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[shahmaran]

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

what a stupid question. look out the freakin' window, dummkopf!

You are an idiot.

yes but 'how can one "turkify" another country'?

Apparently you know, so why don't you tell us?

[shahmaran]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

What? We always had Turkish schools here in Cyprus, we never "demanded it" we just open them.

Jews have schools in every country, so do the Brits and the Americans, what is wrong with that?

it starts with something small like schools then escalates and slowly the turks demand more power and more control over what goes on where their minority is. and your armenian minority are not even allowed to speak their own language let alone have a school in turkey for armenians, i remember the turkish guy on tv saying armenian is not a language we wont allow it..

until one day they are there demanding a second state causing problems.

germany knows to keep them from trying anything funny.

WTF are you on about buddy?

There are Armenian schools in Turkey, just as there are Italians, Germans, Austrians, Jewish, LOTS of French, British and US.

They can all speak their language as well, but they also have to teach Turkish. The debate you are on about, is about being able to speak it in the government, political language, and it is about the Kurds. Don't think the others ever had a party there.

Also, like I said, we never "demanded" anything, we ruled this island for 500 years, why would we ever "demand" anything from you?

The Turks were invited to Germany for work, they were welcomed with concerts and confetti, initially, and have been serving that country ever since.

Now there are 3.5 million of them there, I think they have every right to "demand" for their own school, there are probably more Turks there than Germans in Turkey, yet the Germans have a few schools in Turkey and deny Turkish rights back home.

The German policy is clearly to brainwash them into becoming German, just like you want to do with us.

That is not acceptable.

i agree but with the turks you have to be extra careful... if it where any other minority it would be even more wrong.. no one forces them turks to be in germany, if they dont like it they can go home to turkey

See thats where you get it all wrong buddy.

Being Cypriot, you might find it "normal", but no one in this world thinks as you do.

Hence why you are divided and they are not.

[paliometoxo]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

What? We always had Turkish schools here in Cyprus, we never "demanded it" we just open them.

Jews have schools in every country, so do the Brits and the Americans, what is wrong with that?

it starts with something small like schools then escalates and slowly the turks demand more power and more control over what goes on where their minority is. and your armenian minority are not even allowed to speak their own language let alone have a school in turkey for armenians, i remember the turkish guy on tv saying armenian is not a language we wont allow it..

until one day they are there demanding a second state causing problems.

germany knows to keep them from trying anything funny.

WTF are you on about buddy?

There are Armenian schools in Turkey, just as there are Italians, Germans, Austrians, Jewish, LOTS of French, British and US.

They can all speak their language as well, but they also have to teach Turkish. The debate you are on about, is about being able to speak it in the government, political language, and it is about the Kurds. Don't think the others ever had a party there.

Also, like I said, we never "demanded" anything, we ruled this island for 500 years, why would we ever "demand" anything from you?

The Turks were invited to Germany for work, they were welcomed with concerts and confetti, initially, and have been serving that country ever since.

Now there are 3.5 million of them there, I think they have every right to "demand" for their own school, there are probably more Turks there than Germans in Turkey, yet the Germans have a few schools in Turkey and deny Turkish rights back home.

The German policy is clearly to brainwash them into becoming German, just like you want to do with us.

That is not acceptable.

i agree but with the turks you have to be extra careful... if it where any other minority it would be even more wrong.. no one forces them turks to be in germany, if they dont like it they can go home to turkey

See thats where you get it all wrong buddy.

Being Cypriot, you might find it "normal", but no one in this world thinks as you do.

Hence why you are divided and they are not.

no we are divided because we made the mistake of letting turkey in... germany is not making the same mistake thats why they have these policies and so rightly they have them. greece does not even acknowledge its turk minority, both are good calls imo.

and no i dont think its normal i think its stupid a country would expect its minority to become german or any other nationality just to live there, imagine if they did this with cypriots in england or america or italy or any other country i think its wrong. except when it comes to a turkish minority i agree with it

[shahmaran]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

What? We always had Turkish schools here in Cyprus, we never "demanded it" we just open them.

Jews have schools in every country, so do the Brits and the Americans, what is wrong with that?

it starts with something small like schools then escalates and slowly the turks demand more power and more control over what goes on where their minority is. and your armenian minority are not even allowed to speak their own language let alone have a school in turkey for armenians, i remember the turkish guy on tv saying armenian is not a language we wont allow it..

until one day they are there demanding a second state causing problems.

germany knows to keep them from trying anything funny.

WTF are you on about buddy?

There are Armenian schools in Turkey, just as there are Italians, Germans, Austrians, Jewish, LOTS of French, British and US.

They can all speak their language as well, but they also have to teach Turkish. The debate you are on about, is about being able to speak it in the government, political language, and it is about the Kurds. Don't think the others ever had a party there.

Also, like I said, we never "demanded" anything, we ruled this island for 500 years, why would we ever "demand" anything from you?

The Turks were invited to Germany for work, they were welcomed with concerts and confetti, initially, and have been serving that country ever since.

Now there are 3.5 million of them there, I think they have every right to "demand" for their own school, there are probably more Turks there than Germans in Turkey, yet the Germans have a few schools in Turkey and deny Turkish rights back home.

The German policy is clearly to brainwash them into becoming German, just like you want to do with us.

That is not acceptable.

i agree but with the turks you have to be extra careful... if it where any other minority it would be even more wrong.. no one forces them turks to be in germany, if they dont like it they can go home to turkey

See thats where you get it all wrong buddy.

Being Cypriot, you might find it "normal", but no one in this world thinks as you do.

Hence why you are divided and they are not.

no we are divided because we made the mistake of letting turkey in... germany is not making the same mistake thats why they have these policies and so rightly they have them. greece does not even acknowledge its turk minority, both are good calls imo.

and no i dont think its normal i think its stupid a country would expect its minority to become german or any other nationality just to live there, imagine if they did this with cypriots in england or america or italy or any other country i think its wrong. except when it comes to a turkish minority i agree with it

You never had a choice on "letting Turkey in". Turks came here under the Ottoman rule, not Turkey, during a time when this island was ruled by others, not you.

We are talking about Empires and Kingdoms, kind of stupid to try and draw analogies between them and todays, so called, most democratic states, such as Germany, don't you think?

Turks did not go there as illegal immigrants nor soldiers of an invader, they were invited for work, as they were needed.

The biggest mistake you did was to blindly believe that you could rule this island without us. Turks have never been ruled against their will, throughout history, did you not know that?

[Kikapu]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

Well, that would make sense in that case, Shah. It is every country's provocative to not to have a Duel Citizenship for their country and citizens if they are a native born. Same is the case in the USA, where American born citizens with their roots in the USA are not permitted to accept another citizenship or they will face being stripped off their American Citizenship. The fact that I have 3 citizenships, one of them being American is another matter, and since I am not a native born American with my roots in the USA, is the reason why I'm able to keep all 3 citizenships, with perhaps 4th being on the way soon.!

Germany did/does however allow their citizens born in certain politically troubled countries to maintain two passports without too much problems, just like during the apartheid South Africa. German citizens with South African passports were not welcomed in many parts of the world, therefore Germany would issue them German Passports to overcome those problems.!

It must only be a trait of countries that seem to always confuse "freedom" with "fascism".

So you are a Swiss, American and Cypriot? Or was it Ozzy?

Not yet Swiss. The others are American, British and Cypriot (ABC). I don't know how I would sound as an Aussie.!

Just to go back to Duel Citizenships for a minute, and the fact that America accept immigrants keeping their original nationalities when becoming American citizens, must be applauded. The only time America would take away the passport of an immigrant and return it to the country of origin of that immigrant, is when the immigrant's country of origin does not allow duel citizenship. When I became an American, both Britain and Cyprus allowed duel citizenships, which meant that America could not ask for me to turn over those passports. Same should be with the Germans. If Turkey allows duel citizenship on her citizens, surely Germany cannot take away the passports of the Turks wanting to become Germans also if and when they meet all the qualifications. My understanding is, that Turkey does allow duel citizenships on her citizens. The only question that remains to be asked is, does Turkey allow other nationals to become Turkish Citizens as well with all the voting rights that are afforded to all Turkish citizens.? This I do not know.

Yes they do.

To be honest I have not heard of any country that does it like the Germans do. My understanding was that most countries allow you to have dual nationalities. UK does also.

Shah, you may find the link below useful on the topic we are discussing.

It's interesting that a foreign woman can marry a Turkish man and become a Turkish Citizen, but says nothing about a foreign man marrying a Turkish woman and becoming a Turkish Citizen. Perhaps it has changed in the last 3 years since this information was last updated.??



“Citizenship Laws of the World”


GERMANY


"CITIZENSHIP: Based upon German citizenship law, the principle of descent from the parents (jus sanguinis), and, after January 1, 2000, jus soli.

BY BIRTH: Birth within the Federal Republic of Germany does not automatically confer citizenship. However, from January 1, 2000, citizenship will be acquired by birth in Germany if one parent has lived in the country for eight years.

BY DESCENT: Child born in wedlock whose father or mother is a citizen of Germany. Child born out of wedlock whose father is stateless or unknown and whose mother is a citizen of Germany. Child born out of wedlock to a foreign woman and a German father will be granted German citizenship upon the legitimization (recognition) of the child by the German father.

BY NATURALIZATION: At the discretion of the German naturalization authority; 8 years residence in Germany is a requirement.


DUAL CITIZENSHIP: In principle, not recognized. Exceptions: German citizens abroad who acquire another citizenship can forego the automatic forfeiture of their German citizenship by obtaining a decree from the German authorities permitting them to retain their German citizenship. After January 1, 2000, dual citizenship is allowed until age 23.


LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP:

VOLUNTARY: The law allows Germans to petition for a release from German citizenship if they have applied for the acquisition of foreign citizenship and the authorities of the foreign state have stated that they will be naturalized. Petitions may be directed to the federal government in Germany or the nearest German Embassy.

INVOLUNTARY: Voluntary acquisition of foreign citizenship without having received a decree from the German authorities permitting concurrent retention of German citizenship.


ANY QUESTIONS concerning citizenship, or requests for renunciation of citizenship, should be directed to the address below:

Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany Consular Section 4645 Reservoir Dr., NW Washington, DC 20007

Embassy Telephone: 202-298-4360 Fax: 202-471-5558
www.germany-info.org

www.undp.org/missions/germany

www.government.de/english/01/newsf.html


TURKEY


CITIZENSHIP: Citizenship laws are based upon Article 66 of the Turkish Constitution and regulated in Law 403 of the Turkish Citizenship Law of 1964.

BY BIRTH: Birth within the territory of Turkey does not automatically confer citizenship. Exception: A child born to unknown or stateless parents.

BY DESCENT: Child, at least one of whose parents is a citizen of Turkey, regardless of the child's country of birth.

MARRIAGE: A foreign woman who marries a citizen of Turkey may acquire Turkish citizenship upon making a declaration of intent.

BY NATURALIZATION: Turkish citizenship may be acquired upon fulfillment of the following conditions: Person has resided in Turkey for at least five years. Person has shown intent to remain in Turkey. Person is familiar with the Turkish language. Person has sufficient means for self-support. Person has no illness considered threatening to public health.

The following persons may be eligible for citizenship without fulfilling the residency requirement: Persons of Turkish descent, their spouses, and minor children. The child of a person who, regardless of circumstances, has lost citizenship. Spouse of a Turkish citizen and the spouse's minor children.


DUAL CITIZENSHIP: RECOGNIZED.


LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP:

VOLUNTARY: Voluntary renunciation of citizenship is permitted by law. Contact the Turkish Embassy for details and proper paperwork.

INVOLUNTARY: The following is grounds for involuntary loss of naturalized Turkish citizenship: Person is involved in activities threatening to the security of Turkey.


ANY QUESTIONS concerning citizenship, or requests for renunciation of citizenship, should be directed to the address below:

Embassy of the Republic of Turkey Consular Section 2525 Massachusetts Ave., NW Washington, DC 20036

Embassy Telephone: 202-612-6700 Consular Telephone: 202-612-6740 (only 2:30-4:00 p.m.; not in service 10:00 a.m. - 2:30 p.m.) Fax: 202-612-6744

www.Turkey.org





http://www.multiplecitizenship.com/worldsummary.html

[ZoC]

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

what a stupid question. look out the freakin' window, dummkopf!

You are an idiot.

yes but 'how can one "turkify" another country'?

Apparently you know, so why don't you tell us?

news just in from occupied nicosia...



big brother is watching you... maybe that's why you won't admit it.

[shahmaran]

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

what a stupid question. look out the freakin' window, dummkopf!

You are an idiot.

yes but 'how can one "turkify" another country'?

Apparently you know, so why don't you tell us?

news just in from occupied nicosia...



big brother is watching you... maybe that's why you won't admit it.

As opposed to this??







Thanks but no thanks!