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[Piratis]

GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.

GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.

One of the stupidest remarks you can ever make is the suggestion that "we want to keep Cyprus in the middle ages" as if we enjoy living in the middle ages

There are some aspects of the middle ages that some TCs apparently enjoy, such as the discrimination of people based on their religion/ethnicity as it used to be during the Ottoman era in Cyprus.

Modern democratic countries do not discriminate their citizens based on their religion or personal identity.

The south is one of the most racist areas in the EU did you read the last poll you conducted in the south about how the majority of GCs would never accept having a TC boss just because hes a TC?

This is due to the conflict we are currently in. I am sure if you asked the French during German occupation most of them would have similar feelings about the Germans. The German occupation of France is over, they had some time to heal the wounds, and French and Germans are now best buddies (almost).

[Viewpoint]

GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.

GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.

One of the stupidest remarks you can ever make is the suggestion that "we want to keep Cyprus in the middle ages" as if we enjoy living in the middle ages

There are some aspects of the middle ages that some TCs apparently enjoy, such as the discrimination of people based on their religion/ethnicity as it used to be during the Ottoman era in Cyprus.

Modern democratic countries do not discriminate their citizens based on their religion or personal identity.

The south is one of the most racist areas in the EU did you read the last poll you conducted in the south about how the majority of GCs would never accept having a TC boss just because hes a TC?

This is due to the conflict we are currently in. I am sure if you asked the French during German occupation most of them would have similar feelings about the Germans. The German occupation of France is over, they had some time to heal the wounds, and French and Germans are now best buddies (almost).

Read the above article its not just aimed at us you are conditioned that way. Plus GCs discrimination against TCs was rampant well before 1974 its nothing new.

[Piratis]

Cypriots admit to widespread discrimination

HOMOPHOBIA is rampant throughout Cypriot society, according to a recent EU survey, which found that almost three-quarters of all Cypriots admitted to discriminating against homosexuals.

The figure puts Cyprus higher than any other member state of the European Union, according to the Eurobarometer survey on discrimination.

Of the 506 people who were surveyed in March 2008, 61 per cent of respondents said they had issues with people of other races.

According to the study, the highest level of discrimination in Cyprus is reserved for sexual orientation, with 73 per cent of those questioned saying they discriminate against homosexuals. The figure puts Cyprus 20 per cent higher than the European average.

The second highest level of discrimination is ethnic origin (61 per cent), which is in line with the 62 per cent European average.

Around one in three Cypriots admitted to negative feelings towards people with disabilities, which is lower than the EU average of 45 per cent.

While admitting prejudices, Cypriots buck the EU averages when it comes to socialising with people from different minorities, with 63 per cent of respondents saying they had friends of a different religion and almost 75 per cent saying they had friends of a different race. The EU averages are 61 and 55 per cent respectively.

The figure for having a friend of a different race forms a bell-curve when split into age-groups, with the current generation of overseas university graduates (25-39), having the larger percentage (86%). Even though only 63 per cent of people over 55 said they had a friend of a different ethnic origin, this was still way above the EU average for the same age group of 41%.

Those surveyed were also asked if they had experienced discrimination over a twelve month period. Around 85 per cent felt they were not but of the 14 per cent who said they had felt they a victim of bias, most said it was for reasons other than age, ethnicity, gender or religion.

No one had felt discriminated for their disabilities or sexual orientation.

Comfort with having a minority group as one’s neighbour varies in Cyprus, depending on which minority was presented: respondents felt they would be most comfortable with having a disabled neighbour; a person with a different religion or belief or having a homosexual as a neighbour. They seemed more hesitant about having a Roma as a neighbour.

Concerning politics, Cypriots feel most comfortable having a person from a different religion, a woman or even a disabled person elected in a political position rather than having a homosexual. According to the results, Cypriots feel more comfortable with a political leader aged under 30 than one over 75 years of age, though both these figures are betrayed by a quick look at our House of Representatives.

One in two Europeans feel that enough effort is made in their country to fight all forms of discrimination, with two-thirds of Cypriots agreeing.

Cypriots aged 25-39 feel that the efforts to stop discrimination are not enough. Those who have finished their education (aged over 20) are the most aware that not enough effort is made.

The majority of Cypriots are more in favour of providing equal opportunities for employment in the areas of disability, age, gender, religion, and sexual orientation than the rest of Europe. Cypriots and the EU are in equal favour for providing equal opportunities for ethnic groups.

As far as knowing their rights go, Cypriots are split down the middle, with half saying they do and half saying they don’t know their rights.


(Source: Cyprus Mail)

This article shows that Cypriots are more homophobic, but not that they are more racist than the average European.

Do you think TCs or Turks would get better results when it comes to homosexuals? I personally doubt it.

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Cypriots admit to widespread discrimination

HOMOPHOBIA is rampant throughout Cypriot society, according to a recent EU survey, which found that almost three-quarters of all Cypriots admitted to discriminating against homosexuals.

The figure puts Cyprus higher than any other member state of the European Union, according to the Eurobarometer survey on discrimination.

Of the 506 people who were surveyed in March 2008, 61 per cent of respondents said they had issues with people of other races.

According to the study, the highest level of discrimination in Cyprus is reserved for sexual orientation, with 73 per cent of those questioned saying they discriminate against homosexuals. The figure puts Cyprus 20 per cent higher than the European average.

The second highest level of discrimination is ethnic origin (61 per cent), which is in line with the 62 per cent European average.

Around one in three Cypriots admitted to negative feelings towards people with disabilities, which is lower than the EU average of 45 per cent.

While admitting prejudices, Cypriots buck the EU averages when it comes to socialising with people from different minorities, with 63 per cent of respondents saying they had friends of a different religion and almost 75 per cent saying they had friends of a different race. The EU averages are 61 and 55 per cent respectively.

The figure for having a friend of a different race forms a bell-curve when split into age-groups, with the current generation of overseas university graduates (25-39), having the larger percentage (86%). Even though only 63 per cent of people over 55 said they had a friend of a different ethnic origin, this was still way above the EU average for the same age group of 41%.

Those surveyed were also asked if they had experienced discrimination over a twelve month period. Around 85 per cent felt they were not but of the 14 per cent who said they had felt they a victim of bias, most said it was for reasons other than age, ethnicity, gender or religion.

No one had felt discriminated for their disabilities or sexual orientation.

Comfort with having a minority group as one’s neighbour varies in Cyprus, depending on which minority was presented: respondents felt they would be most comfortable with having a disabled neighbour; a person with a different religion or belief or having a homosexual as a neighbour. They seemed more hesitant about having a Roma as a neighbour.

Concerning politics, Cypriots feel most comfortable having a person from a different religion, a woman or even a disabled person elected in a political position rather than having a homosexual. According to the results, Cypriots feel more comfortable with a political leader aged under 30 than one over 75 years of age, though both these figures are betrayed by a quick look at our House of Representatives.

One in two Europeans feel that enough effort is made in their country to fight all forms of discrimination, with two-thirds of Cypriots agreeing.

Cypriots aged 25-39 feel that the efforts to stop discrimination are not enough. Those who have finished their education (aged over 20) are the most aware that not enough effort is made.

The majority of Cypriots are more in favour of providing equal opportunities for employment in the areas of disability, age, gender, religion, and sexual orientation than the rest of Europe. Cypriots and the EU are in equal favour for providing equal opportunities for ethnic groups.

As far as knowing their rights go, Cypriots are split down the middle, with half saying they do and half saying they don’t know their rights.


(Source: Cyprus Mail)

This article shows that Cypriots are more homophobic, but not that they are more racist than the average European.

Do you think TCs or Turks would get better results when it comes to homosexuals? I personally doubt it.

We are trying to analyse how the majority would deal with the minority if we ever united and why we ask for structures that would guarantee discrimination and racists are not allowed to manipulate the majority to the detriment of the minority who in this case would be the TCs. The Gcs mindset is put on show and you are well known for your attitude towards Tcs well before the Turks arrived you have never been tolerant, understanding or inclusive of the TCs, these modern day reports reveal that nothing has really changed and that exposing the Tcs to this danger is why we tend to ask for protection which you have difficulty understanding. Your dismissive attitude only fuels our need for more and more measures to counter the degree of your exposed threat.

[Hermes]

Read the above article its not just aimed at us you are conditioned that way. Plus GCs discrimination against TCs was rampant well before 1974 its nothing new.

A Turk accuses other races of racism! Are these people completely without shame? The nation that systematically wiped out the Christian population of Asia Minor, invented and carried out the first modern genocide, discriminates against its own Kurdish minority, enforces a racial partition in Cyprus and is today ravaged by Islamic extremism and anti-Semitism.

Talk about the pot calling the fucking kettle black!

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Read the above article its not just aimed at us you are conditioned that way. Plus GCs discrimination against TCs was rampant well before 1974 its nothing new.

A Turk accuses other races of racism! Are these people completely without shame? The nation that systematically wiped out the Christian population of Asia Minor, invented and carried out the first modern genocide, discriminates against its own Kurdish minority, enforces a racial partition in Cyprus and is today ravaged by Islamic extremism and anti-Semitism.

Talk about the pot calling the fucking kettle black!

We are not talking about Turks we are talking about GCs, why are you finding it difficult to face your daemons?

[Hermes]

We are not talking about Turks we are talking about GCs, why are you finding it difficult to face your daemons?

Try and understand. The ROC is in the European Union now. In case you don't know, in order to join the EU you have to adopt the EU acquis. The complete body of EU legislation is around 30,000 legal acts. It is more than 100,000 pages long.

Candidate countries are required to adapt their administrative and institutional infrastructures and to bring their national legislation in line with Community legislation in the areas of the different chapters. These are reviewed during the screening of the acquis and are evaluated regularly up until the time each chapter is closed.

Chapter 19 is the chapter on Social Policy and Employment. I quote:

The acquis in the social field includes minimum standards in the areas of labour law, equality, health and safety at work and anti-discrimination.

The point of this is so you realise the ROC is subject to European law. Any citizen can bring a case against the ROC with regards to its obligations under any of the chapters.

A T/C would have more rights in the ROC than he currently has in the "TRNC" where you are currently on the path to oblivion. Comprende?

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We are not talking about Turks we are talking about GCs, why are you finding it difficult to face your daemons?

Try and understand. The ROC is in the European Union now. In case you don't know, in order to join the EU you have to adopt the EU acquis. The complete body of EU legislation is around 30,000 legal acts. It is more than 100,000 pages long.

Candidate countries are required to adapt their administrative and institutional infrastructures and to bring their national legislation in line with Community legislation in the areas of the different chapters. These are reviewed during the screening of the acquis and are evaluated regularly up until the time each chapter is closed.

Chapter 19 is the chapter on Social Policy and Employment. I quote:

The acquis in the social field includes minimum standards in the areas of labour law, equality, health and safety at work and anti-discrimination.

The point of this is so you realise the ROC is subject to European law. Any citizen can bring a case against the ROC with regards to its obligations under any of the chapters.

A T/C would have more rights in the ROC than he currently has in the "TRNC" where you are currently on the path to oblivion. Comprende?

So your saying we would have to go to the ECHR and wait in line for some 10 years for our rights?

Hermes whats with this oblivion shit? the alternative is unthinkable and we have made our choice, why cant you understand that "oblivion" is preferred to a bad solution with you people, we will not be a minority in a GC state......you also have to understand that we are proud of our Turkish roots so your snidy remarks do not mean jack shit.

[Hermes]

So your saying we would have to go to the ECHR and wait in line for some 10 years for our rights?

Our domestic law is EU law. There are employment tribunals at local level. It's good enough for the whole of Europe so it should be fucking good enough for Turkish Cypriots.

Hermes whats with this oblivion shit? the alternative is unthinkable and we have made our choice, why cant you understand that "oblivion" is preferred to a bad solution with you people, we will not be a minority in a GC state......you also have to understand that we are proud of our Turkish roots so your snidy remarks do not mean jack shit.

"Vote Viewpoint! Choose Oblivion!" I recommend that as your next election slogan.

[Piratis]

Cypriots admit to widespread discrimination

HOMOPHOBIA is rampant throughout Cypriot society, according to a recent EU survey, which found that almost three-quarters of all Cypriots admitted to discriminating against homosexuals.

The figure puts Cyprus higher than any other member state of the European Union, according to the Eurobarometer survey on discrimination.

Of the 506 people who were surveyed in March 2008, 61 per cent of respondents said they had issues with people of other races.

According to the study, the highest level of discrimination in Cyprus is reserved for sexual orientation, with 73 per cent of those questioned saying they discriminate against homosexuals. The figure puts Cyprus 20 per cent higher than the European average.

The second highest level of discrimination is ethnic origin (61 per cent), which is in line with the 62 per cent European average.

Around one in three Cypriots admitted to negative feelings towards people with disabilities, which is lower than the EU average of 45 per cent.

While admitting prejudices, Cypriots buck the EU averages when it comes to socialising with people from different minorities, with 63 per cent of respondents saying they had friends of a different religion and almost 75 per cent saying they had friends of a different race. The EU averages are 61 and 55 per cent respectively.

The figure for having a friend of a different race forms a bell-curve when split into age-groups, with the current generation of overseas university graduates (25-39), having the larger percentage (86%). Even though only 63 per cent of people over 55 said they had a friend of a different ethnic origin, this was still way above the EU average for the same age group of 41%.

Those surveyed were also asked if they had experienced discrimination over a twelve month period. Around 85 per cent felt they were not but of the 14 per cent who said they had felt they a victim of bias, most said it was for reasons other than age, ethnicity, gender or religion.

No one had felt discriminated for their disabilities or sexual orientation.

Comfort with having a minority group as one’s neighbour varies in Cyprus, depending on which minority was presented: respondents felt they would be most comfortable with having a disabled neighbour; a person with a different religion or belief or having a homosexual as a neighbour. They seemed more hesitant about having a Roma as a neighbour.

Concerning politics, Cypriots feel most comfortable having a person from a different religion, a woman or even a disabled person elected in a political position rather than having a homosexual. According to the results, Cypriots feel more comfortable with a political leader aged under 30 than one over 75 years of age, though both these figures are betrayed by a quick look at our House of Representatives.

One in two Europeans feel that enough effort is made in their country to fight all forms of discrimination, with two-thirds of Cypriots agreeing.

Cypriots aged 25-39 feel that the efforts to stop discrimination are not enough. Those who have finished their education (aged over 20) are the most aware that not enough effort is made.

The majority of Cypriots are more in favour of providing equal opportunities for employment in the areas of disability, age, gender, religion, and sexual orientation than the rest of Europe. Cypriots and the EU are in equal favour for providing equal opportunities for ethnic groups.

As far as knowing their rights go, Cypriots are split down the middle, with half saying they do and half saying they don’t know their rights.


(Source: Cyprus Mail)

This article shows that Cypriots are more homophobic, but not that they are more racist than the average European.

Do you think TCs or Turks would get better results when it comes to homosexuals? I personally doubt it.

We are trying to analyse how the majority would deal with the minority if we ever united and why we ask for structures that would guarantee discrimination and racists are not allowed to manipulate the majority to the detriment of the minority who in this case would be the TCs. The Gcs mindset is put on show and you are well known for your attitude towards Tcs well before the Turks arrived you have never been tolerant, understanding or inclusive of the TCs, these modern day reports reveal that nothing has really changed and that exposing the Tcs to this danger is why we tend to ask for protection which you have difficulty understanding. Your dismissive attitude only fuels our need for more and more measures to counter the degree of your exposed threat.

The TCs are not the only minority in Cyprus and we never had any problem with any other minority.

I fully support any structures that can prevent racist discriminations. Unfortunately what you want is exactly the opposite: Structures that would institutionalize racist discriminations and segregation and divide the Cypriot people along ethnic lines.

You have never been tolerant or understanding of the GCs either (for example: How did you treat the over 10.000 GCs that stayed in the occupied areas after 74?) and the reason for this mutual intolerance is that we were forced to live under systems that divided us and discriminated between Christians/Greeks and Muslim/Turks.

The solution to this is for Cyprus to be allowed to move into the 21st century and adopt a modern democratic system that would treat all citizens equally, and would not discriminate them based on their race or religion. Only under such a system tolerance and understanding can develop.