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[paliometoxo]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

[Kikapu]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

Well, that would make sense in that case, Shah. It is every country's provocative to not to have a Duel Citizenship for their country and citizens if they are a native born. Same is the case in the USA, where American born citizens with their roots in the USA are not permitted to accept another citizenship or they will face being stripped off their American Citizenship. The fact that I have 3 citizenships, one of them being American is another matter, and since I am not a native born American with my roots in the USA, is the reason why I'm able to keep all 3 citizenships, with perhaps 4th being on the way soon.!

Germany did/does however allow their citizens born in certain politically troubled countries to maintain two passports without too much problems, just like during the apartheid South Africa. German citizens with South African passports were not welcomed in many parts of the world, therefore Germany would issue them German Passports to overcome those problems.!

It must only be a trait of countries that seem to always confuse "freedom" with "fascism".

So you are a Swiss, American and Cypriot? Or was it Ozzy?

Not yet Swiss. The others are American, British and Cypriot (ABC). I don't know how I would sound as an Aussie.!

Just to go back to Duel Citizenships for a minute, and the fact that America accept immigrants keeping their original nationalities when becoming American citizens, must be applauded. The only time America would take away the passport of an immigrant and return it to the country of origin of that immigrant, is when the immigrant's country of origin does not allow duel citizenship. When I became an American, both Britain and Cyprus allowed duel citizenships, which meant that America could not ask for me to turn over those passports. Same should be with the Germans. If Turkey allows duel citizenship on her citizens, surely Germany cannot take away the passports of the Turks wanting to become Germans also if and when they meet all the qualifications. My understanding is, that Turkey does allow duel citizenships on her citizens. The only question that remains to be asked is, does Turkey allow other nationals to become Turkish Citizens as well with all the voting rights that are afforded to all Turkish citizens.? This I do not know.

[ZoC]

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

what a stupid question. look out the freakin' window, dummkopf!

[shahmaran]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

What? We always had Turkish schools here in Cyprus, we never "demanded it" we just open them.

Jews have schools in every country, so do the Brits and the Americans, what is wrong with that?

[shahmaran]

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

what a stupid question. look out the freakin' window, dummkopf!

You are an idiot.

[shahmaran]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

Well, that would make sense in that case, Shah. It is every country's provocative to not to have a Duel Citizenship for their country and citizens if they are a native born. Same is the case in the USA, where American born citizens with their roots in the USA are not permitted to accept another citizenship or they will face being stripped off their American Citizenship. The fact that I have 3 citizenships, one of them being American is another matter, and since I am not a native born American with my roots in the USA, is the reason why I'm able to keep all 3 citizenships, with perhaps 4th being on the way soon.!

Germany did/does however allow their citizens born in certain politically troubled countries to maintain two passports without too much problems, just like during the apartheid South Africa. German citizens with South African passports were not welcomed in many parts of the world, therefore Germany would issue them German Passports to overcome those problems.!

It must only be a trait of countries that seem to always confuse "freedom" with "fascism".

So you are a Swiss, American and Cypriot? Or was it Ozzy?

Not yet Swiss. The others are American, British and Cypriot (ABC). I don't know how I would sound as an Aussie.!

Just to go back to Duel Citizenships for a minute, and the fact that America accept immigrants keeping their original nationalities when becoming American citizens, must be applauded. The only time America would take away the passport of an immigrant and return it to the country of origin of that immigrant, is when the immigrant's country of origin does not allow duel citizenship. When I became an American, both Britain and Cyprus allowed duel citizenships, which meant that America could not ask for me to turn over those passports. Same should be with the Germans. If Turkey allows duel citizenship on her citizens, surely Germany cannot take away the passports of the Turks wanting to become Germans also if and when they meet all the qualifications. My understanding is, that Turkey does allow duel citizenships on her citizens. The only question that remains to be asked is, does Turkey allow other nationals to become Turkish Citizens as well with all the voting rights that are afforded to all Turkish citizens.? This I do not know.

Yes they do.

To be honest I have not heard of any country that does it like the Germans do. My understanding was that most countries allow you to have dual nationalities. UK does also.

[paliometoxo]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

What? We always had Turkish schools here in Cyprus, we never "demanded it" we just open them.

Jews have schools in every country, so do the Brits and the Americans, what is wrong with that?

it starts with something small like schools then escalates and slowly the turks demand more power and more control over what goes on where their minority is. and your armenian minority are not even allowed to speak their own language let alone have a school in turkey for armenians, i remember the turkish guy on tv saying armenian is not a language we wont allow it..

until one day they are there demanding a second state causing problems.

germany knows to keep them from trying anything funny.

[shahmaran]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

What? We always had Turkish schools here in Cyprus, we never "demanded it" we just open them.

Jews have schools in every country, so do the Brits and the Americans, what is wrong with that?

it starts with something small like schools then escalates and slowly the turks demand more power and more control over what goes on where their minority is. and your armenian minority are not even allowed to speak their own language let alone have a school in turkey for armenians, i remember the turkish guy on tv saying armenian is not a language we wont allow it..

until one day they are there demanding a second state causing problems.

germany knows to keep them from trying anything funny.

WTF are you on about buddy?

There are Armenian schools in Turkey, just as there are Italians, Germans, Austrians, Jewish, LOTS of French, British and US.

They can all speak their language as well, but they also have to teach Turkish. The debate you are on about, is about being able to speak it in the government, political language, and it is about the Kurds. Don't think the others ever had a party there.

Also, like I said, we never "demanded" anything, we ruled this island for 500 years, why would we ever "demand" anything from you?

The Turks were invited to Germany for work, they were welcomed with concerts and confetti, initially, and have been serving that country ever since.

Now there are 3.5 million of them there, I think they have every right to "demand" for their own school, there are probably more Turks there than Germans in Turkey, yet the Germans have a few schools in Turkey and deny Turkish rights back home.

The German policy is clearly to brainwash them into becoming German, just like you want to do with us.

That is not acceptable.

[ZoC]

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

what a stupid question. look out the freakin' window, dummkopf!

You are an idiot.

yes but 'how can one "turkify" another country'?

[paliometoxo]

Actually not that shocking Kikapu, I was told by a few Turks who live there when I went a few months ago that they have to give up Turkish citizenship in order to become German.

That was shocking to me.

i agree its shocking that a country would expect its minority to do such a thing, but it stops the turks trying to turkify germany as they have tried to do with north cyprus. they see what happened here they are not stupid

How can one "Turkify" another country? Specially a place like Germany?

the same way turkey did in cyprus, they have a minority then start slowly demanding more things like turkish schools to then eventually demand their own state and president.... germany is doing the right thing imo

What? We always had Turkish schools here in Cyprus, we never "demanded it" we just open them.

Jews have schools in every country, so do the Brits and the Americans, what is wrong with that?

it starts with something small like schools then escalates and slowly the turks demand more power and more control over what goes on where their minority is. and your armenian minority are not even allowed to speak their own language let alone have a school in turkey for armenians, i remember the turkish guy on tv saying armenian is not a language we wont allow it..

until one day they are there demanding a second state causing problems.

germany knows to keep them from trying anything funny.

WTF are you on about buddy?

There are Armenian schools in Turkey, just as there are Italians, Germans, Austrians, Jewish, LOTS of French, British and US.

They can all speak their language as well, but they also have to teach Turkish. The debate you are on about, is about being able to speak it in the government, political language, and it is about the Kurds. Don't think the others ever had a party there.

Also, like I said, we never "demanded" anything, we ruled this island for 500 years, why would we ever "demand" anything from you?

The Turks were invited to Germany for work, they were welcomed with concerts and confetti, initially, and have been serving that country ever since.

Now there are 3.5 million of them there, I think they have every right to "demand" for their own school, there are probably more Turks there than Germans in Turkey, yet the Germans have a few schools in Turkey and deny Turkish rights back home.

The German policy is clearly to brainwash them into becoming German, just like you want to do with us.

That is not acceptable.

i agree but with the turks you have to be extra careful... if it where any other minority it would be even more wrong.. no one forces them turks to be in germany, if they dont like it they can go home to turkey