the same question put to Palio .
Bear in mind there is no race termed as Cypriot .
What race are you Palio and please dont say Cypriot because if you ask me what race i am i will answer you in the same context as you that i am a British race which does not exist.
Cypriot does not depict the race you are only the country your from just like me i am from the UK my race is not UK LOL

well, my perants are cypriot their perants are cypriot and before them cypriot.. oh sorry you say there is no such thing as cypriot, where born and raised in cyprus we speak greek. so you tell me what does that make me... greek? we are all greek and turkish?

there is such thing as british.... just like there is cypriot or american or russian or romanian or german....

so i cant really answer you the way you want. you tell me in your opinion what does it make me...?

and its nice to see such forward person on the forum who is married to a gc with kids and can see past the problems in cyprus and live happily together like some people on here believe we would kill each other and need two states in cyprus.. this is a perfect example of how we can live together..

btw i thought you where a girl martha is a girls name lol... but i know one turkish guy his name is sofi and in turkish i am told thats a common guys name..

well any way there is my reply..

Hi

I believe there is no such race as a Cypriot . I have not seen in any historical documents to suggest there is a Cypriot Race .
It just does not exist .
I agree yes we are Cypriots but that is not a identification of a race.
America has the indians as original settlers and they partially still exist.
Australia has the aboriginis as the original settlers .
You or i are not the original settlers .
Persians were one of the first settlers but still they were not of Cypriot Race.

so what do you believe we are? greek/turkish cypriot? or something else? greek and turkish?

What ever race you are followed by Cypriot. Its very simple in the UK when you fill in a form some forms have boxes that have a list of ethnic origin and you tick the box.
Perhaos they should have the same in Cyprus

[MARTHA]

Do Turks have "text books"?

Irrelevant ...

... they can't read, surely!

I wont get into a tit for tat arguement with you as i can see exactly how you intend to answer every debate.

You truely missed the point and your correct Turks dont have text books to feed propoganda bullshit into their childrens heads from young age to hate greeks but i know for a fact that it is in the greek sylibus in Cyprus to brain wash their kids to hate turks and no doubt you was .

Well good luck to hating but i aint droppoing to your digenerate level .

I dont make time in my life to hate people its a awste of valuable time which should be spent being happy and getting on with people.

[Oracle]

You truely missed the point and your correct Turks dont have text books to feed propoganda bullshit into their childrens heads from young age to hate greeks .

Strange why you immediately associate a mention of text books with "propaganda" ...

[Get Real!]

Please note when you make comments that there really is no complete race in Cyprus and this applies to GCs so don't delude yourselves.

I'm not sure what a "complete race" is but can you give an example of another country that satisfies your criteria?

i will answer this for you as i believe you wont have the knowledge to give me the answer as per your ignorant comments is that we are from the mainland Turkey prior to when the ottoman empire conquered Cyprus in the 14th century

We are well aware of the stretch of the Ottoman empire and likely origin of "Turkish Cypriots" but surely you meant "late 16th century"!

Well done for correcting me however the bigger picture is that you are aware that that is our origin and whats the difference in the Turks that came then to the ones coming over now.

Err, no I don't see any difference...

[repulsewarrior]

palio

what do your trnc leaders tell you what lies do they tell you?

The UN and even your leader the EU all support a 2 state solution under a BBF, its not just our leaders you to are supporting the same solution.

your the ones that placed the bomb on your own doorstep

Its a hypothetical comparison as to why you lost 37% of the island you have to understand their is a price to pay for mistakes and GCs played with a dangerous bomb called enosis and it exploded.

our leaders did not accept two states other wise the trnc would today be recognised... how is it a united cyprus when its two states? how ever you put it its partition that is never going to happen..

I give up you obviously do not understand the difference between 2 states and 2 states under a BBF.

also i remember turkey signing away all rights to cyprus how come they ignored that? we also signed more recent documents like 1960.. we can safely say all past agreements are out the window and we need to work on a new one...

Do you know of the guarantee agreements of 1959/60?

one that is not two states in any form. and no our leaders have not accepted two states and are not talking for two states... maybe your leaders tell you that to make you feel better...

You dont know the difference so I give up trying to explain it to you, you need to do some research.

christofias even said in a statement dont believe any lies being soread about what settlement he will be accepting and is negotiating with the trnc fake state leaders for...

Thats why he is going to the UN to discuss a BBF with political equality of the 2 states, so whos lieing now.

vp, it is you that needs to do a little homework. there will be a State, and another level of government where National Assemblies are equal; this is the Bicommunal in BBF. furthermore, Bizonal, by definition can mean anything but tearing the island in two pieces.

...fortunately for you, there are those who clump their Greekness with there being a Freedom which is Universal, but fooling some of the People all the time will not last forever. and for the sake of Mankind, i hope that the UN has not forgotten what this Problem is really about; and what a threat is posed to Human betterment by the thinking you, and those who mirror you, are promoting.

[Nikephoros]

For all the dumb arsed Turkish Cypriot lizards, saying this is not true, here are various Turkish Cypriots giving estimates for the soon to be extinct Turkish Cypriots:

p. 3
Alpay Durduran: Their population is a lot more than we are. Some still think that the population from Turkey is
concentrated around Karpasia and Varosia or that they are around Famagusta. But this is wrong. They
are everywhere. They are at every neighbourhood, at every apartment, in every family. They are the
majority. As we have just said the population from Turkey should be more than 300,000 according to
the 2006 statistics. And when we add the ones that are born here, the ones that are written down as
Cypriots, we see that our population reaches 590,000 together with those that are not yet citizens.
When I say these things they point to the lunatic asylum. And Mr. Talat openly insulted me. And then
they declared me as a racist, giving my name. The Republican Turkish Party representatives visiting
foreign countries say that we are racists and xenophobes. There are those who accept these
accusations and there are those who do not; and there are those who ask questions. I definitely do not
claim to be as such, but I am doing everything possible to protect the Cypriot culture, and the
Cypriotness of this country. In this respect, the population problem is important for us.
Let us now turn to aforementioned 225,000 motorized vehicles and around 400,000 mobile telephone
subscribers. Notice that we are saying subscribers and not the number of phones. There are no such
things in the world.

p. 7
Muharrem Faiz: What is happening in north Cyprus? All these stem from the fact that immigration is seen as a threat.
In the light of all these developments discussions around definitions have increased. While the
meaning of de-facto is being used for foreigners in a given country including tourists, de-jure is used
for people whose permanent residence is within certain borders. For these to come together is not
coincidental; when there was a census in our country in 2006, it was said that to have stayed or
staying in the country for six months was enough to be considered for permanent residency. As it was
accepted as such, it was declared that besides the 265 thousand de-facto population, there was also
256 thousand de-jure population; something not seen in another part of the world. This was because
the permanent residency of a worker from Hatay was declared to be Cyprus, whereas if you had a
child studying abroad he/she was not included in the census. I do not believe that the definition of the
de-jure population in our country is very innocent.


Source: PDF: The demographic composition of the northern part of Cyprus