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[BirKibrisli]

No,dear Piratis,pathetic is your attempts to put words in my mouth,to mislead people about what I am saying...Show me one line in all my posts here where I excuse the murdering of one person,let alone thousands...You can misinterpret what I am saying all you like...It will not change the reality..The reality you and your soulmates will always turn a blind eye to...You are the ones who are justifying the demand for Enosis,the tearing up of the foundation agreement of the RoC,excusing the exile of the TCs into enclaves,and denying their second class treatment in their own country during 1963-74 period...You have put your heads firmly in the official GC state propaganda guidelines,and you only lift your heads up to spew more of the lame arguments,while denying real life experiences of people like myself...I am not threatening anyone with anything...I am stating the obvious conclusion...Since by your arguments it is obvious the fanatical GC mentality is alive and well in Cyprus,given half the chance the mistreatment and the abuse you dished out to the Tcs in the past will inevitably be repeated...Now that you are more numerous and much better armed and trained than you were in 1974, more Turkish troops will be needed to keep the citizens of Northern Cyprus safe from fanatics like youself and others in this forum...It makes perfect sense...

When you excuse the invasion what exactly are you excusing if not the murder of 1000s and the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands? This is exactly what the invasion was all about. The Turks didn't make some commando operation to take out Samson, but a full scale invasion, killing and ethnically cleansing innocent people as per their partition plan decided since the 50s.

What I support are only what we have every right for, such as the right of the Cypriot people to freely and democratically decide the destiny of their own island, which includes the right to unite Cyprus with whomever we want, EU, Greece or China (as long as they accept us too).

You on the other hand choose to collaborate with foreign imperialists in order to impose by force your undemocratic and racist terms on the Cypriot people and deny to the people of Cyprus their human and democratic rights. The Turkish side initiated an inter-communal conflict in 1958 and a war in 1974 and the whole Cypriot population suffered, not just TCs. Yet you want to blame exclusively the GC side for what happened so you can use that as an excuse to continue violating the human and democratic rights of the vast majority of the Cypriot population.

Nothing that I support threatens the lives or the human rights of the Turkish Cypriots. What you need the Turkish army for is to blackmail us even more and gain even more on our expense. You want to take away our human and democratic rights, you want to take from us a large portion of our lands, and you want your minority of 18% to gain a disproportionally large amount of power. This is why you want the Turkish army.

Piratis, I read 1 or 100 of your postes, they are all the same rubbish. I wonder sometimes if you are real or a computer program.

It would be okey if he was a computer program.The problem is he is a real person programmed to chern out official GC state propaganda lines...Piratis will not allow any doubt sip into his mind,that maybe just maybe,others might have a valid point...His tactic are obvious now...He pays lip service to the suffering of the TCs but justifies it in the same breath by saying more GCs have suffered and for longer...Then he accuses anyone who questions his arguments of excusing murder and ethnic cleansing...It is impossible to have a real conversation with him...A computer would have some artificial intelligence...Piratis have no emnotional intelligence....He is a sad case,bur perhaps he is the smartest person on this Forum...He gets paid for doing what he does...

[Piratis]

Once again you lose the argument and you resort to personal attacks having nothing more to say.

You only want to remember the parts of history that suit you, so with half truth you can excuse the invasion and the demands you have today. I do recognize the suffering of TCs, but that is only a part of the truth, not the whole truth as Turkish propagandists would have us believe. When the whole truth is presented (e.g. that it is the TCs and Turks who started both the inter-communal conflict and the war of 74, and that indeed GCs suffered for longer and had more casualties) then your excuses for ethnic cleansing and the racist demands that you continue to have from the 50s until today became totally baseless.

What is sad is that you don't want from us just to recognize the truth in your position (e.g. that TCs suffered in the 60s) but you also expect from us to erase from our memory the truths about our own suffering and your share of responsibility for this suffering. Only with half truths you can excuse ethnic cleansing and the demands for racist discrimination and segregation, and this is why you refuse to accept the whole truth.

On the other hand what I support is that all criminal actions against innocent people are inexcusable, regardless if they were TCs or GCs, and that the way forward is not trying to excuse yet more human rights violations against people simply because they belong to a certain race or ethnic group, but on the contrary restore the human rights of those people, abolish all kinds of racist discriminations, and finally be allowed to have in Cyprus the kind of state that we should have been allowed to have in the first place: A democratic, free state were all citizens are equal without the racist discriminations and segregation which has been imposed on our island in the past. This is the only way forward.

[shahmaran]

Once again you lose the argument and you resort to personal attacks having nothing more to say.

You only want to remember the parts of history that suit you, so with half truth you can excuse the invasion and the demands you have today. I do recognize the suffering of TCs, but that is only a part of the truth, not the whole truth as Turkish propagandists would have us believe. When the whole truth is presented (e.g. that it is the TCs and Turks who started both the inter-communal conflict and the war of 74, and that indeed GCs suffered for longer and had more casualties) then your excuses for ethnic cleansing and the racist demands that you continue to have from the 50s until today became totally baseless.

What is sad is that you don't want from us just to recognize the truth in your position (e.g. that TCs suffered in the 60s) but you also expect from us to erase from our memory the truths about our own suffering and your share of responsibility for this suffering. Only with half truths you can excuse ethnic cleansing and the demands for racist discrimination and segregation, and this is why you refuse to accept the whole truth.

On the other hand what I support is that all criminal actions against innocent people are inexcusable, regardless if they were TCs or GCs, and that the way forward is not trying to excuse yet more human rights violations against people simply because they belong to a certain race or ethnic group, but on the contrary restore the human rights of those people, abolish all kinds of racist discriminations, and finally be allowed to have in Cyprus the kind of state that we should have been allowed to have in the first place: A democratic, free state were all citizens are equal without the racist discriminations and segregation which has been imposed on our island in the past. This is the only way forward.

Both Makarios and Sampson wanted Turks out, they said it themselves, how can you still stand there spewing the usual repetitive rubbish and say that we started the war!? I guess it was the TC's dressed up as GC police terrorizing everyone as well? Why did they not want a state free from racism back then?

[halil]

Turkish Cypriot concerns about enosis grew during the 1940s, and particularly after the 1950 plebiscite in which the Greek Cypriot community unanimously voted in favour of it. The Turkish Cypriot élite and the population at large were still relatively content with British rule. However, well aware of the discriminatory treatment of the Turks/Muslims in former Ottoman areas annexed to Greece, the Turkish Cypriots fiercely rejected union with Greece. This spontaneous rejection, nurtured by the British, led to a British-Turkish Cypriot front against EOKA in the mid-1950s. In 1956 the Turkish Cypriots began countering EOKA through the armed movement
Volkan and then, in 1957, the TMT (Turk Mukavemet Teskilati). By 1957 the Turkish Cypriot community and Turkey had formulated their own counter-position to enosis: taksim, or partition of the island into Greek and Turkish Cypriot zones.

By the late 1950s, the main parties were at loggerheads with each other. The Greek Cypriots and Greece were pushing for enosis, while the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey responded with demands for taksim. The British, meanwhile, were determined to retain full sovereignty of the island.The path for compromise was cleared,
however, with a shift in the British position in late 1957. The compromise solution between the extremes of enosis and taksim was independence. In 1959, a framework agreement was worked out in Zurich between the Greek and Turkish Prime Ministers.It was immediately followed by the signature of fully-fledged treaties in London,which were also signed by the British and by Archbishop Makarios and Fazil Kucuk, representing the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities respectively. The parties
agreed on a basic structure for the new, independent Republic of Cyprus (RoC) which explicitly ruled out both enosis and taksim. Under the agreement, Britain retained sovereignty over the military bases of Dhekelia and Akrotiri.


At the same time, the parties also signed Treaties of Guarantee and of
Alliance. The Treaty of Guarantee was intended to “ensure the independence, territorial integrity and security” of the Republic of Cyprus and to prevent its “political or economic union with any state whatsoever”


more to come later on...... who are wants to read truth ..............

[Hermes]

Both Makarios and Sampson wanted Turks out, they said it themselves, how can you still stand there spewing the usual repetitive rubbish and say that we started the war!?

Do you think that TCs are innocent of any crimes during the last fifty years? Didn't T/Cs collaborate with the British colonialists in the 1950s? Didn't they form the TMT and kill innocent GCs starting the inter-communal conflict? Didn't they agitate for partition throughout the 1960s at the behest of Ankara? Didn't they collaborate with the Turkish army killing innocent GCs in 1974? And since then and down to the present day, don't T/Cs collaborate with the invaders, illegally occupy the north of our country, sell our property to foreigners and murder innocent unarmed GCs who protest against their atrocities?

Given their record of crimes and aggression, is there any reason why Greek Cypriots should trust Turkish Cypriots? And despite your crimes, the G/Cs still allow you to work in the south, give you health care, passports and pensions and show a willingness not to deny you your entitlement as citizens of the Republic?

Isn't the reason for your paranoid fears a knowledge that you have committed real crimes and assisted in the dismemberment of this island? That you have violated your bond of trust with this island and fear that you no longer have a place in it? Other than in a Turkish province that would allow you to forget your crimes and blame the Other side for your predicament? Unfortunately, you have no such comfort. You have to face your history with the very people you turned against and whose land you illegally occupy. Is that why you cannot look us in the eye and instead retreat into the lies and rhetoric of the past?

[shahmaran]

Both Makarios and Sampson wanted Turks out, they said it themselves, how can you still stand there spewing the usual repetitive rubbish and say that we started the war!?

Do you think that TCs are innocent of any crimes during the last fifty years? Didn't T/Cs collaborate with the British colonialists in the 1950s? Didn't they form the TMT and kill innocent GCs starting the inter-communal conflict? Didn't they agitate for partition throughout the 1960s at the behest of Ankara? Didn't they collaborate with the Turkish army killing innocent GCs in 1974? And since then and down to the present day, don't T/Cs collaborate with the invaders, illegally occupy the north of our country, sell our property to foreigners and murder innocent unarmed GCs who protest against their atrocities?

Given their record of crimes and aggression, is there any reason why Greek Cypriots should trust Turkish Cypriots? And despite your crimes, the G/Cs still allow you to work in the south, give you health care, passports and pensions and show a willingness not to deny you your entitlement as citizens of the Republic?

Isn't the reason for your paranoid fears a knowledge that you have committed real crimes and assisted in the dismemberment of this island? That you have violated your bond of trust with this island and fear that you no longer have a place in it? Other than in a Turkish province that would allow you to forget your crimes and blame the Other side for your predicament? Unfortunately, you have no such comfort. You have to face your history with the very people you turned against and whose land you illegally occupy. Is that why you cannot look us in the eye and instead retreat into the lies and rhetoric of the past?

Have you just totally skipped over Halil's post?

Explains exactly what came first and who did what for what reason.

[Hermes]

Have you just totally skipped over Halil's post?

Explains exactly what came first and who did what for what reason.

The Greek Cypriot aspiration for Enosis in the 1950s was a legitimate response to the British colonial occupation of Cyprus. It was not directed against Turkish Cypriots. Whereas the Turkish Cypriot campaign for partition in the 1960s was wholly targeted against the Greek Cypriot majority with support from Turkey.

The Turkish Cypriot minority were initially encouraged to turn on the Greeks by the British authorities in the 1950s as part of their "divide and rule" strategy. You became pawns of the British then of Turkey. Collaborators with the two former colonial powers - you defined yourselves not as partners in a new state but in opposition to the island's majority.

The Turkish Cypriots have much to answer for in Cyprus. Collaborators is a dirty word in the West with its resonance of those who sided with the Nazis during WW2. But collaborators is what you are. Turkish Cypriots have allowed themselves to be used and in the process have abandoned self-respect and turned themselves gleefully into thieves and squatters in the north. Despite the green line you cannot hide yourselves from the island's majority community whose land you currently squat on and shamelessly exploit. We know your dirty secret and you fear us for it.

Your fate is a slow extinction and absorption at the hands of those who used you for their own ends. It is a sad and sorry tale. Your only possible future and hope for any meaningful survival on the island now lies in a united federal Cyprus - everything you worked against when you threw your lot in with the British and then the invading Turks. The bitter irony of history.

[boomerang]

Turkish Cypriot concerns about enosis grew during the 1940s, and particularly after the 1950 plebiscite in which the Greek Cypriot community unanimously voted in favour of it. The Turkish Cypriot élite and the population at large were still relatively content with British rule. However, well aware of the discriminatory treatment of the Turks/Muslims in former Ottoman areas annexed to Greece, the Turkish Cypriots fiercely rejected union with Greece. This spontaneous rejection, nurtured by the British, led to a British-Turkish Cypriot front against EOKA in the mid-1950s. In 1956 the Turkish Cypriots began countering EOKA through the armed movement
Volkan and then, in 1957, the TMT (Turk Mukavemet Teskilati). By 1957 the Turkish Cypriot community and Turkey had formulated their own counter-position to enosis: taksim, or partition of the island into Greek and Turkish Cypriot zones.

By the late 1950s, the main parties were at loggerheads with each other. The Greek Cypriots and Greece were pushing for enosis, while the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey responded with demands for taksim. The British, meanwhile, were determined to retain full sovereignty of the island.The path for compromise was cleared,
however, with a shift in the British position in late 1957. The compromise solution between the extremes of enosis and taksim was independence. In 1959, a framework agreement was worked out in Zurich between the Greek and Turkish Prime Ministers.It was immediately followed by the signature of fully-fledged treaties in London,which were also signed by the British and by Archbishop Makarios and Fazil Kucuk, representing the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities respectively. The parties
agreed on a basic structure for the new, independent Republic of Cyprus (RoC) which explicitly ruled out both enosis and taksim. Under the agreement, Britain retained sovereignty over the military bases of Dhekelia and Akrotiri.


At the same time, the parties also signed Treaties of Guarantee and of
Alliance. The Treaty of Guarantee was intended to “ensure the independence, territorial integrity and security” of the Republic of Cyprus and to prevent its “political or economic union with any state whatsoever”


more to come later on...... who are wants to read truth ..............

try reading some truths out of ahmet's, the turkish FM, book as to turkeys ambitions regarding cyprus...or you think he woke up with a hard on and wrote his book?...

it starts like this...even if there were no turks in cyprus turkey would have......

[B25]

Turkish Cypriot concerns about enosis grew during the 1940s, and particularly after the 1950 plebiscite in which the Greek Cypriot community unanimously voted in favour of it. The Turkish Cypriot élite and the population at large were still relatively content with British rule. However, well aware of the discriminatory treatment of the Turks/Muslims in former Ottoman areas annexed to Greece, the Turkish Cypriots fiercely rejected union with Greece. This spontaneous rejection, nurtured by the British, led to a British-Turkish Cypriot front against EOKA in the mid-1950s. In 1956 the Turkish Cypriots began countering EOKA through the armed movement
Volkan and then, in 1957, the TMT (Turk Mukavemet Teskilati). By 1957 the Turkish Cypriot community and Turkey had formulated their own counter-position to enosis: taksim, or partition of the island into Greek and Turkish Cypriot zones.

By the late 1950s, the main parties were at loggerheads with each other. The Greek Cypriots and Greece were pushing for enosis, while the Turkish Cypriots and Turkey responded with demands for taksim. The British, meanwhile, were determined to retain full sovereignty of the island.The path for compromise was cleared,
however, with a shift in the British position in late 1957. The compromise solution between the extremes of enosis and taksim was independence. In 1959, a framework agreement was worked out in Zurich between the Greek and Turkish Prime Ministers.It was immediately followed by the signature of fully-fledged treaties in London,which were also signed by the British and by Archbishop Makarios and Fazil Kucuk, representing the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities respectively. The parties
agreed on a basic structure for the new, independent Republic of Cyprus (RoC) which explicitly ruled out both enosis and taksim. Under the agreement, Britain retained sovereignty over the military bases of Dhekelia and Akrotiri.


At the same time, the parties also signed Treaties of Guarantee and of
Alliance. The Treaty of Guarantee was intended to “ensure the independence, territorial integrity and security” of the Republic of Cyprus and to prevent its “political or economic union with any state whatsoever”


more to come later on...... who are wants to read truth ..............

try reading some truths out of ahmet's, the turkish FM, book as to turkeys ambitions regarding cyprus...or you think he woke up with a hard on and wrote his book?...

it starts like this...even if there were no turks in cyprus turkey would have......

I thought he said "... If the were no muslims in Cyprus ...."

Eitherway, Turkey was always sore about losing Cyprus since 1878 and has sought ways to get her back. Unfortunately we, or at least some of us MF, helped them.

It has sweet FA to do with the renanents of the ottoman empire long gone.
(aka TCs)

[boomerang]

"Cyprus has a central position in the world land mass, since it is equidistant from Europe, Asia and Africa. Together with Crete, it is on a line which crosses the shipping lanes. Cyprus occupies a position between the Straits which separate Europe from Asia and the Suez canal, whhich separates Europe from Africa, while simultaneously forms a base, an aircraft carrier which can control the pulse of the sea lanes of Aden and Hormuz, along with the basins of the Caspian and the Gulf, the most important links of Eurasia and Africa. A nation that ignores Cyprus cannot be active in world regional politics".

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=29943&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=80

i bet he woke up one day with a hardon and wrote this book...or maybe, just maybe, following the doctrine...

what do you think effendi?...