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Question: If Turkey pays, does it also mean that they actually BOUGHT what was paid for?

Who is this guy?

If you get a fine for parking illegally, does that mean you then OWN the road?

That was just Fanos (ex or current journalist extraordinaire) having trouble understanding the word "damages"!

[Kikapu]

How many years will it take you to understand you are wrong? If the EU do nothing and Turkey is no longer a candidate for EU membership, with 1 million population in the north and still no solution will you look back and think how stupid you were?

If you really believe in the above statement, VP, are you then not stating, that had the AP passed, there still would have been 1 million Turks in Cyprus, all over Cyprus, only this time as legal citizens of Cyprus, citizenship issued to them by the north state. I mean, what would have stopped them from coming, you, the insignificant TCs without any political power or a vote in the north!

Totally wrong again, the important part of my post you have chosen to ignore without a solution the numbers will increase as is the case today had the AP of been voted through strict rules would have been put in place to curb the flow in and not give citizenship to those who chose to live and work here with work permits rather than voting rights that come with citizenship. Plus the AP would of also sent a hugh number of settlers back to Turkey witht he blessing of the TCs but of course we all know the GCs reject this idea.

No VP, I did not miss any part of your post. Please don't make yourself look like a fool and at the same time try to insult others intelligence by saying that the AP would have sent settlers back in great numbers, if anyone at all. Upon AP passing, each state would have done as they wished and the "Founding Agreements" would have been ignored, just because they would have been with the provisions that was in the AP as seen in the quote below. Pay special attention to this, "There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}." The AP was ONLY going to benefit Turkey to do as she wished by having guarantor rights all over Cyprus, direct control of the north state, bring in as many Turks to make them citizens of Cyprus through the north state, as well as have influence in the EU, once again through the north state. I'm not even getting into each state also having the ability to secede from the union to become sovereign states and retain their EU membership status. If you cannot even acknowledge these simple and basics facts on how things would have been in Cyprus had the AP passed in 2004 only makes you either a very gullible individual ignorant of the facts and foresight, which you can be excused for, or you know what would have happened as I described above and are pretending to be ignorant and are just making propaganda on Turkey's behalf and against the interests of Cyprus and against all Cypriots, which you cannot be excused for. Take your pick.?

"The {common state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {component states} under this Constitution. Each {component state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {common state} or the other {component state} under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}."





[Viewpoint]

How many years will it take you to understand you are wrong? If the EU do nothing and Turkey is no longer a candidate for EU membership, with 1 million population in the north and still no solution will you look back and think how stupid you were?

If you really believe in the above statement, VP, are you then not stating, that had the AP passed, there still would have been 1 million Turks in Cyprus, all over Cyprus, only this time as legal citizens of Cyprus, citizenship issued to them by the north state. I mean, what would have stopped them from coming, you, the insignificant TCs without any political power or a vote in the north!

Totally wrong again, the important part of my post you have chosen to ignore without a solution the numbers will increase as is the case today had the AP of been voted through strict rules would have been put in place to curb the flow in and not give citizenship to those who chose to live and work here with work permits rather than voting rights that come with citizenship. Plus the AP would of also sent a hugh number of settlers back to Turkey witht he blessing of the TCs but of course we all know the GCs reject this idea.

No VP, I did not miss any part of your post. Please don't make yourself look like a fool and at the same time try to insult others intelligence by saying that the AP would have sent settlers back in great numbers, if anyone at all. Upon AP passing, each state would have done as they wished and the "Founding Agreements" would have been ignored, just because they would have been with the provisions that was in the AP as seen in the quote below. Pay special attention to this, "There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}." The AP was ONLY going to benefit Turkey to do as she wished by having guarantor rights all over Cyprus, direct control of the north state, bring in as many Turks to make them citizens of Cyprus through the north state, as well as have influence in the EU, once again through the north state. I'm not even getting into each state also having the ability to secede from the union to become sovereign states and retain their EU membership status. If you cannot even acknowledge these simple and basics facts on how things would have been in Cyprus had the AP passed in 2004 only makes you either a very gullible individual ignorant of the facts and foresight, which you can be excused for, or you know what would have happened as I described above and are pretending to be ignorant and are just making propaganda on Turkey's behalf and against the interests of Cyprus and against all Cypriots, which you cannot be excused for. Take your pick.?

"The {common state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {component states} under this Constitution. Each {component state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {common state} or the other {component state} under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}."





Total rubbish the agreement was to reduce the figure of settlers down to 50.000 and stop the tide once and for all, GC rejection has not only allowed the influx to continue but to increase the numbers will continue to go add to this the passing of time which just bring new generation born her eon the island and in 10 years the GCs will be begging for partition. You can continue your campaign of scaremongering and demonizing the AP because only small minded GCs buy your bullshit but you will see over time that conditions for a solution will continue to deteriorate and it will the GCs that will be wishing they had said YES.

[Kikapu]

How many years will it take you to understand you are wrong? If the EU do nothing and Turkey is no longer a candidate for EU membership, with 1 million population in the north and still no solution will you look back and think how stupid you were?

If you really believe in the above statement, VP, are you then not stating, that had the AP passed, there still would have been 1 million Turks in Cyprus, all over Cyprus, only this time as legal citizens of Cyprus, citizenship issued to them by the north state. I mean, what would have stopped them from coming, you, the insignificant TCs without any political power or a vote in the north!

Totally wrong again, the important part of my post you have chosen to ignore without a solution the numbers will increase as is the case today had the AP of been voted through strict rules would have been put in place to curb the flow in and not give citizenship to those who chose to live and work here with work permits rather than voting rights that come with citizenship. Plus the AP would of also sent a hugh number of settlers back to Turkey witht he blessing of the TCs but of course we all know the GCs reject this idea.

No VP, I did not miss any part of your post. Please don't make yourself look like a fool and at the same time try to insult others intelligence by saying that the AP would have sent settlers back in great numbers, if anyone at all. Upon AP passing, each state would have done as they wished and the "Founding Agreements" would have been ignored, just because they would have been with the provisions that was in the AP as seen in the quote below. Pay special attention to this, "There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}." The AP was ONLY going to benefit Turkey to do as she wished by having guarantor rights all over Cyprus, direct control of the north state, bring in as many Turks to make them citizens of Cyprus through the north state, as well as have influence in the EU, once again through the north state. I'm not even getting into each state also having the ability to secede from the union to become sovereign states and retain their EU membership status. If you cannot even acknowledge these simple and basics facts on how things would have been in Cyprus had the AP passed in 2004 only makes you either a very gullible individual ignorant of the facts and foresight, which you can be excused for, or you know what would have happened as I described above and are pretending to be ignorant and are just making propaganda on Turkey's behalf and against the interests of Cyprus and against all Cypriots, which you cannot be excused for. Take your pick.?

"The {common state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {component states} under this Constitution. Each {component state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {common state} or the other {component state} under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}."





Total rubbish the agreement was to reduce the figure of settlers down to 50.000 and stop the tide once and for all, GC rejection has not only allowed the influx to continue but to increase the numbers will continue to go add to this the passing of time which just bring new generation born her eon the island and in 10 years the GCs will be begging for partition. You can continue your campaign of scaremongering and demonizing the AP because only small minded GCs buy your bullshit but you will see over time that conditions for a solution will continue to deteriorate and it will the GCs that will be wishing they had said YES.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us which one of the two is your position

a) that you are very gullible individual who is ignorant of the facts and foresight

or

b) you are just making propaganda on Turkey's behalf and against the interests of Cyprus and against all Cypriots.

"The {common state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {component states} under this Constitution. Each {component state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {common state} or the other {component state} under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states.}"

Which part of the above quote don't you understand from the AP that you continue to write your above post.? Don't you understand, that what ever was in the "Foundation Agreements" was worthless against what the above article in the quote was able to do. It makes it even more useless when you add the below to the above quote, which the whole BBF would have functioned as a Confederation, and having lived in Switzerland for a while now, I know that each Canton gives out citizenships as they see fit, and so would have the north state to the Turks, about 70 million of them to become citizens of Cyprus if the north remained in the union or 70 million EU citizens if the north seceded from the union, OR, once enough Turks were made citizens of Cyprus and living in the south, a simple referendum between the two states to do away with the BBF and have a Unitary State in Cyprus instead.!!!

Article 2 The United Cyprus Republic, its federal government, and its constituent states

1.The status and relationship of the United Cyprus Republic, its federal government, and its constituent states, is modeled on the status and relationship of Switzerland, its federal government, and its cantons

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