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[MrH]

This is more for those Non-Greek Cyprus to view and read, and realise that the Island of Cyprus is Still:

(I) In Conflict, and
(Ii) Still in Search for a UN Resolution to its Political problem, AND
(Iii) The Acceptance of the Greek Cypriot administered "Republic of Cyprus" into the EU has actually cemented the idea of a permenant Partition of the Island.

Hence - Why the latest Direct Trade Regulation fiasco will continue by the EU until the EU rectify the Mistake they had made in admitting the the Greek Cypriot only as the incomplete Republic of Cyprus and its limited territory, stopping at the signed and agreed "Cease Fire Line".

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE OF THE "SIGNED" AGREEMENT:

SOURCE:
http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_ ... ic&lang=l1

That ceasefire came into effect at 18.00 on 16 August 1974. Immediately
afterwards, UNFICYP inspected the areas of confrontation and recorded the
deployment of the military forces on both sides. Lines drawn between the
forward defended localities became respectively the National Guard and
Turkish forces' ceasefire lines. In the absence of a formal ceasefire
agreement, the military status quo, as recorded by UNFICYP at the time,
became the standard by which it was judged whether any changes constituted
violations of the ceasefire. The military status quo was subsequently
clarified further and adjusted in numerous local agreements between the
units of UNFICYP and of the sides concerned. Most of those agreements were
eventually consolidated in a simple set of rules, which UNFICYP communicated
to the military forces on both sides in early 1989.

It is an essential feature of the ceasefire that neither side can exercise
authority or jurisdiction or make any military moves beyond its own forward
military lines. In the area between the lines, which is known as the United
Nations buffer zone, UNFICYP maintains the status quo (including innocent
civilian activity and the exercise of property rights) without prejudice to
an eventual political settlement concerning the disposition of the area.
UNFICYP discharges its responsibilities in that area, with a view to
safeguarding the legitimate security requirements of both sides, while
giving due regard to humanitarian considerations.

[Me Ed]

Your obsession with the EU and direct trade is showing.

We Europeans don't want to know, get over it and move on.

Your best bet is to try to open direct trade links with a fellow Turkic country - oh they don't want to know either!

[MrH]

Me Ed,
What are you talking about. I Was VERY HAPPY of the decision to REJECT it as it means that Turkey does NOT need to open its ports. As, if it had then that would have caused many political blunders as it would have had to tread a very fine line in Recognising the GC-ROC, and probably it also being as the sole representative of the entire island as its EU member state. What I find interesting is why the Greek Cypriots wanted to prevent such a situation. That's the lack of understanding the Greek Cypriots have of the bigger picture.

If the DTR had passed, Today you would have had Recognition from Turkey and EFFECTIVE control over the entire island as EU Member The "ROC", the cease-fire line would have been disbanded and unification the way the GCs want would have materialised. Also, and as you know, the TRNC can only be recognised if it's either accepted by a huge band of nations or the UNSecurity Council - fat chance.

I find it all strange.

[Me Ed]

Well let me make it clear to you.

We Europeans don't care whether Turkey opens its ports to the RoC or not or whether Turkey recognises the RoC or not.

the bigger picture is that Turkey needs to do this to join the EU.

Turkey should stop wasting time and withdraw its EU application, because we Europeans don't need Turkey for anything yes NOTHING.

[miltiades]

According to Mr H EVERYONE is wrong it seems only the third world country that took 3 months to decide if their women folk should or should not wear head scarves , now this somewhat backward nation that looks down on the T/Cs , bloody cheek , is RIGHT , everyone else is wrong. !!! Tell that to the illiterates Mr H. !!!

[Schnauzer]

According to Mr H EVERYONE is wrong it seems only the third world country that took 3 months to decide if their women folk should or should not wear head scarves , now this somewhat backward nation that looks down on the T/Cs , bloody cheek , is RIGHT , everyone else is wrong. !!! Tell that to the illiterates Mr H. !!!

In my considered opinion, your observations (particularly on the political scene) carry about as much weight as a 'Hobo's Aarschgnoddle'.

By the way, "Hello There".

[Viewpoint]

Well let me make it clear to you.

We Europeans don't care whether Turkey opens its ports to the RoC or not or whether Turkey recognises the RoC or not.

the bigger picture is that Turkey needs to do this to join the EU.

Turkey should stop wasting time and withdraw its EU application, because we Europeans don't need Turkey for anything yes NOTHING.

thats where you are wrong Turkey doesnt need to be in the EU she has and can easily continue as is there are many examples of sucessful countries outside of the EU. It is not the end of the world if you are not in the EU the comment that Turkey needs the EU only reveals how narrow minded you have become.

[Me Ed]

Well let me make it clear to you.

We Europeans don't care whether Turkey opens its ports to the RoC or not or whether Turkey recognises the RoC or not.

the bigger picture is that Turkey needs to do this to join the EU.

Turkey should stop wasting time and withdraw its EU application, because we Europeans don't need Turkey for anything yes NOTHING.

thats where you are wrong Turkey doesnt need to be in the EU she has and can easily continue as is there are many examples of sucessful countries outside of the EU. It is not the end of the world if you are not in the EU the comment that Turkey needs the EU only reveals how narrow minded you have become.

VP read my comments carefully because I never said Turkey needs the EU.

I just pointed out a couple of items Turkey needs to do in order to join the EU and to stop wasting the EUs time if they are unwilling to do them.

Turkeys policy on Cyprus is... just not European.

[Kikapu]

Me Ed,
What are you talking about. I Was VERY HAPPY of the decision to REJECT it as it means that Turkey does NOT need to open its ports. As, if it had then that would have caused many political blunders as it would have had to tread a very fine line in Recognising the GC-ROC, and probably it also being as the sole representative of the entire island as its EU member state. What I find interesting is why the Greek Cypriots wanted to prevent such a situation. That's the lack of understanding the Greek Cypriots have of the bigger picture.

If the DTR had passed, Today you would have had Recognition from Turkey and EFFECTIVE control over the entire island as EU Member The "ROC", the cease-fire line would have been disbanded and unification the way the GCs want would have materialised. Also, and as you know, the TRNC can only be recognised if it's either accepted by a huge band of nations or the UNSecurity Council - fat chance.

I find it all strange.

MrH as "Baghdad Bob"

Why do I get the feeling that MrH was also known as "Baghdad Bob" before, the comical Iraqi Information Minister who got nothing right during the American Invasion of Iraq in 2003 and made everything up as he went along..!

I believe MrH has earned enough balls-up credits by he too getting everything wrong since he has been on the Cyprus Forum, so to be called "Turkey's (trnc) Bob" from now on. Even VP has enough smarts to keep quiet when ever his predictions does not come true than make excuses, which happens to be most of the time btw, unlike "Turkey's Bob", MrH, who changes his position faster than a cheap hooker.!

[MrH]

Me ed,
Clearly you need more advise from Viewpoint and I as It's THE EU that desperately needs Turkey and the Tiny GCs will not Get in their way, the DTR fiasco should have made you GCs realise that. AND, when Turkey starts Oil Exploration off of Northern Cyprus, you will be begging for Turkey to Open its Ports, if not now. You are so blinded my GC compatriot. Try walking up the Trod mountains and viewing the rest of the world instead of looking out to see as on a very clear day you can see Turkey!

I say this time and time again that The GCs are but atiny pawn with Turkey-EU relations. The EU has a bigger agenda with the up and coming strength of Turkiye and if you donkt play ball, you will seriously lose the match.

It's not about what Turkey wants, Get It? It's about EU, US and NATO strategic planning which Turkey is important to. GC-ROC is NOT a part of NATO due to Turkey, where, you may want to look further into that my friend because clearly you are stuck inbetween Cyprus and Bulgaria - Yes! Very important - NOT!

AND, as Viewpoint rightly said, I would also add that Most of the Successfull countries apart from Germany are OUTSIDE the EU, and one of them is not even internationally Recognised because of China! The GCs will soon lose, and boy will they lose ROYAL.