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[Oracle]

My children are of both however i am begining to realise that perhaps i should influence the Turkish Culture and mind onto them as i have fooled myself into believing that in general greeks are of good nature but it seems that in this forum there seems to be a majority of ignorant substandard CPs with nothing but hatred.
I shall have a lovely turkish life and i shall bring my children up of Turkish culture because they will grow up to learn to respect and have pride unlike the CPS that i have come across this Forum. My wife and her Family must be in a minority as they are proud and respectfull people with intelligence and open minded but if my children are to be exposed to Such substandard generation of people then i rather them be only exposed to Turks .

Seems to me it's you who is the racist looking for any excuse to do what you really want to do, deep down inside. That is, to be a Turk. But, without the stigma of the atrocities well-known against that nation. So, you pretend you are perfect and have been slighted by Greeks. You will "now" bring up your children to be Turks, simply because 4 forumers have attacked your (confused) views on an Internet forum? Better to ban Internet access to your family, my friend.

[denizaksulu]

My children are of both however i am begining to realise that perhaps i should influence the Turkish Culture and mind onto them as i have fooled myself into believing that in general greeks are of good nature but it seems that in this forum there seems to be a majority of ignorant substandard CPs with nothing but hatred.
I shall have a lovely turkish life and i shall bring my children up of Turkish culture because they will grow up to learn to respect and have pride unlike the CPS that i have come across this Forum. My wife and her Family must be in a minority as they are proud and respectfull people with intelligence and open minded but if my children are to be exposed to Such substandard generation of people then i rather them be only exposed to Turks .

Seems to me it's you who is the racist looking for any excuse to do what you really want to do, deep down inside. That is, to be a Turk. But, without the stigma of the atrocities well-known against that nation. So, you pretend you are perfect and have been slighted by Greeks. You will "now" bring up your children to be Turks, simply because 4 forumers have attacked your (confused) views on an Internet forum? Better to ban Internet access to your family, my friend.

Every action has a reaction Oracle. He did not exactly get a warm welcome here did he? I am glad you called him 'your friend'. I am sure you meant it too.

[Viewpoint]

palio

what do your trnc leaders tell you what lies do they tell you?

The UN and even your leader the EU all support a 2 state solution under a BBF, its not just our leaders you to are supporting the same solution.

your the ones that placed the bomb on your own doorstep

Its a hypothetical comparison as to why you lost 37% of the island you have to understand their is a price to pay for mistakes and GCs played with a dangerous bomb called enosis and it exploded.

our leaders did not accept two states other wise the trnc would today be recognised... how is it a united cyprus when its two states? how ever you put it its partition that is never going to happen..

I give up you obviously do not understand the difference between 2 states and 2 states under a BBF.

also i remember turkey signing away all rights to cyprus how come they ignored that? we also signed more recent documents like 1960.. we can safely say all past agreements are out the window and we need to work on a new one...

Do you know of the guarantee agreements of 1959/60?

one that is not two states in any form. and no our leaders have not accepted two states and are not talking for two states... maybe your leaders tell you that to make you feel better...

You dont know the difference so I give up trying to explain it to you, you need to do some research.

christofias even said in a statement dont believe any lies being soread about what settlement he will be accepting and is negotiating with the trnc fake state leaders for...

Thats why he is going to the UN to discuss a BBF with political equality of the 2 states, so whos lieing now.

[paliometoxo]

how ever you put it bff two states under one or partition its the same rubbish to me...

[georgios100]

Martha,

After posting here for over 5 years,I have come to certain conclusions I'd like to share with you...

The notion of Cypriotism is alive and well ONLY with those who do not actually live in Cyprus...

Unless you are married to a member of the "other" community,people here are totally incapable of any human feelings like empathy,compassion,understanding or respect...

The only real solution to the Cyprus problem is to make it compulsory by law for people to marry ONLY someone from the "other" community...

Since that is NOT going to happen the only realistic solution is for the North to be an ethnically cleanesed TC state run by Turkey,and the South to be an ethnically cleased GC state run by those susbscribing to the fanatical TC/Turk hating Hellenic ideology...

All the political arguments here eventually descent into namecalling,insults,and worse with people cleary exhibiting the historical animosity,suspicion,denial,and intense hatred of the "other"...which brought us here in the first place!

Apart from that all is rather rosy here,and we get on like a house on fire...

Hi Bir,

You are giving up on Cyprus as a whole my friend.

The solution is not about race or marriages or hatred or ethnic cleansing by Turkey or others.

The settlement (as I understand it) would put an end to the fragile situation we currently see in Cyprus. Both Turkey & Greece shall be sterilized from their harmful influences on our people. Security will be guarantied for all by the EU.

I see two distinct societies emerging with RoC as a vehicle of representation. An imaginary dividing line would still be there due to language & religion reasons only. The race issue must be, and will be out of the picture.

In time, under the EU umbrella, all our differences will be resolved. The citizens of Cyprus will be European Cypriots omitting the GC/TC divisional naming.

When asked where I come from, I say I am Cypriot, period. No need to say "Greek Cypriot".

Pure utopia this maybe the long term goal but we are still unable to agree a structure that will take us there, this has been the problem for over 50 years. We thought "Cypriots" could find a solution but no thats not the case as you can see from the ongoing talks which have produced nothing.

I tend to agree with you VP.

If someone would sit back and examine the 36 year long effort to resolve the problem, the conclusion would be = politicians from both sides are unable to reach an agreement for a variety of reasons.

There must be another way to approach the Cyprob by-passing the current political participants, since "their hands are tied".

Some time ago, I proposed to examine Binding Arbitration(BA) as a last resort to solving the problem. Of course, the idea was rejected immediately from both sides. Reason = BA is not fail proof.

Well, I guess another 36 years is imminent or preferred. Back to the drawing board, I'm afraid.

That's why I agree with time frames and support 100% what Bağıs proposed lock the leaders into a camp situation and don't let them out until a solution is found, that would force every one's hand to find a solution. No time frames no solution our leaders could try and negotiate for years to come and still not find a solution.

What Bagis suggested works for the Vatican but will not work for the Cyprob simply because whatever is agreed upon in that locked room must be ratified thru a referendum by the 2 communities. Unfortunately, the voters of both communities are influenced by the political patries (south & north) which are lacking unity. The referendum might, again, be inconclusive or negative. We've being there before (Annan plan fiasco).

Binding Arbitration prohibits referendums, a clear cut & final solution, end of story.

[Kikapu]

The “Turkish Cypriots” have gradually completely ousted themselves from Cyprus… both politically (100%) and physically (50%), through a series of badly miscalculated policies and maneuvers over the last 50 odd years.

They are now the most desperate people on the planet looking for anything to grab onto but I think it’s too late for them.

The Cyprus problem is no longer an internal issue of ethnic strife that used to be summarized as GC Vs TC, but an international dispute of Cyprus Vs Turkey and UN Resolutions at its core.

You are right now all you have to do is deal with that 70 million tide called Turkey good luck youll need it.

In actuality VP, it is 70 million Turks vs. 500 million EU citizens and that 500 million number is on the increase with every new membership joining the "Christian Club", therefore, it is no longer 70 million Turks against the RoC, but 70 million against the EU. Now do you understand why the RoC became an EU member and why the EU took the RoC as a EU member. Could it be that the EU has no intentions in ever letting Turkey take over the island of Cyprus and that at best is to keep Turkey at bay from ever becoming an EU member by allowing Turkey to occupy 37% of the island until the time comes to rectify the problem, if and when Turkey itself breaks up due to it's own internal "civil war" by those who want to be part of the West and those who want to be part of the East, no doubt initiated by the Americans. That's when the dust will settle regarding the Cyprus issue, and all the remaining TCs will then become minority citizens of the RoC and all the Illegal Alien settlers will be given the choice to become part of Turkey that is in the West or the part that's in the East, before their return back to their motherland.!

Lots of ifs but the tide is on its way the EU have done jack shit to help the GCs they have only used them to create excuses, the EU cannot stop the flood of Turks which have started to infiltrate the south and will over the years become a problem for the GCs, they have taken over the north as you yourself claim its only a matter of time when they will take the south as well and the GCs can do nothing about it.

The EU has done a great deal for the RoC already actually. The fact that the RoC is in the EU, there can no longer be such plans for a settlement like the Annan Plan. The EU principles will not allow for it to happen. You can no longer blame the RoC for not accepting any undemocratic and Human Rights violations to be in any settlement, which you claim is a must in order to give the TCs an edge over the GCs. You will need to take your complaints to the EU as to why they won't allow anything you may want, and they have told you over and over again in many different ways that any unification has to abide by the EU principles, hence the reason why no direct trade, direct flights, no recognition and lets not forget the Orams case, where the GC refugees are still the owners of their properties in the north, even if they can't enjoy them. When the time comes, you are going to have a lot of those living in the north paying rent to the GCs for having built on their land, as well as back rent too.. Talk about loss of property values in the north big time when that would happen. The north is safe as long as Turkey stays out of the EU and as long as Turkey stays intact as one country. Any changes to the contrary, then all bets are off for the north.!

If you are talking about the 37% of occupied north, then as far as the EU is concern, that will take care of itself when Turkey really wants to become a EU member, and if not, then the north stays as is and going no where fast. As far as the Turks flooding the south, that may just be a wishful thinking on your part, just as the Annan Plan was, because the AP would have allowed the Turks to flood the whole island in time, and as citizens of Cyprus and not just as Illegal Aliens as they are mostly now.!

[MARTHA]

Hi
Interesting .
Can i join this discussion ?
There is no such Race as a cypriot same as there is no such race as being British .
I can respond in the same manner . I am British i speak english but i am not English .
But if i am asked am i English i would have to say no i am not.
This would be the same question put to Palio .
Bear in mind there is no race termed as Cypriot .
What race are you Palio and please dont say Cypriot because if you ask me what race i am i will answer you in the same context as you that i am a British race which does not exist.
Cypriot does not depict the race you are only the country your from just like me i am from the UK my race is not UK LOL

well, my perants are cypriot their perants are cypriot and before them cypriot.. oh sorry you say there is no such thing as cypriot, where born and raised in cyprus we speak greek. so you tell me what does that make me... greek? we are all greek and turkish?

there is such thing as british.... just like there is cypriot or american or russian or romanian or german....

so i cant really answer you the way you want. you tell me in your opinion what does it make me...?

and its nice to see such forward person on the forum who is married to a gc with kids and can see past the problems in cyprus and live happily together like some people on here believe we would kill each other and need two states in cyprus.. this is a perfect example of how we can live together..

btw i thought you where a girl martha is a girls name lol... but i know one turkish guy his name is sofi and in turkish i am told thats a common guys name..

well any way there is my reply..

Hi

I believe there is no such race as a Cypriot . I have not seen in any historical documents to suggest there is a Cypriot Race .
It just does not exist .
I agree yes we are Cypriots but that is not a identification of a race.
America has the indians as original settlers and they partially still exist.
Australia has the aboriginis as the original settlers .
You or i are not the original settlers .
Persians were one of the first settlers but still they were not of Cypriot Race.

[MARTHA]

Please note when you make comments that there really is no complete race in Cyprus and this applies to GCs so don't delude yourselves.

I'm not sure what a "complete race" is but can you give an example of another country that satisfies your criteria?

i will answer this for you as i believe you wont have the knowledge to give me the answer as per your ignorant comments is that we are from the mainland Turkey prior to when the ottoman empire conquered Cyprus in the 14th century

We are well aware of the stretch of the Ottoman empire and likely origin of "Turkish Cypriots" but surely you meant "late 16th century"!

Well done for correcting me however the bigger picture is that you are aware that that is our origin and whats the difference in the Turks that came then to the ones coming over now.

[paliometoxo]

Hi
Interesting .
Can i join this discussion ?
There is no such Race as a cypriot same as there is no such race as being British .
I can respond in the same manner . I am British i speak english but i am not English .
But if i am asked am i English i would have to say no i am not.
This would be the same question put to Palio .
Bear in mind there is no race termed as Cypriot .
What race are you Palio and please dont say Cypriot because if you ask me what race i am i will answer you in the same context as you that i am a British race which does not exist.
Cypriot does not depict the race you are only the country your from just like me i am from the UK my race is not UK LOL

well, my perants are cypriot their perants are cypriot and before them cypriot.. oh sorry you say there is no such thing as cypriot, where born and raised in cyprus we speak greek. so you tell me what does that make me... greek? we are all greek and turkish?

there is such thing as british.... just like there is cypriot or american or russian or romanian or german....

so i cant really answer you the way you want. you tell me in your opinion what does it make me...?

and its nice to see such forward person on the forum who is married to a gc with kids and can see past the problems in cyprus and live happily together like some people on here believe we would kill each other and need two states in cyprus.. this is a perfect example of how we can live together..

btw i thought you where a girl martha is a girls name lol... but i know one turkish guy his name is sofi and in turkish i am told thats a common guys name..

well any way there is my reply..

Hi

I believe there is no such race as a Cypriot . I have not seen in any historical documents to suggest there is a Cypriot Race .
It just does not exist .
I agree yes we are Cypriots but that is not a identification of a race.
America has the indians as original settlers and they partially still exist.
Australia has the aboriginis as the original settlers .
You or i are not the original settlers .
Persians were one of the first settlers but still they were not of Cypriot Race.

so what do you believe we are? greek/turkish cypriot? or something else? greek and turkish?

[MARTHA]

Martha,
After you hit the quote button you need to go to the bottom of that box and type your response before posting...It is not difficult..I was technically challenged like you seem to be,but managed to get the hang of it...You can do it,mate...Just try it now...Respond to me...

Hi are you ok

Thanks for your help. Just to clarify things the username is my wifes and keep telling all that i am a man TC wife GC .
I think i have perhaps confused a few people .

Great to see you have found your way around the quotes,Martha...
Don't worry,only those who wnat to be confused were confused about your gender...You explained very early in this thread that you were a man and you were married to a GC...

There are some poeple here who have no intention of having a sensible discussion about anything...Their minds are brainwashed, and all that comes out of their mouths are hatred,bitterness,and insults...You will do well to ignore them and keep on making a positive contribution to the forum...You are in a very good position to convince us that we are all human beings first,our race,nationality,or ethnicity should not define us...

And we should not use the past historical events to justify our racism and prejudices...Cypriots are a traumatised nation. Some more traumatised than others...You should make some allowances for the fact that the GC and TC collective consciousness are deeply wounded...some here are taking advantage of that to push their own political and propaganda angles,and to relieve their gulity consciences by attacking the "Other" community...You will in time sort these people out,and learn to treat them the same way they like to treat others...It is the only language they understand.Keep on reminding us that before everything else we are humans...Humans who deserve respect,empathy,and compassion...

Thanks and appreciate your support