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Postby Get Real! » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:49 pm

All4114All wrote:Here is a fact on your international law
EU member states had promised Turkish Cypriots to ease the embargo when Greek Cypriots voted down the 2004 referendum on a United Nations-backed plan to reunify the island.

From 17/02/2005…

“Commission welcomes Council adoption of measures that further facilitate trade across the Green Line in Cyprus”

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct ... anguage=en


NB: I hope you realize by now that you just don’t have the knowledge to debate the Cyprus problem at CF level. I hope you don’t post again because nobody here is interested in your baseless fantasies.
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Postby kurupetos » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:24 pm

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Postby Kikapu » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:17 am

All4114All wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
All4114All wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Here we go... the elusive report!

The Eligibility of the Republic of Cyprus for EU Membership

Conclusions

"For the reasons we have given, we remain firmly of the opinion that there is no legal basis for the argument that Cyprus is prevented by the Treaty of Guarantee, or by any provisions of the Constitution of 1960, from becoming a member of the EU or from complying with its treaty obligations towards Turkey once it becomes a member."



First of all, it was impossible for a country with border disputes to be a member of the EU. Secondly, it was impossible for the Republic of Cyprus to enter any international organization without the approval of Greece and Turkey, based upon the agreements and documents that established the Republic of Cyprus. As Turkey did not approve the Cyprus' membership under these conditions, the EU was defying both its laws and the international agreements.

Which has further complicated the negotiation issues. Yet membership was promised to the EU after the Annan Plan to the TC if voted yes but after 7 years we are still isolated. It's leverage that the GC enjoy thats all.


As far as the EU/UN is concerned, there are no such thing as a "border disputes" in Cyprus since the RoC's territory is intact as one!


Sorry could not read on any further after the above statement maybe there blind to see that there are check points and passports checks to cross 'THE BORDER'.


All4114All wrote:I do look at the world from outside the box

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=20


The only reason I responded to your post in a serious manner was because of the statement you made above, but quite clearly you have not left the box yet, and not only you are still in the box, but you don't even know which way is up or down. As GR said, you are clearly not ready for the CF for serious debate on facts regarding Cyprus. Take it from this TC, that if you continue making posts as you have done so far, expect nothing but being ridiculed. It is bad enough there's "brain drain" by TCs leaving the north for good to have you remain in the north and be brain drained at the same time.!
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Postby paliometoxo » Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:06 pm

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as fancy as our or greeces weapons are turkey has 100 times more of them and men to use them...
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Postby kurupetos » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:58 pm

paliometoxo wrote:
kurupetos wrote:


as fancy as our or greeces weapons are turkey has 100 times more of them and men to use them...


Turkey is nothing without the Americans. And we're not alone... :wink:
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Postby paliometoxo » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:16 pm

thats true. and the american ties with turkey are becoming worse by the day :D
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Postby boomerang » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:24 pm

they are still a good customer of the us...a lot of firms lobby on their behalf just to get their orders...
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Re: It's Only A Matter Of Time

Postby EPSILON » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:42 pm

All4114All wrote:WorldBulletin.net, Turkey
Oct 23 2010


Turkish minister says EU's need for Turkey increases day by day


"It is a shame that Turkish citizens still have to deal with visa
proceedings while citizens of countries which have not yet even
started accession talks, Bagis said
Saturday, 23 October 2010 11:39

Turkish State Minister & chief negotiator for the European Union talks
Egemen Bagis said, "Europe's need for Turkey increases day by day."

Speaking at a dinner hosted prior to the 7th Bogazici Conference on
Turkey-the European Union relations, Bagis said, "now, Turkey feels
itself more determined, more powerful and more courageous both
economically and politically in its European Union accession process
than ever. Turkey reached an 11 percent growth rate in the first half
of the year. Under the light of the difficulties faced by the European
Union, we have a new slogan: Turkey will save Europe."

"Eventually, Turkey will complete the accession negotiations. Europe's
need for Turkey increases day by day. We will become a full member of
the European Union," he said.

Bagis said, "another expectation of Turkish people is more cooperation
in fight against terrorism. Any country cannot fight against terror on
its own. We want concrete cooperation."

"It is a shame that Turkish citizens still have to deal with visa
proceedings while citizens of countries which have not yet even
started accession talks with the European Union, are able to travel to
the European-Union countries easily. We do not expect all 27 member
countries to put an end to visa proceedings in a day. But we need to
start to find a solution," he said.

Cyprus issue

Commenting on Cyprus issue, Bagis said that this issue was not a joke
any more, adding that some of the EU countries were hiding behind this
island.

Noting that Greek Cypriot leader rejected a recent invitation of UN
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to hold a tripartite meeting with
Turkish Cypriot leader in New York, Bagis said that this was another
failed initiative, adding that this was another objection to
international community's initiative to end the division in the
island.

Bagis said that if British Airways and Air France were ready to fly to
Ercan Airport in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), then
Turkey was ready to open its ports to Greek Cypriot traffic.

He said that Greek Cypriot administration was preventing other members
of the EU to set commercial relations and to travel to TRNC.

Bagis noted that Turkey could not advance in chapter headings in its
EU membership negotiations because of the veto of Greek Cypriot
administration, adding that Turkey could not open energy chapter
heading again because of Greek Cypriot veto, however, there was
currently an energy crisis in Europe and Turkey was able to meet
nearly 70 percent energy demand of Europe.

It is now time to wake up for the EU, and the EU should start to ask
for its own interests, said Bagis.

Bagis also said that dark days were over in Turkey.

Recalling that rites were held in Sumela Monastery in Turkey's Black
Sea province of Trabzon a month ago and in historical Armenian church
in eastern province of Van a few weeks ago, Bagis said that Turkish
people near Black Sea and Lake Van hosted thousands of Christians and
displayed hospitality during their rites, adding that this was a good
indicator of the change in Turkey.


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The EU will come to understand that it requires Turkey and it's economic strength as the Eurozone struggles. This will then be a rolling effect for the TC to be recognised as it was the EU's mistake in the first place to recognise RoC.


How many Christians do you have in Turkey?What about Alevites rights.?
if you consider that EU is a stupid organization which can consider a churge ceremony in Soumela as sign of a democratic system in Turkey -you are just stupids.

You must understand that Europeans, including Greeks, became, by the years, much more clever than Ottomans, like Your "clever" foreign minister.
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Re: It's Only A Matter Of Time

Postby runaway » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:28 pm

EPSILON wrote:if you consider that EU is a stupid organization which can consider a churge ceremony in Soumela as sign of a democratic system in Turkey -you are just stupids.

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When exactly are we going to see a mosque ceremony in central Athens? Freedom of religion in bankrupt hell-ass now!
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Re: It's Only A Matter Of Time

Postby ZoC » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:34 pm

runaway wrote:
EPSILON wrote:if you consider that EU is a stupid organization which can consider a churge ceremony in Soumela as sign of a democratic system in Turkey -you are just stupids.

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When exactly are we going to see a mosque ceremony in central Athens? Freedom of religion in bankrupt hell-ass now!


why don't you and the athenian go take your petty religious squabbles some place else. we got a public lavatory full of turds in the north that needs flushing without worrying about your shit.
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