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WorldBulletin.net, Turkey
Oct 23 2010


Turkish minister says EU's need for Turkey increases day by day


"It is a shame that Turkish citizens still have to deal with visa
proceedings while citizens of countries which have not yet even
started accession talks, Bagis said
Saturday, 23 October 2010 11:39

Turkish State Minister & chief negotiator for the European Union talks
Egemen Bagis said, "Europe's need for Turkey increases day by day."

Speaking at a dinner hosted prior to the 7th Bogazici Conference on
Turkey-the European Union relations, Bagis said, "now, Turkey feels
itself more determined, more powerful and more courageous both
economically and politically in its European Union accession process
than ever. Turkey reached an 11 percent growth rate in the first half
of the year. Under the light of the difficulties faced by the European
Union, we have a new slogan: Turkey will save Europe."

"Eventually, Turkey will complete the accession negotiations. Europe's
need for Turkey increases day by day. We will become a full member of
the European Union," he said.

Bagis said, "another expectation of Turkish people is more cooperation
in fight against terrorism. Any country cannot fight against terror on
its own. We want concrete cooperation."

"It is a shame that Turkish citizens still have to deal with visa
proceedings while citizens of countries which have not yet even
started accession talks with the European Union, are able to travel to
the European-Union countries easily. We do not expect all 27 member
countries to put an end to visa proceedings in a day. But we need to
start to find a solution," he said.

Cyprus issue

Commenting on Cyprus issue, Bagis said that this issue was not a joke
any more, adding that some of the EU countries were hiding behind this
island.

Noting that Greek Cypriot leader rejected a recent invitation of UN
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to hold a tripartite meeting with
Turkish Cypriot leader in New York, Bagis said that this was another
failed initiative, adding that this was another objection to
international community's initiative to end the division in the
island.

Bagis said that if British Airways and Air France were ready to fly to
Ercan Airport in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), then
Turkey was ready to open its ports to Greek Cypriot traffic.

He said that Greek Cypriot administration was preventing other members
of the EU to set commercial relations and to travel to TRNC.

Bagis noted that Turkey could not advance in chapter headings in its
EU membership negotiations because of the veto of Greek Cypriot
administration, adding that Turkey could not open energy chapter
heading again because of Greek Cypriot veto, however, there was
currently an energy crisis in Europe and Turkey was able to meet
nearly 70 percent energy demand of Europe.

It is now time to wake up for the EU, and the EU should start to ask
for its own interests, said Bagis.

Bagis also said that dark days were over in Turkey.

Recalling that rites were held in Sumela Monastery in Turkey's Black
Sea province of Trabzon a month ago and in historical Armenian church
in eastern province of Van a few weeks ago, Bagis said that Turkish
people near Black Sea and Lake Van hosted thousands of Christians and
displayed hospitality during their rites, adding that this was a good
indicator of the change in Turkey.


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The EU will come to understand that it requires Turkey and it's economic strength as the Eurozone struggles. This will then be a rolling effect for the TC to be recognised as it was the EU's mistake in the first place to recognise RoC.

[B25]

What a wanker, this must be the joke of the centuary, thus;

"Bagis said that if British Airways and Air France were ready to fly to
Ercan Airport in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), then
Turkey was ready to open its ports to Greek Cypriot traffic. "

Too fucking late mate, the British High court already ruled on this and there's no going back. The French could not even think about this given this decision.

Anyhow, who the fuck believes those cockroaches anyway,they already agreed to open the ports under the 8 July agreement, err, this is Turkey we are talking about, no agreement is worth the paper their agreements are written on. Just good for wiping your arse with.

Yes, like the EU needs them ha ha F ha.

It is high time the EU pulled its finger out and did something about this occupying cancer before it spreads and we will all be F.

[Get Real!]

The EU will come to understand

Assumption #1

And if it doesn't what then?

..that it requires Turkey

Assumption #2

Explain why.

and it's economic strength

Assumption #3

What economic strength? I don't see it... explain.

as the Eurozone struggles.

Assumption #4

It doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Nothing lasts forever...

This will then be a rolling effect for the TC to be recognised

Assumption #5

So if your assumptions 1 though 4 come to pass, how does the internationally condemned area of Cyprus come into it?

as it was the EU's mistake in the first place to recognise RoC.

Assumption #6

Post credible evidence that supports the above.

Ta!

[Kikapu]

It is only a matter of time before Turkey accepts the fact, that any hopes she may have of being in the EU, can only happen when the last guard at the door lets them in, and that last guard happens to be the RoC, which Turkey part occupies it's territory.

I want to hear the EU telling us how much the EU needs Turkey rather than Turkey telling us how much the EU needs Turkey. Until that time comes, it is nothing more than Turkey blowing it's own horn of her false perceived importance to the EU, despite allowing some Christians and Armenians to worship at their old praying grounds. If Turkey thinks that's all it will take to become an EU member, is perhaps are the reasons why she is not an EU member already.!

[All4114All]

The EU will come to understand

Assumption #1

And if it doesn't what then?

..that it requires Turkey

Assumption #2

Explain why.

and it's economic strength

Assumption #3

What economic strength? I don't see it... explain.

as the Eurozone struggles.

Assumption #4

It doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Nothing lasts forever...

This will then be a rolling effect for the TC to be recognised

Assumption #5

So if your assumptions 1 though 4 come to pass, how does the internationally condemned area of Cyprus come into it?

as it was the EU's mistake in the first place to recognise RoC.

Assumption #6

Post credible evidence that supports the above.

Ta!

Assumption 1-3
Turkey is rebounding from the global financial crisis faster than many peers in eastern Europe because domestic confidence “has already recovered from the initial external shock” and capital flows and trade are returning to normal, the fund report said.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-0 ... -5-2-.html


Assumption 4
Yes nothing last for ever (TC not being recognise/isolated just wanted to add that ) these are your words.
You say it doesn't seem to be the case but Im not sure if you have a TV all I hear and see is fresh protests and the struggle of eurozone members everyday because of reforms they must place which you would of not seen comming only a few years ago.

Assumption 5
Well these are only talks and articles from what we read and no action is to be seen. But let's just say Turkey was accepted by the EU tommorow what moral grounds will the GC veto against and why would there be any further isolation if mainland has already entered EU.

Assumption 6
London/Zurich Accords
quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC
cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State. Moreover, its establishment law prohibits any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other state or partition of the island. (Hoffmeister, 2006;83). In other words, Cyprus cannot join in any
union in which all parties to the London-Zurich accords are not involved. Article II of the Treaty of Guarantee provides that the UK, Greece, and Turkey had competence to disallow such an action of the ROC as part of a union. Under the current principles of international law concerning the concept of state sovereignty, the EU membership of the ROC is exactly the type of “union” which the London/Zurich accords prohibits
participation of the ROC." unquote

[Hermes]

Eventually, Turkey will complete the accession negotiations.

It has to open the accession chapters first.

[ZoC]

Assumption 6
London/Zurich Accords
quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC
cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State. Moreover, its establishment law prohibits any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other state or partition of the island. (Hoffmeister, 2006;83). In other words, Cyprus cannot join in any
union in which all parties to the London-Zurich accords are not involved. Article II of the Treaty of Guarantee provides that the UK, Greece, and Turkey had competence to disallow such an action of the ROC as part of a union. Under the current principles of international law concerning the concept of state sovereignty, the EU membership of the ROC is exactly the type of “union” which the London/Zurich accords prohibits
participation of the ROC." unquote

treaty of guarantee? don't make me laugh. uk, greece and turkey relinquished their rights as "guarantors" after the 1974 debacle. you can't still be a guarantor when, errr, you didn't guarantee... geddit?

[boomerang]

Assumption 6
London/Zurich Accords
quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC
cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State. Moreover, its establishment law prohibits any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other state or partition of the island. (Hoffmeister, 2006;83). In other words, Cyprus cannot join in any
union in which all parties to the London-Zurich accords are not involved. Article II of the Treaty of Guarantee provides that the UK, Greece, and Turkey had competence to disallow such an action of the ROC as part of a union. Under the current principles of international law concerning the concept of state sovereignty, the EU membership of the ROC is exactly the type of “union” which the London/Zurich accords prohibits
participation of the ROC." unquote

treaty of guarantee? don't make me laugh. uk, greece and turkey relinquished their rights as "guarantors" after the 1974 debacle. you can't still be a guarantor when, errr, you didn't guarantee... geddit?

has anyone wondered as to why turkey does not contest the zurich treaty of guarantees?...in the ICJ?...

if i was you i would be mnost concerned about this coming out of the minister's mouth?...

We do not expect all 27 member
countries to put an end to visa proceedings in a day.

slowly sinking in huh?...

[Get Real!]

The EU will come to understand that it requires Turkey and it's economic strength...

Do you know what your problem is? You’re confusing the word “improved” with “strong”!

Turkey has certainly made a huge improvement from her abysmal 2000 financial state, but she’s certainly not a wealthy country! You see, once an economy begins to have a surplus that’s when they have to start PAYING OFF all that they’ve borrowed to get there! Turkey has only just began this positive journey but there are no guarantees she’ll stay on the right track forever!

For your info, the EU is a 15 trillion dollar enterprise as a result of earnings from her net contributing members and investments! If Turkey was to join the EU would she be a net contributing member or would the EU lose money by having her aboard? I think it’s the latter…

http://books.google.com/books?id=GnUtfO ... &q&f=false

I forgot to add that there’s only ONE thing that draws the EU to Turkey and that is the transfer of natural gas from Russia. However, I feel that the EU has gradually concluded that Turkey is unreliable to deliver; pipeline deals are already falling apart and the potential of using the pipes against the EU as a political tool have been realized, and the price to pay to get that gas is too high by having Turkey aboard.

[All4114All]

Assumption 6
London/Zurich Accords
quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC
cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State. Moreover, its establishment law prohibits any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other state or partition of the island. (Hoffmeister, 2006;83). In other words, Cyprus cannot join in any
union in which all parties to the London-Zurich accords are not involved. Article II of the Treaty of Guarantee provides that the UK, Greece, and Turkey had competence to disallow such an action of the ROC as part of a union. Under the current principles of international law concerning the concept of state sovereignty, the EU membership of the ROC is exactly the type of “union” which the London/Zurich accords prohibits
participation of the ROC." unquote

treaty of guarantee? don't make me laugh. uk, greece and turkey relinquished their rights as "guarantors" after the 1974 debacle. you can't still be a guarantor when, errr, you didn't guarantee... geddit?

No matter how much it makes you laugh UK, Greece and Turkey are still guarantors if we like it or not. Why do I see when I travel to the south GC fly the Greek national Flag along side the Cyprus Flag or atleast politically hidden behind it? Same reason the Turkey flag is seen in the North and the UK still has bases in Cyprus. Also if they have relinquished their rights as you say why then these three parties still are mentioned as guarantors and are called upon for a final solution to the Cyprus problem? Turkey guarantee the TC to exisist and still do today if I like it or not because at the moment we do not have an option or financial support from anywhere else we also have the right to live on this island and make our own choices although being in the Euro or internationally recognised would be much more accepted than having Turkey on our backs but until the GC give us equal rights I am happy the way it is if the GC won't accept TC as an equal.