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[erolz]

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 8&cat_id=1

I am not sure if this article has already been linked to here or not. If it has appologies.

[Piratis]

They even blame the coup exclusively on the Junta, as if the previous three years of EOKA B activity had never happened.

Maybe he is present only in events by parties that supported "yes" (DISY) and thats why he doesn't hear anything about EOKA B. EOKA B is almost always mentioned along with junta when we talk about the treason.


He is right in some points about the "all or nothing" but he forgets that TCs did the same mistake. The Annan plan was all for TCs and nothing for us. So the rejection of this plan was the only option we had.

In the 60s, as Drousiotis said, we had the upper hand and instead of accepting what would have been an improved 1960 constitution, we insisted on getting almost everything. That was a mistake.

In 2004, the Turks had the upper hand, but instead of accepting a type of BBF that would be acceptable from the GCs, they insisted on having almost everything their way, which had as a consequence the GCs to have no alternative other than rejecting this plan. We will never regret for our choice this time, but the time will come that the Turkish side will regret for asking for too much when they had the upper hand.

P.S. Unlike all other cases, in 2004 the decision was not taken by some leader but by the GCs themselves in a referendum. Drousiotis seems to forget this.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

but the time will come that the Turkish side will regret for asking for too much when they had the upper hand.

We had the upper hand?? do you know what you are talking about??
regret??? just wait and see as you have no other option with your current administration.....what will develop over the next 5 to 10 you will not like imo of course...

[Othellos]

The Annan plan was all for TCs and nothing for us. So the rejection of this plan was the only option we had.

I disagree. From Feb 2003 when he was elected President till March 2004 when the final version of the UN plan was presented, Papadopoulos could have sought a better solution but he didn't. Yes, I am aware that Denktash was sitting on the other side of the table and that he never wanted any kind of a solution. I am also aware that Ankara was not particularly thrilled about removing eventually its troops from Cyprus and returning part of our lands that are now under occupation. Yet they had no other option but to sit down and discuss a solution plan for the first time after 30 whole years. And what was Papadopoulos' reaction to all this? He let it all pass by without even trying to get something positive out of it. And this to the delight of the Turkish side who made sure to make a YES vote even harder for GCs by being even more greedy and insisiting (for example) on lower returning refugee percentages - from 30% to 21% and then to 18%. Beyond that, TassosP had no problem to sit there and take most if not all of the blame for the impasse that followed and that is still in effect.

Now and to the delightment of Turkey, we can all sit and wait for ever about that new initiative that will put the Cy problem back on a solution track. The question is who will even bother to start such an initiative after all this? As long as Tassos Papadopoulos is the President, I have no answer to this question. No worries though....Lilikas (minister of commerce) said just a couple of months ago that a solution can wait for 25 more years if necessary.

O.

[Bananiot]

That was a slip of the tongue Othellos, he wasn't supposed to say this. He was heavily repremanded by Papadopoulos for this, because that statement made Christofias's ears turn red since AKEL's commisar needs to show the herd that there is movement on the Cyprob on account of the forthcoming Parliamentary elections. All sheep need to be counted and for this to happen, movement is of vital importance.

[Piratis]

I voted "No", am I a sheep too according to you dear Bananiot?

Papadopoulos could have sought a better solution but he didn't.

Like what better solution? Gaining a small percentage here and there?
I hope you understand that minor adjustments to this plan is not what would make it satisfactory to the majority.

[Bananiot]

I was referring to party faithful who will always cheer the party line. You are not a sheep.

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[Othellos]

Like what better solution? Gaining a small percentage here and there?
I hope you understand that minor adjustments to this plan is not what would make it satisfactory to the majority.

I suppose that this question can only be answered by Papadopoulos. My point however was that in the 13 months he had in his disposal between the day he was elected President and the day the referendum was held, Papadopoulos did little to seek improvements to the plan. What I do not understand is why does he still describe this plan as a "basis for a solution" when it is totally unacceptable?

O.

[Bananiot]

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[-mikkie2-]

I suppose that this question can only be answered by Papadopoulos. My point however was that in the 13 months he had in his disposal between the day he was elected President and the day the referendum was held, Papadopoulos did little to seek improvements to the plan. What I do not understand is why does he still describe this plan as a "basis for a solution" when it is totally unacceptable?

Othellos,

I think your question is partly answered by what is currently going on between the EU and Turkey. Papadopoulos is shrewed if nothing else. I think he is playing a high risk game to extract as much out of the Turks as possible. The problem is, at the negotiating table Turkey has not been particularly ameanable or conciliatory towards us in the past. They have been negotiating from the position of strength. That is not conducive to us achieving a solution that is deemed to be fair and balanced. Unfortunately, if we had voted 'yes' to the Annan plan, even if we got certain things such as Karpasia back, we would have absolutely no power to change anything after a 'solution'. We would have been a state in limbo and a state that couldn't go against Turkish wishes.

At least at the moment we are masters of our own destiny. Unfortunately for the TC's, they are masters of nothing!