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Selections from interviewing halil at 2010 by richard gilbert
http://www.halilsamonkeysonline.com/als ... lbert.html

gilbert: do you get a kick out of pointless shit? [editor's note: halil posts lots of pointless 'shit' on CF - from english word for skata]

halil: certainly, yes. this was always my desire.

[Get Real!]

Selections from interviewing Makarios at 1964 by Richard Gilbert
http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/als/_ ... lbert.html


Gilbert: Do you think the Greek people of Cyprus still wish Enosis? [Editor's note: Political movement for the Union of Cyprus with Greece - from the Greek word for union]

Makarios: Certainly, yes. This was always the desire of the people of Cyprus.

Gilbert: If Enosis does come how do you feel, sir, about not being a member of the Commonwealth?

Makarios: I support the Commonwealth as an institution and as long as Cyprus is not united with Greece, we will continue to be a member of the Commonwealth family. The choice, however, between Enosis and Commonwealth is not a difficult one. I shall feel very happy when Cyprus is united with Greece which is our Motherland.


And Turkish Cypriots will accept the Enosis......

And that's why there can never be any agreements except for war... at the right time!

[Hermes]

Have you ever taken the time to talk to TCs who lived through those times, their fear is very real, are they all lieing? or is ti that you do not want to accept the reality which stares you in the face as it will burst your little rightous bubble and you will have to deal with some home truths about your part in the division of today.

And yet you approved of BirKibrisli's post which claims that no T/C was targeted in 1974 prior to the Turkish invasion. And you agreed that T/Cs fears were sincerely-held but turned out to be unfounded - because there was no plan to attack them.

Yet somehow Turkey and its apologists justify the ethnic cleansing of the Greek Cypriots from northern Cyprus by claiming that the Greeks started it. Even though no T/C was attacked during the Athens-backed coup and certainly no campaign of "ethnic cleansing" was directed against the Turkish minority.

And yet we somehow are to blame for the Turkish invasion - including the second invasion after the fall of Sampson and the fools in Athens. It was our fault then and we are asked to take the blame for the continuing Turkish occupation - 36 years after the Turkish invasions.

There is a Turkish pattern here of blaming the victims for Turkish aggression. In the same way that Turkey claims it was the Armenians who attacked the Turks first during the Armenian genocide. The ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Greek Cypriots from their ancestral homes, the rapes, mass executions and eradication of the Christian heritage of the original population is well documented. Turkey still refers to this crime against humanity as a "peace operation" and calls the forced expulsion of the Greeks from northern Cyprus as an "exchange of land".

We are not dealing with hypothetical fears or hypothetical attacks. Or sincerely held "fears". These are real crimes. And we are being asked to take responsibility for this monstrous crime of aggression directed at us?

Trying to blame the victims of ethnic cleansing for their fate is particularly vile. You should be ashamed of yourself. But shame it appears is a particularly difficult concept for a Turk to comprehend.

[Viewpoint]

Hermes

And yet you approved of a post which claims that no T/C was targeted in 1974 prior to the Turkish invasion. And you agreed that T/Cs fears were sincerely-held but turned out to be unfounded - because there was no plan to attack them.

I agreed with overall content of the post and the point Bir was trying to make.

Yet somehow Turkey and its apologists justify the ethnic cleansing of the Greek Cypriots from northern Cyprus by claiming that the Greeks started it. Even though no T/C was attacked during the Athens-backed coup and certainly no campaign of "ethnic cleansing" was directed against the Turkish minority

If you play with a bomb you cannot blame everyone else when it explodes.

And yet we somehow are to blame for the Turkish invasion - including the second invasion after the fall of Sampson and the fools in Athens. It was our fault then and we are asked to take the blame for the continuing Turkish occupation - 36 years after the Turkish invasions.

you gave them the opportunity with your conitnued dream of enosis, no enosis no taksim no intervention.

The TA are still here because we canoot still agree a solution, never forget it was the Gcs that rejected their departure.

There is a Turkish pattern here of blaming the victims for Turkish aggression. In the same way that Turkey claims it was the Armenians who attacked the Turks first during the Armenian genocide. The ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Greek Cypriots from their ancestral homes, the rapes, mass executions and eradication of the Christian heritage of the original population is well documented. Turkey still refers to this crime against humanity as a "peace operation" and calls the forced expulsion of the Greeks from northern Cyprus as an "exchange of land".

You had the chnace to buid a Cypriot country but your warped and turk hating leader kept the enosis dream alive and renegged on an agreement before the ink dried, do you accept any blame?

We are not dealing with hypothetical fears or hypothetical attacks. Or sincerely held "fears". These are real crimes. And we are being asked to take responsibility for this monstrous crime of aggression directed at us?

If you feel threatened or in danger for your life what do you do ignore it or take action to protect yourself. You fight back with everything you have because it turns into a battle for survival. You people were bullies and felt you could have everyhting your own way but when you got bullied yourselves you started to cry wolf. Where were you when we lost our homes or our rights were spat upon?

Trying to blame the victims of ethnic cleansing for their fate is particularly vile. You should be ashamed of yourself.

They should ask those "heros" who promised them enosis why they had to pay such a heavy price.

[Hermes]

They should ask those "heros" who promised them enosis why they had to pay such a heavy price.

You make my point for me. There was no widespread Greek Cypriot desire for enosis in 1974. Just as there was no pogrom of Turkish Cypriots in 1974 during the coup against Makarios. You invent a pretext and claim that everything follows from it. It is time to give it up.

[Viewpoint]

You continue to avoid my questions therefore addressing the real issues and counter with imposing your own opinion. Enosis and tc discrimination was very much alive and kicking why were you not defending our rights back then?

[Hermes]

You continue to avoid my questions therefore addressing the real issues and counter with imposing your own opinion. Enosis and tc discrimination was very much alive and kicking why were you not defending our rights back then?

Are you saying Turkey invaded Cyprus to restore the democratic participation of Turkish Cypriots in the affairs of the Republic? Because I don't see any evidence that this was their intended aim.

[Viewpoint]

Hello the latest attempt was rejected yet again by GCs and we have been discusing restoring our rihhts for the past two years.

[Hermes]

Hello the latest attempt was rejected by GCs and we have been discusing restoring our rihhts for the past two years.

Well we have rights as well. Especially now that we're in the EU and our rights are determined by the EU (as well as the UN, the Geneva Convention and international law).

Unfortunately your rights have been in limbo for 36 years as a result of the Turkish occupation. Not much we can help you with there I'm afraid. Let's hope you find a way to get your rights back soon.

[bill cobbett]

You continue to avoid my questions therefore addressing the real issues and counter with imposing your own opinion. Enosis and tc discrimination was very much alive and kicking why were you not defending our rights back then?

My dear VP, you really are quite amusing in your increasingly desperate attempts, your pissing in the wind ways, to convince your tissy neighbours with this scaremongering eeeeenoseeeees rubbeeeeeeesh you're continually spouting.

Mind you having said that there's one eeenoseeeeest hiding under a stone in every village.... they are regarded as the village fool, and every village needs its fool.