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[ZoC]

No matter how much it makes you laugh UK, Greece and Turkey are still guarantors if we like it or not.

bollox. they didn't guarantee. they're no longer guarantors.

Why do I see when I travel to the south GC fly the Greek national Flag along side the Cyprus Flag or atleast politically hidden behind it? Same reason the Turkey flag is seen in the North and the UK still has bases in Cyprus. Also if they have relinquished their rights as you say why then these three parties still are mentioned as guarantors and are called upon for a final solution to the Cyprus problem?

god knows! cyprus should sue all three.

[Get Real!]

...let's just say Turkey was accepted by the EU tommorow what moral grounds will the GC veto against and why would there be any further isolation if mainland has already entered EU.

It's absurd to assume that Turkey could ever become an EU member unless the Cyprus problem is sorted out to the satisfaction of the RoC!

[All4114All]

No matter how much it makes you laugh UK, Greece and Turkey are still guarantors if we like it or not.

bollox. they didn't guarantee. they're no longer guarantors.

Why do I see when I travel to the south GC fly the Greek national Flag along side the Cyprus Flag or atleast politically hidden behind it? Same reason the Turkey flag is seen in the North and the UK still has bases in Cyprus. Also if they have relinquished their rights as you say why then these three parties still are mentioned as guarantors and are called upon for a final solution to the Cyprus problem?

god knows! cyprus should sue all three.

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I'll join you in court together to sue

[Get Real!]

quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State.

That's exactly why an enquiry/report was requested by the EU during Cyprus' accession, to investigate this matter and the conclusion was that Cyprus could proceed...

I've got that report some where... patience!

[All4114All]

quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State.

That's exactly why an enquiry/report was requested by the EU during Cyprus' accession, to investigate this matter and the conclusion was that Cyprus could proceed...

I've got that report some where... patience!

Ill await but Im sure it still will not be valid.

Here is the double standards of the EU an article back in Feb 2010 and Im sure your report will contradict as to the article below.

‘EU will never accept the break-up of Bosnia’
European Union foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton on Thursday said that the 27-nation bloc would never accept the break-up of Bosnia.

"Let me be clear, Bosnia and Herzegovina can only join the EU as one country by speaking in one voice," she said here on the second leg of a Balkans tour. "The EU will never accept the break-up of Bosnia and Herzegovina."

I dont want to get into a Bosnia and Herzegovina discussion as this is a Cyprus forum but just outlining the EU mistake in accepting Cyprus as I posted in my first post and then explain it to you why it was a mistake.

The EU has complicated the issue even further. The UN is certainly not helping which is no suprise but I guess I appreciate their efforts somehow getting the two Presidents to negotiate if thats what they are doing behind close doors.

[Get Real!]

quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State.

That's exactly why an enquiry/report was requested by the EU during Cyprus' accession, to investigate this matter and the conclusion was that Cyprus could proceed...

I've got that report some where... patience!

Ill await but Im sure it still will not be valid.

Here is the double standards of the EU an article back in Feb 2010 and Im sure your report will contradict as to the article below.

‘EU will never accept the break-up of Bosnia’
European Union foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton on Thursday said that the 27-nation bloc would never accept the break-up of Bosnia.

"Let me be clear, Bosnia and Herzegovina can only join the EU as one country by speaking in one voice," she said here on the second leg of a Balkans tour. "The EU will never accept the break-up of Bosnia and Herzegovina."

First of all, in my opinion the treaty of guarantee had nullified itself in 1974 for reasons I give here…

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle17.htm

Furthermore, article 7 of the EU that Cyprus signed with the blessings of the two guarantors, does not allow for interventions and such as described under the treaty! Times have changed…

Read the “Legal aspects of the Cyprus problem: Annan Plan and EU accession” from here…

http://books.google.com/books?id=LZXbg3 ... yprus'+eu+
accession+and+the+treaty+of+guarantee&source=bl&ots=
3HH5zFYbQV&sig=7Q3hfD10spRSZmw8gyZezq3HcI8&hl=en&ei=
8cPETIfyIuiO4gbC4vm5Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=
6&ved=0CB0Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Get Real!]

Here we go... the elusive report!

The Eligibility of the Republic of Cyprus for EU Membership

Conclusions

"For the reasons we have given, we remain firmly of the opinion that there is no legal basis for the argument that Cyprus is prevented by the Treaty of Guarantee, or by any provisions of the Constitution of 1960, from becoming a member of the EU or from complying with its treaty obligations towards Turkey once it becomes a member."

http://www.un.int/cyprus/mendel.htm

[Get Real!]

All4114All,

Are there any of your assumptions left I haven’t squashed yet?

I don’t like to leave any holes…

[Hermes]

Just to add to Get Real's comments: it should also be noted that the Turkish government agreed to Cyprus's EU accession at the time.

Turkish PM Tansu Ciller accepted in 1995 the start of EU membership talks for Cyprus in return for Greece’s lifting of its objections to Turkey’s forthcoming Customs Union with the EU. It was hoped by Ciller that membership of the Customs Union would pave the way for Turkey's own accession.

Ciller, in effect, renounced Turkey's hold over Cyprus via the 1959 Treaty of Guarantee and allowed Cyprus to begin EU accession talks.

[wyoming cowboy]

Assumption 6
London/Zurich Accords
quote "According to article I of the Treaty of Guarantee, the ROC
cannot be annexed by any state and, should not participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State. Moreover, its establishment law prohibits any activity likely to promote, directly or indirectly, either union with any other state or partition of the island. (Hoffmeister, 2006;83). In other words, Cyprus cannot join in any
union in which all parties to the London-Zurich accords are not involved. Article II of the Treaty of Guarantee provides that the UK, Greece, and Turkey had competence to disallow such an action of the ROC as part of a union. Under the current principles of international law concerning the concept of state sovereignty, the EU membership of the ROC is exactly the type of “union” which the London/Zurich accords prohibits
participation of the ROC." unquote

treaty of guarantee? don't make me laugh. uk, greece and turkey relinquished their rights as "guarantors" after the 1974 debacle. you can't still be a guarantor when, errr, you didn't guarantee... geddit?

No matter how much it makes you laugh UK, Greece and Turkey are still guarantors if we like it or not. Why do I see when I travel to the south GC fly the Greek national Flag along side the Cyprus Flag or atleast politically hidden behind it? Same reason the Turkey flag is seen in the North and the UK still has bases in Cyprus. Also if they have relinquished their rights as you say why then these three parties still are mentioned as guarantors and are called upon for a final solution to the Cyprus problem? Turkey guarantee the TC to exisist and still do today if I like it or not because at the moment we do not have an option or financial support from anywhere else we also have the right to live on this island and make our own choices although being in the Euro or internationally recognised would be much more accepted than having Turkey on our backs but until the GC give us equal rights I am happy the way it is if the GC won't accept TC as an equal.

dont confuse equal rights with equal political rights....all citizens of Cyprus have equal rights, since Cyprus is a democracy a minority of 14percent such as the tc cannot have equal say in the way the government is conducted