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[wyoming cowboy]

Assumption 6
London/Zurich Accords
quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC
cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State. Moreover, its establishment law prohibits any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other state or partition of the island. (Hoffmeister, 2006;83). In other words, Cyprus cannot join in any
union in which all parties to the London-Zurich accords are not involved. Article II of the Treaty of Guarantee provides that the UK, Greece, and Turkey had competence to disallow such an action of the ROC as part of a union. Under the current principles of international law concerning the concept of state sovereignty, the EU membership of the ROC is exactly the type of “union” which the London/Zurich accords prohibits
participation of the ROC." unquote

treaty of guarantee? don't make me laugh. uk, greece and turkey relinquished their rights as "guarantors" after the 1974 debacle. you can't still be a guarantor when, errr, you didn't guarantee... geddit?

No matter how much it makes you laugh UK, Greece and Turkey are still guarantors if we like it or not. Why do I see when I travel to the south GC fly the Greek national Flag along side the Cyprus Flag or atleast politically hidden behind it? Same reason the Turkey flag is seen in the North and the UK still has bases in Cyprus. Also if they have relinquished their rights as you say why then these three parties still are mentioned as guarantors and are called upon for a final solution to the Cyprus problem? Turkey guarantee the TC to exisist and still do today if I like it or not because at the moment we do not have an option or financial support from anywhere else we also have the right to live on this island and make our own choices although being in the Euro or internationally recognised would be much more accepted than having Turkey on our backs but until the GC give us equal rights I am happy the way it is if the GC won't accept TC as an equal.

dont confuse equal rights with equal political rights....all citizens of Cyprus have equal rights, since Cyprus is a democracy a minority of 14percent such as the tc cannot have equal say in the way the government is conducted

[SKI-preo]

I love this guy. The EU made a mistake.Illegal military occupation and ethnic cleansing is a Mistake. Turkey was warned in the 1970's that occupying Cyprus will be a Mill Stone around its neck and now Turkey is preatending to be shocked. Get Stuffed war criminals!!!

[All4114All]

Here we go... the elusive report!

The Eligibility of the Republic of Cyprus for EU Membership

Conclusions

"For the reasons we have given, we remain firmly of the opinion that there is no legal basis for the argument that Cyprus is prevented by the Treaty of Guarantee, or by any provisions of the Constitution of 1960, from becoming a member of the EU or from complying with its treaty obligations towards Turkey once it becomes a member."

First of all, it was impossible for a country with border disputes to be a member of the EU. Secondly, it was impossible for the Republic of Cyprus to enter any international organization without the approval of Greece and Turkey, based upon the agreements and documents that established the Republic of Cyprus. As Turkey did not approve the Cyprus' membership under these conditions, the EU was defying both its laws and the international agreements.

Which has further complicated the negotiation issues. Yet membership was promised to the EU after the Annan Plan to the TC if voted yes but after 7 years we are still isolated. It's leverage that the GC enjoy thats all.

[Lit]

Here we go... the elusive report!

The Eligibility of the Republic of Cyprus for EU Membership

Conclusions

"For the reasons we have given, we remain firmly of the opinion that there is no legal basis for the argument that Cyprus is prevented by the Treaty of Guarantee, or by any provisions of the Constitution of 1960, from becoming a member of the EU or from complying with its treaty obligations towards Turkey once it becomes a member."

First of all, it was impossible for a country with border disputes to be a member of the EU. Secondly, it was impossible for the Republic of Cyprus to enter any international organization without the approval of Greece and Turkey, based upon the agreements and documents that established the Republic of Cyprus. As Turkey did not approve the Cyprus' membership under these conditions, the EU was defying both its laws and the international agreements.

I nearly fell off my chair. You raped this country and now you talk about laws and international agreements? FUCK YOURSELF.

[All4114All]

I love this guy. The EU made a mistake.Illegal military occupation and ethnic cleansing is a Mistake. Turkey was warned in the 1970's that occupying Cyprus will be a Mill Stone around its neck and now Turkey is preatending to be shocked. Get Stuffed war criminals!!!

Let's stick to facts about occupation, I do look at the world from outside the box as a TC living here I certainly don't like looking at Militray bases and Military convoy's on our roads so we agree there. Turkey legally invaded as it was a guarantor which in turn guarentee the survival of TC and still do today. I too want to see removal of forces and use the lands they have for further development and not have sore eyes looking at them as I drive pass. But lets not forget why they are here in the first place and why they are still here.

[All4114All]

Here we go... the elusive report!

The Eligibility of the Republic of Cyprus for EU Membership

Conclusions

"For the reasons we have given, we remain firmly of the opinion that there is no legal basis for the argument that Cyprus is prevented by the Treaty of Guarantee, or by any provisions of the Constitution of 1960, from becoming a member of the EU or from complying with its treaty obligations towards Turkey once it becomes a member."

First of all, it was impossible for a country with border disputes to be a member of the EU. Secondly, it was impossible for the Republic of Cyprus to enter any international organization without the approval of Greece and Turkey, based upon the agreements and documents that established the Republic of Cyprus. As Turkey did not approve the Cyprus' membership under these conditions, the EU was defying both its laws and the international agreements.

I nearly fell off my chair. You raped this country and now you talk about laws and international agreements? FUCK YOURSELF.

Let's not forget who tried to rape it first and continued to do so your anger comes from the failure of Enosis and the success of TC continuing to live here. As TC why dont you accept me as a friend as I accept you because as a GC you have the same rights here to live.

[Kikapu]

Here we go... the elusive report!

The Eligibility of the Republic of Cyprus for EU Membership

Conclusions

"For the reasons we have given, we remain firmly of the opinion that there is no legal basis for the argument that Cyprus is prevented by the Treaty of Guarantee, or by any provisions of the Constitution of 1960, from becoming a member of the EU or from complying with its treaty obligations towards Turkey once it becomes a member."

First of all, it was impossible for a country with border disputes to be a member of the EU. Secondly, it was impossible for the Republic of Cyprus to enter any international organization without the approval of Greece and Turkey, based upon the agreements and documents that established the Republic of Cyprus. As Turkey did not approve the Cyprus' membership under these conditions, the EU was defying both its laws and the international agreements.

Which has further complicated the negotiation issues. Yet membership was promised to the EU after the Annan Plan to the TC if voted yes but after 7 years we are still isolated. It's leverage that the GC enjoy thats all.

As far as the EU/UN is concerned, there are no such thing as a "border disputes" in Cyprus since the RoC's territory is intact as one, island wide, hence the reason why all of the RoC is in the EU and not just the south as you would like to believe. All Cypriots are too in the EU, therefore the EU had fulfilled it's promise to the TCs also where direct trade can be made over the "Green Line Agreements". What is not in the EU is the unrecognised and illegal establishment of the "trnc" on RoC soil, which many UN resolutions state that fact. You are making many fundamental mistakes in thinking that there are two countries in Cyprus. There aren't. Once you come to terms with this reality, all of your other misunderstandings about why the RoC is in the EU will be answered as well as why the RoC holds the key for Turkey's future in the EU if and when Turkey resolves her disputes with the RoC. I can't make it any simpler for you to understand than that, no matter how many times you want to invoke "guarantor rights" of Turkey in Cyprus, which Turkey herself had violated many times over. Then again, her violations of the "garantour rights" were not an issue for Turkey in 1974 when she invaded Cyprus, because the RoC had as much possibility as being in the EU to cause any problems for Turkey as my geese had laying golden eggs, but against all odds, the RoC had made it and now she is in the position of keeping Turkey out of the EU. This is the reality Turkey is faced with and you should do the same, which there is nothing Turkey can do about. Her one and only time to put herself in the "driving seat" was in 2004 had the Annan Plan passed. It did not and I do not believe she will get another chance like the AP to give her a second bite at the apple. Her only option in becoming a EU member will be only based on merits by fulfilling all her EU chapters as well as solving the Cyprus problem. Anything less than that, Turkey will be treated ONLY as a neighbour by the EU and not as a family member.!

[Sotos]

Let's not forget who tried to rape it first

Are you sure? Because some other TCs say we should forget.

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

[Get Real!]

First of all, it was impossible for a country with border disputes to be a member of the EU.

Cyprus doesn’t have any “border disputes”! There is only a demarcation line that separates the illegally Turkish-occupied territory so don’t get confused about what is what.

Secondly, it was impossible for the Republic of Cyprus to enter any international organization without the approval of Greece and Turkey, based upon the agreements and documents that established the Republic of Cyprus. As Turkey did not approve the Cyprus' membership under these conditions, the EU was defying both its laws and the international agreements.

Like I said, the Treaty of Guarantee was broken by all and sundry and thus nullified.

Which has further complicated the negotiation issues.

The negotiations were/are a goodwill gesture by the RoC (based on the 3rd Vienna agreement) but she is under NO obligation, and you'll soon find that she'll revert right back to age old UN resolutions so you've missed the train!

Yet membership was promised to the EU after the Annan Plan to the TC if voted yes but after 7 years we are still isolated. It's leverage that the GC enjoy thats all.

The occupied territory of Cyprus is isolated because UN Resolutions have not been abided by Turkey. You should move OUT of there at the earliest possible if you're not happy there.

[Get Real!]

Turkey legally invaded as it was a guarantor which in turn guarentee the survival of TC and still do today.

If that were true why are the numbers of "Turkish Cypriots" dwindling? It's because Turkey is not abiding by UN Resolutions making that area inhospitable! The "Turkish Cypriots" themselves are further agitating this situation by parlaying with the invader so get your facts right!