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Postby shahmaran » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:21 pm

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Viewpoint wrote:GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.



GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.


One of the stupidest remarks you can ever make is the suggestion that "we want to keep Cyprus in the middle ages" as if we enjoy living in the middle ages :lol:

Clearly there are factors that are beyond ours and Turkeys control (that would only leave you) in this equation, which is keeping us from moving forwards.

So obviously it is not just up to us that Cyprus is in its current form.

You have to start taking responsibilities Piratis, nothing positive would come from being a solid piece of rock that has no computing capabilities.

You might as well just stand there with a sign in your hand :lol:
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Postby Piratis » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:22 pm

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Piratis wrote:Halil, I will save you from the trouble to flood this thread with copy & paste posts (which you apparently make to bury our posts) by giving a link direct to the book you are copying from:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bjGsbt ... frontcover

Anybody who is interested can read that book (including the parts you left out), as well as tons of other books about Cyprus (most of which would not be promoted by you as they wouldn't fit your agenda).


Right so its ok when you copy and paste all the time?


I don't copy paste whole books. I just provide evidence, mostly from international organizations, when something I say is disputed.
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:25 pm

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Piratis wrote:Halil, I will save you from the trouble to flood this thread with copy & paste posts (which you apparently make to bury our posts) by giving a link direct to the book you are copying from:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bjGsbt ... frontcover

Anybody who is interested can read that book (including the parts you left out), as well as tons of other books about Cyprus (most of which would not be promoted by you as they wouldn't fit your agenda).


Right so its ok when you copy and paste all the time?


I don't copy paste whole books. I just provide evidence, mostly from international organizations, when something I say is disputed.


You copy and paste entire pages sometimes paragraphs, occasionally misquoting or taking them out of context, have a couple of Youtube videos, and thats about it.

Overall it is just repetition.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:25 pm

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.



GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.


GC contributors claimed that this is not allowed in the south, so ask them why they are lying.

As for trying to advance in the area of stamping out discrimination and avoiding the majority misusing their advantage against the minorities why do you object so aggressively about having a structure in place that will deter and punish these practices?
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Postby Piratis » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:28 pm

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Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.



GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.


One of the stupidest remarks you can ever make is the suggestion that "we want to keep Cyprus in the middle ages" as if we enjoy living in the middle ages :lol:


There are some aspects of the middle ages that some TCs apparently enjoy, such as the discrimination of people based on their religion/ethnicity as it used to be during the Ottoman era in Cyprus.

Modern democratic countries do not discriminate their citizens based on their religion or personal identity.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:31 pm

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shahmaran wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.



GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.


One of the stupidest remarks you can ever make is the suggestion that "we want to keep Cyprus in the middle ages" as if we enjoy living in the middle ages :lol:


There are some aspects of the middle ages that some TCs apparently enjoy, such as the discrimination of people based on their religion/ethnicity as it used to be during the Ottoman era in Cyprus.

Modern democratic countries do not discriminate their citizens based on their religion or personal identity.


The south is one of the most racist areas in the EU did you read the last poll you conducted in the south about how the majority of GCs would never accept having a TC boss just because hes a TC?
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Postby Piratis » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:32 pm

shahmaran wrote:
Piratis wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
Piratis wrote:Halil, I will save you from the trouble to flood this thread with copy & paste posts (which you apparently make to bury our posts) by giving a link direct to the book you are copying from:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bjGsbt ... frontcover

Anybody who is interested can read that book (including the parts you left out), as well as tons of other books about Cyprus (most of which would not be promoted by you as they wouldn't fit your agenda).


Right so its ok when you copy and paste all the time?


I don't copy paste whole books. I just provide evidence, mostly from international organizations, when something I say is disputed.


You copy and paste entire pages sometimes paragraphs, occasionally misquoting or taking them out of context, have a couple of Youtube videos, and thats about it.

Overall it is just repetition.


I never misquote, and what I quote is always in context. Also I don't remember the last time I copied a whole page, it must have been ages ago (literally).
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Postby Piratis » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.



GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.


GC contributors claimed that this is not allowed in the south, so ask them why they are lying.

As for trying to advance in the area of stamping out discrimination and avoiding the majority misusing their advantage against the minorities why do you object so aggressively about having a structure in place that will deter and punish these practices?


So you believe and you repeat whatever you are told as long as it suits you without even trying to confirm if it is true or not?

And I don't object at all in having structures, as they exist in every other democratic country, that protect the minorities.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:38 pm

Cypriots admit to widespread discrimination

HOMOPHOBIA is rampant throughout Cypriot society, according to a recent EU survey, which found that almost three-quarters of all Cypriots admitted to discriminating against homosexuals.

The figure puts Cyprus higher than any other member state of the European Union, according to the Eurobarometer survey on discrimination.

Of the 506 people who were surveyed in March 2008, 61 per cent of respondents said they had issues with people of other races.

According to the study, the highest level of discrimination in Cyprus is reserved for sexual orientation, with 73 per cent of those questioned saying they discriminate against homosexuals. The figure puts Cyprus 20 per cent higher than the European average.

The second highest level of discrimination is ethnic origin (61 per cent), which is in line with the 62 per cent European average.

Around one in three Cypriots admitted to negative feelings towards people with disabilities, which is lower than the EU average of 45 per cent.

While admitting prejudices, Cypriots buck the EU averages when it comes to socialising with people from different minorities, with 63 per cent of respondents saying they had friends of a different religion and almost 75 per cent saying they had friends of a different race. The EU averages are 61 and 55 per cent respectively.

The figure for having a friend of a different race forms a bell-curve when split into age-groups, with the current generation of overseas university graduates (25-39), having the larger percentage (86%). Even though only 63 per cent of people over 55 said they had a friend of a different ethnic origin, this was still way above the EU average for the same age group of 41%.

Those surveyed were also asked if they had experienced discrimination over a twelve month period. Around 85 per cent felt they were not but of the 14 per cent who said they had felt they a victim of bias, most said it was for reasons other than age, ethnicity, gender or religion.

No one had felt discriminated for their disabilities or sexual orientation.

Comfort with having a minority group as one’s neighbour varies in Cyprus, depending on which minority was presented: respondents felt they would be most comfortable with having a disabled neighbour; a person with a different religion or belief or having a homosexual as a neighbour. They seemed more hesitant about having a Roma as a neighbour.

Concerning politics, Cypriots feel most comfortable having a person from a different religion, a woman or even a disabled person elected in a political position rather than having a homosexual. According to the results, Cypriots feel more comfortable with a political leader aged under 30 than one over 75 years of age, though both these figures are betrayed by a quick look at our House of Representatives.

One in two Europeans feel that enough effort is made in their country to fight all forms of discrimination, with two-thirds of Cypriots agreeing.

Cypriots aged 25-39 feel that the efforts to stop discrimination are not enough. Those who have finished their education (aged over 20) are the most aware that not enough effort is made.

The majority of Cypriots are more in favour of providing equal opportunities for employment in the areas of disability, age, gender, religion, and sexual orientation than the rest of Europe. Cypriots and the EU are in equal favour for providing equal opportunities for ethnic groups.

As far as knowing their rights go, Cypriots are split down the middle, with half saying they do and half saying they don’t know their rights.


(Source: Cyprus Mail)
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Oct 26, 2010 11:41 pm

Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:GCs have never been trusted to uphold equality andnon discrimination due to past problems. Even today you are one of the most racist societies in the EU a christian can still not marry a muslim in the south. We need strict guidelines that will guarantee that the majority cannot use their majority rights to discrminate against any one group due to their differecies be it ethnic backround religion etc.



GCs are no different than most other southern European people (and way better than Turkey in this respect), and considering the fact that Cyprus gained its independence just 50 years ago and we had so many problems due to the conflict and the Turkish invasion, our current level is quite remarkable. There is of course space for a lot of improvement and the majority of us want Cyprus to progress in this and every other respect, as opposed to people like yourself who are looking for excuses to keep Cyprus in the middle ages.

And who told you that a Christian can not marry a Muslim? My own cousin did just that without a problem whatsoever. You are obviously missing something.


GC contributors claimed that this is not allowed in the south, so ask them why they are lying.

As for trying to advance in the area of stamping out discrimination and avoiding the majority misusing their advantage against the minorities why do you object so aggressively about having a structure in place that will deter and punish these practices?


So you believe and you repeat whatever you are told as long as it suits you without even trying to confirm if it is true or not?

And I don't object at all in having structures, as they exist in every other democratic country, that protect the minorities.


You should be telling you own people not to lie and mislead people not shoot the messenger.

Then we agree on putting place structures that will ensure that GCs cannot discriminate against TCs or vice versa. How would you go about this? let start with the government in a united Cyprus.
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