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[boomerang]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

sorry jerry but they are just exercising their legal, democratic, islamic, cultural traditions...according to some...

no aggresion you say copper....forgotten the pirates of the mediterranean series against the roc?...

[paliometoxo]

yes i think so

Do you know who were the 'invaders' and who were the 'invaded' in Xinjian? Nothing to do with Cyprus, but since you began.................

yes deniz but how can turkey claim a few hundred of turks dying is a Kind of genocide then millions of armenians they slaughter and its not even murder they deny it, no matter who where the invaders and invaded how can turkey have this type of thinking where if another country does it its un acceptable and then they do the same thing but worse and its ok for them to do it.

[denizaksulu]

yes i think so

Do you know who were the 'invaders' and who were the 'invaded' in Xinjian? Nothing to do with Cyprus, but since you began.................

yes deniz but how can turkey claim a few hundred of turks dying is a Kind of genocide then millions of armenians they slaughter and its not even murder they deny it, no matter who where the invaders and invaded how can turkey have this type of thinking where if another country does it its un acceptable and then they do the same thing but worse and its ok for them to do it.

I know what you are saying Palio, but Turkey is a loose canon. We are in the unfortunate position of being their 'plaything'. Anyway, take all things said by ALL politicians with a 'pinch of salt'.

[shahmaran]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

Hatay's annexation (in a Piratis voice) was a democratic choice.

Why should the fucking French have control over a piece of land that is physically attached to Turkey and the majority of its population is Turkish?

Greek ships roam the Turkish waters chasing off Turkish fisherman on a daily basis, never mind the dumping of the unwanted immigrants there as well.

[paliometoxo]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

Hatay's annexation (in a Piratis voice) was a democratic choice.

Why should the fucking French have control over a piece of land that is physically attached to Turkey and the majority of its population is Turkish?

Greek ships roam the Turkish waters chasing off Turkish fisherman on a daily basis, never mind the dumping of the unwanted immigrants there as well.

its funny because we ask the very same question about cyprus and turkey why should they have control thats majority gcs...

and turkish aircrafts fly over our airspace all the time. and tell us we cant search for oil in the south when they announce they will in the north dumping lots of indians and smuggling people through the crossing from turkey. they harass them because those fishermen smuggle people form turkey into south cyprus

[shahmaran]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

Hatay's annexation (in a Piratis voice) was a democratic choice.

Why should the fucking French have control over a piece of land that is physically attached to Turkey and the majority of its population is Turkish?

Greek ships roam the Turkish waters chasing off Turkish fisherman on a daily basis, never mind the dumping of the unwanted immigrants there as well.

its funny because we ask the very same question about cyprus and turkey why should they have control thats majority gcs...

and turkish aircrafts fly over our airspace all the time. and tell us we cant search for oil in the south when they announce they will in the north dumping lots of indians and smuggling people through the crossing from turkey. they harass them because those fishermen smuggle people form turkey into south cyprus

It is not the same at all.

First of all you are not French, you have a right to be here just as much as we do.

Unlike you, Turkey never wanted to rule the island but helped us secure our rightful place, which you opposed. You also wanted Enosis regardless of the existence of a huge TC population.

Hatay was not taken by violence, the people did not want to be French either. Just like we don't want to be Greek. Why is that so hard to understand?

You should recheck your sources regarding the oil issue...

[paliometoxo]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

Hatay's annexation (in a Piratis voice) was a democratic choice.

Why should the fucking French have control over a piece of land that is physically attached to Turkey and the majority of its population is Turkish?

Greek ships roam the Turkish waters chasing off Turkish fisherman on a daily basis, never mind the dumping of the unwanted immigrants there as well.

its funny because we ask the very same question about cyprus and turkey why should they have control thats majority gcs...

and turkish aircrafts fly over our airspace all the time. and tell us we cant search for oil in the south when they announce they will in the north dumping lots of indians and smuggling people through the crossing from turkey. they harass them because those fishermen smuggle people form turkey into south cyprus

It is not the same at all.

First of all you are not French, you have a right to be here just as much as we do.

Unlike you, Turkey never wanted to rule the island but helped us secure our rightful place, which you opposed. You also wanted Enosis regardless of the existence of a huge TC population.

Hatay was not taken by violence, the people did not want to be French either. Just like we don't want to be Greek. Why is that so hard to understand?

You should recheck your sources regarding the oil issue...

actually the turks also wanted taksim and have admited to to causing problems like placing bombs for the tcs so they thought gcs did it and causing riots so they have an excuse to start fighting and ultimately have an excuse to invade and split the land in two,, taksim! just like the few who wanted enosis... both sides helped just as much.. just like we dont want to be turkish and under turkeys rule.. why is that so hard to understand?

i never said i was french... maybe turkey should let france have control and who cares if the majority is turkish. like the majority of cyprus is gcs yet turkey tries control cyprus..

btw those fishermen smuggle humans into the south for money they bring them from turkey so roc has to harass them to make sure they are not hiding illegals. and the ones that have to be taken back.

why does turkey constantly violate our airspace and make threats?

[shahmaran]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

Hatay's annexation (in a Piratis voice) was a democratic choice.

Why should the fucking French have control over a piece of land that is physically attached to Turkey and the majority of its population is Turkish?

Greek ships roam the Turkish waters chasing off Turkish fisherman on a daily basis, never mind the dumping of the unwanted immigrants there as well.

its funny because we ask the very same question about cyprus and turkey why should they have control thats majority gcs...

and turkish aircrafts fly over our airspace all the time. and tell us we cant search for oil in the south when they announce they will in the north dumping lots of indians and smuggling people through the crossing from turkey. they harass them because those fishermen smuggle people form turkey into south cyprus

It is not the same at all.

First of all you are not French, you have a right to be here just as much as we do.

Unlike you, Turkey never wanted to rule the island but helped us secure our rightful place, which you opposed. You also wanted Enosis regardless of the existence of a huge TC population.

Hatay was not taken by violence, the people did not want to be French either. Just like we don't want to be Greek. Why is that so hard to understand?

You should recheck your sources regarding the oil issue...

actually the turks also wanted taksim and have admited to to causing problems like placing bombs for the tcs so they thought gcs did it and causing riots so they have an excuse to start fighting and ultimately have an excuse to invade and split the land in two,, taksim! just like the few who wanted enosis... both sides helped just as much.. just like we dont want to be turkish and under turkeys rule.. why is that so hard to understand?

i never said i was french... maybe turkey should let france have control and who cares if the majority is turkish. like the majority of cyprus is gcs yet turkey tries control cyprus..

btw those fishermen smuggle humans into the south for money they bring them from turkey so roc has to harass them to make sure they are not hiding illegals. and the ones that have to be taken back.

why does turkey constantly violate our airspace and make threats?

I think you are deliberately missing the point here. Let me elaborate;

Taksim = 2 pieces, you get to keep your side.

Enosis = 1 piece, gone to Greece bye bye.

Turks never wanted to rule you, you want to rule us, get it?

Turkey does not want to control Cyprus, and France has no business in the Middle East, they are more Imperial scum like the Brits (which you also have fought against and should be proud of).

[boomerang]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

Hatay's annexation (in a Piratis voice) was a democratic choice.

Why should the fucking French have control over a piece of land that is physically attached to Turkey and the majority of its population is Turkish?

Greek ships roam the Turkish waters chasing off Turkish fisherman on a daily basis, never mind the dumping of the unwanted immigrants there as well.

its funny because we ask the very same question about cyprus and turkey why should they have control thats majority gcs...

and turkish aircrafts fly over our airspace all the time. and tell us we cant search for oil in the south when they announce they will in the north dumping lots of indians and smuggling people through the crossing from turkey. they harass them because those fishermen smuggle people form turkey into south cyprus

It is not the same at all.

First of all you are not French, you have a right to be here just as much as we do.

Unlike you, Turkey never wanted to rule the island but helped us secure our rightful place, which you opposed. You also wanted Enosis regardless of the existence of a huge TC population.

Hatay was not taken by violence, the people did not want to be French either. Just like we don't want to be Greek. Why is that so hard to understand?

You should recheck your sources regarding the oil issue...

actually the turks also wanted taksim and have admited to to causing problems like placing bombs for the tcs so they thought gcs did it and causing riots so they have an excuse to start fighting and ultimately have an excuse to invade and split the land in two,, taksim! just like the few who wanted enosis... both sides helped just as much.. just like we dont want to be turkish and under turkeys rule.. why is that so hard to understand?

i never said i was french... maybe turkey should let france have control and who cares if the majority is turkish. like the majority of cyprus is gcs yet turkey tries control cyprus..

btw those fishermen smuggle humans into the south for money they bring them from turkey so roc has to harass them to make sure they are not hiding illegals. and the ones that have to be taken back.

why does turkey constantly violate our airspace and make threats?

I think you are deliberately missing the point here. Let me elaborate;

Taksim = 2 pieces, you get to keep your side.

Enosis = 1 piece, gone to Greece bye bye.

Turks never wanted to rule you, you want to rule us, get it?

Turkey does not want to control Cyprus, and France has no business in the Middle East, they are more Imperial scum like the Brits (which you also have fought against and should be proud of).

why is turkey then messing around with the roc oil exploration then when we have taksim?...

[shahmaran]

Pallio: It's not good mate. With Turkey being a major aggressor power in the region it could be bad news for everyone concerned in that they may start a war again. This time it could be catastrophic, for the many thousands of innocent civilians falling victim to the Turkish gun. War is awful and so is Turkey.

No, the historical record of Turkey since its foundation is that it has respected the Lausanne borders and has made no territorial claims on any of its neighbours (unlike Greece, Bulgaria, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Iran, Iraq and Syria); was neutral for most of the second world war (unlike all the above with the arguable exception of Iran); and with the exception of the Cyprus question and counter-PKK operations in Iraq has not acted for itself militarily outside Turkey.

So it is straightforward wrong to say that Turkey has been or is an aggressor power, never mind a major aggressor.

Really? Hatay? Imvros & Tenedos? F16 Flights over Greek islands? Claims to exploration rights in disputed areas of the sea? And of course the mass exodus of Greeks from Istanbul doesn't really count as aggression does it?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... ching.html

Hatay's annexation (in a Piratis voice) was a democratic choice.

Why should the fucking French have control over a piece of land that is physically attached to Turkey and the majority of its population is Turkish?

Greek ships roam the Turkish waters chasing off Turkish fisherman on a daily basis, never mind the dumping of the unwanted immigrants there as well.

its funny because we ask the very same question about cyprus and turkey why should they have control thats majority gcs...

and turkish aircrafts fly over our airspace all the time. and tell us we cant search for oil in the south when they announce they will in the north dumping lots of indians and smuggling people through the crossing from turkey. they harass them because those fishermen smuggle people form turkey into south cyprus

It is not the same at all.

First of all you are not French, you have a right to be here just as much as we do.

Unlike you, Turkey never wanted to rule the island but helped us secure our rightful place, which you opposed. You also wanted Enosis regardless of the existence of a huge TC population.

Hatay was not taken by violence, the people did not want to be French either. Just like we don't want to be Greek. Why is that so hard to understand?

You should recheck your sources regarding the oil issue...

actually the turks also wanted taksim and have admited to to causing problems like placing bombs for the tcs so they thought gcs did it and causing riots so they have an excuse to start fighting and ultimately have an excuse to invade and split the land in two,, taksim! just like the few who wanted enosis... both sides helped just as much.. just like we dont want to be turkish and under turkeys rule.. why is that so hard to understand?

i never said i was french... maybe turkey should let france have control and who cares if the majority is turkish. like the majority of cyprus is gcs yet turkey tries control cyprus..

btw those fishermen smuggle humans into the south for money they bring them from turkey so roc has to harass them to make sure they are not hiding illegals. and the ones that have to be taken back.

why does turkey constantly violate our airspace and make threats?

I think you are deliberately missing the point here. Let me elaborate;

Taksim = 2 pieces, you get to keep your side.

Enosis = 1 piece, gone to Greece bye bye.

Turks never wanted to rule you, you want to rule us, get it?

Turkey does not want to control Cyprus, and France has no business in the Middle East, they are more Imperial scum like the Brits (which you also have fought against and should be proud of).

why is turkey then messing around with the roc oil exploration then when we have taksim?...

I really am not sure about that, the article I read said they hoped they could work together.

Maybe because the island is so small, they are worried you might suck up our oil from the other side as well?