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[CrookedRiverGuy]

Nothing the matter with American society /.../ judge a nation by the laws it enacts and its commitment to civilized behavior and not by the behaviour of a minority .

Let me guess... You are thinking about Guantánamo detention camp, right?

[Get Real!]

Nothing the matter with American society /.../ judge a nation by the laws it enacts and its commitment to civilized behavior and not by the behaviour of a minority .

Let me guess... You are thinking about Guantánamo detention camp, right?

[Me Ed]

Schnauzer,

I was born and raised in the UK from Cypriot/GC parents.

As I grew up, I was fed this myth that the "english" had lower morals.

When I grew up and escaped the greek cypriot bubble (pardon the pun), that my parents had me in when I was a young child, I got to know the english very well and soon learned that there morals are no better or no worse than anyone else.

The english are amongst some of the nicest people you could ever meet and I urge you to get to know them before judging them so harshly. Miltiades is absolutely right; when disaster strikes, the english are the first to dig very deep into their pockets to help out.

I have a neice who came over from Cyprus a few weeks ago to study in University and I asked her if she has ever know any english people and she said no.

I told her the english are some of the nicest people she could ever meet, sure they like a drink, but you will find they are OK.

When I asked her mum how she was getting on, she said OK, she's met some Cypriots.

Groan

Having travelled extensively and not wishing to generalise on the 'Moral Conduct' of the populations ANY nation, I feel that I can quite safely indicate that the Western cultures display a cavalier disregard for civilised conduct which serves to elevate the behaviour of other nations considerably.

The U.S.A. is (in my humble opinion) probably THE most decadent society on the face of the earth and I make no apology for stating such an opinion, the moral standards exhibited throughout that nation are a disgrace to humanity, the influence they have had (and are in the process of having) on other nations, can only result in the destruction of the moral fabric of ANY nation that either emulates their society OR is forced to adopt it's standards.

Obviously there are decent and respectable folk everywhere, the pity IS, that they are gradually being cajoled (or forced) into accepting codes of conduct which will ultimately drag them into the same quagmire of filth occupied by the said nation.

Unfortunately, the signs of degredation have rapidly appeared in the U.K. and throughout Europe, the Eastern cultures are now under severe threat, as are the highly (and enviably in my opinion) cultures of many African societies similarly under constant threat.

Let us now join together in a 'Bleating' of "What about Zimbabwe, Kenya and a multitude of other areas of the African continent" whose only fault seems to be that they are vigorously resisting the decadent influences of the 'White Man' who apparently have much to teach.

Ok, what are these signs of degredation in the UK that you have observed?

My apologies to Me Ed for not responding to your question, I can only offer the excuse of having mistook your comment for yet another quite meaningless dig from the direction of my old friend miltiades.

As to the signs of degradation I have observed in the U.K. (which is worthy of an answer) I can state that I have noticed (and experienced) a legion of changes which have been to the detriment of the U.K., the unfortunate affects of such changes are clearly visible to any person who can make comparisons between,

(a) How the general population of the U.K. WERE 20 years ago (or as in my case 30 years) taking account of the general disposition of the said population, it's hopes, it's attitudes towards acceptable behaviour and it's awareness of the fact that moral standards (particularly among the youth of the nation ) were in danger of deteriorating, primarily on account of what could be loosely described as 'Drug Culture'.........and

(b) The current acceptance of those detrimental issues, which now are seemingly regarded as 'The Norm'.

One may point the finger of blame towards the influx of foreign residents, abuse of the social services, failure of communication between schools and parents, breakdown of marriages, single parent families, scroungers, racism and a multitude of other issues, many of which ALSO existed prior to the period I highlight YET, not quite so visible.

A very common statement these latter days, seems to be that the U.K. is becoming more like the U.S.A. and the ambitions of the young no longer focuses on what they may achieve by using their skills, rather more what they may receive by using their wiles.

I personally regard the exported influence of the U.S.A (and it's decadent culture) as one of the greatest sources of deterioration to any nation that becomes contaminated by it, unfortunately, the U.K. governed by it's weak political leaders has fallen foul, I doubt it will ever recover from the disease it has contracted.

(IMHO)

Schnauzer,

oh, now I see where you are coming from.

You are exhibiting the typical attitudes of someone who is getting older and blaming the young for all of life ills - and oh yes, the younger generation often get on my nerves too.

However, this attitude of the older generation towards young has always existed and is nothing new, but the good news is that they all grow out of it.

[miltiades]

Nothing the matter with American society /.../ judge a nation by the laws it enacts and its commitment to civilized behavior and not by the behaviour of a minority .

Let me guess... You are thinking about Guantánamo detention camp, right?

NO MATE I HAD IN MIND THE GREATEST CONSTITUTION A NATION HAS EVER HAD !!
Freedom of speech , equality under the laws of the land , human rights protected by the Constitution, freedom of faith , freedom to come and go into the USA as you like.
Are you comparing the USA with the shit that you and plonker GR support ??

[CrookedRiverGuy]

Nothing the matter with American society /.../ judge a nation by the laws it enacts and its commitment to civilized behavior and not by the behaviour of a minority .

Let me guess... You are thinking about Guantánamo detention camp, right?

NO MATE I HAD IN MIND THE GREATEST CONSTITUTION A NATION HAS EVER HAD !!
Freedom of speech , equality under the laws of the land , human rights protected by the Constitution, freedom of faith , freedom to come and go into the USA as you like.
Are you comparing the USA with the shit that you and plonker GR support ??

Give me a break... Many European states, Australia and Japan are ranked higher. Have a look at ie. the human development report.

[miltiades]

Nothing the matter with American society /.../ judge a nation by the laws it enacts and its commitment to civilized behavior and not by the behaviour of a minority .

Let me guess... You are thinking about Guantánamo detention camp, right?

NO MATE I HAD IN MIND THE GREATEST CONSTITUTION A NATION HAS EVER HAD !!
Freedom of speech , equality under the laws of the land , human rights protected by the Constitution, freedom of faith , freedom to come and go into the USA as you like.
Are you comparing the USA with the shit that you and plonker GR support ??

Give me a break... Many European states, Australia and Japan are ranked higher. Have a look at ie. the human development report.

Thanks to America they do !!!

[Schnauzer]

Schnauzer,

I was born and raised in the UK from Cypriot/GC parents.

As I grew up, I was fed this myth that the "english" had lower morals.

When I grew up and escaped the greek cypriot bubble (pardon the pun), that my parents had me in when I was a young child, I got to know the english very well and soon learned that there morals are no better or no worse than anyone else.

The english are amongst some of the nicest people you could ever meet and I urge you to get to know them before judging them so harshly. Miltiades is absolutely right; when disaster strikes, the english are the first to dig very deep into their pockets to help out.

I have a neice who came over from Cyprus a few weeks ago to study in University and I asked her if she has ever know any english people and she said no.

I told her the english are some of the nicest people she could ever meet, sure they like a drink, but you will find they are OK.

When I asked her mum how she was getting on, she said OK, she's met some Cypriots.

Groan

Having travelled extensively and not wishing to generalise on the 'Moral Conduct' of the populations ANY nation, I feel that I can quite safely indicate that the Western cultures display a cavalier disregard for civilised conduct which serves to elevate the behaviour of other nations considerably.

The U.S.A. is (in my humble opinion) probably THE most decadent society on the face of the earth and I make no apology for stating such an opinion, the moral standards exhibited throughout that nation are a disgrace to humanity, the influence they have had (and are in the process of having) on other nations, can only result in the destruction of the moral fabric of ANY nation that either emulates their society OR is forced to adopt it's standards.

Obviously there are decent and respectable folk everywhere, the pity IS, that they are gradually being cajoled (or forced) into accepting codes of conduct which will ultimately drag them into the same quagmire of filth occupied by the said nation.

Unfortunately, the signs of degredation have rapidly appeared in the U.K. and throughout Europe, the Eastern cultures are now under severe threat, as are the highly (and enviably in my opinion) cultures of many African societies similarly under constant threat.

Let us now join together in a 'Bleating' of "What about Zimbabwe, Kenya and a multitude of other areas of the African continent" whose only fault seems to be that they are vigorously resisting the decadent influences of the 'White Man' who apparently have much to teach.

Ok, what are these signs of degredation in the UK that you have observed?

My apologies to Me Ed for not responding to your question, I can only offer the excuse of having mistook your comment for yet another quite meaningless dig from the direction of my old friend miltiades.

As to the signs of degradation I have observed in the U.K. (which is worthy of an answer) I can state that I have noticed (and experienced) a legion of changes which have been to the detriment of the U.K., the unfortunate affects of such changes are clearly visible to any person who can make comparisons between,

(a) How the general population of the U.K. WERE 20 years ago (or as in my case 30 years) taking account of the general disposition of the said population, it's hopes, it's attitudes towards acceptable behaviour and it's awareness of the fact that moral standards (particularly among the youth of the nation ) were in danger of deteriorating, primarily on account of what could be loosely described as 'Drug Culture'.........and

(b) The current acceptance of those detrimental issues, which now are seemingly regarded as 'The Norm'.

One may point the finger of blame towards the influx of foreign residents, abuse of the social services, failure of communication between schools and parents, breakdown of marriages, single parent families, scroungers, racism and a multitude of other issues, many of which ALSO existed prior to the period I highlight YET, not quite so visible.

A very common statement these latter days, seems to be that the U.K. is becoming more like the U.S.A. and the ambitions of the young no longer focuses on what they may achieve by using their skills, rather more what they may receive by using their wiles.

I personally regard the exported influence of the U.S.A (and it's decadent culture) as one of the greatest sources of deterioration to any nation that becomes contaminated by it, unfortunately, the U.K. governed by it's weak political leaders has fallen foul, I doubt it will ever recover from the disease it has contracted.

(IMHO)

Schnauzer,

oh, now I see where you are coming from.

You are exhibiting the typical attitudes of someone who is getting older and blaming the young for all of life ills - and oh yes, the younger generation often get on my nerves too.

However, this attitude of the older generation towards young has always existed and is nothing new, but the good news is that they all grow out of it.

Well Me Ed, I will have to concede that I am of the older generation since I obviously am, as to my exhibiting typical attitudes, I must protest most vigorously in defence of them for I am convinced that they are very far from 'Typical'.

I have worked very closely with the young of many nations and am therefore extremely well qualified to make the comparisons I have made between those of the East and those of the West.

The most obvious difference between the two 'Cultures' (for want of a more suitable division) is that those of Eastern persuasion, even though many may reside in the West, is that they have an enormous amount of respect for themselves and their families.

It is wrong to generalise BUT, once one accepts that the cultural niceties of a respectable society can be been eroded by the influences of a somewhat less respectable one, it is easier to make assessments of the differences.

One very small example relevant to the Cypriot society ( of which I know you to be connected with) which may seem to be minor but nonetheless is quite endearing, is the custom of kissing the hand of one's Grandparents.

Such respect is not seen among Western societies and in fact, is mostly ridiculed by any Westerner that may observe such respect (and I speak from experience).

One might accept that the faults of the younger generation are attributable to the one that went before BUT, I would not accept that MY parents would stand mute whilst their offspring adopted the attitudes of disrespect that are now so common.

Apparently nowadays, such concern as to the welfare and upbringing of the young is left to the young themselves, 'Streetwise' being another small example of what the American society gifted to the once quite amiable youth of the U.K. (and other hitherto fairly well balanced areas this side of 'The Pond').

[CrookedRiverGuy]

Thanks to America they do !!!

Oh yeah; what an excuse for lagging behind!

[miltiades]

Guantono what ???
Take a look at the links below mate !
http://www.greatachievements.org/?id=2984

http://composite.about.com/od/inthenews/l/blnae1.htm

http://library.thinkquest.org/C007481/

[Paphitis]

Nothing the matter with American society /.../ judge a nation by the laws it enacts and its commitment to civilized behavior and not by the behaviour of a minority .

Let me guess... You are thinking about Guantánamo detention camp, right?

NO MATE I HAD IN MIND THE GREATEST CONSTITUTION A NATION HAS EVER HAD !!
Freedom of speech , equality under the laws of the land , human rights protected by the Constitution, freedom of faith , freedom to come and go into the USA as you like.
Are you comparing the USA with the shit that you and plonker GR support ??

Give me a break... Many European states, Australia and Japan are ranked higher. Have a look at ie. the human development report.

Thanks to America they do !!!

Let me tell you this! We Australians spit on America and owe the bastards absolutely nothing!

We as a nation have built ourselves up from zero and only have our ancestors to thank!

America can get stuffed, because they got nothing on us, Japan or many other EU States!