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[shahmaran]

Turkey has the most colorful news in this part of the world, every day is shock shock and incredible shit!

You have gotta stop reading Zaman.

[Hermes]

Clearly trade and flights have not moved her an inch over the last 35 years.

Cyprus joining the EU has forced Turkey to the negotiating table. It's moved Turkey to talk about "the status quo isn't a solution". It's moved Turkey to contemplate withdrawal. It's moved Turkey to try and find a way out of the mess she's in. What the f**k is Turkey negotiating with the Greek Cypriots about? So don't pretend that nothing has happened in 35 years. Turkey is desperately trying to find a way out of Cyprus while maintaining control over the north. Only the Greek Cypriots aren't playing ball. We want total withdrawal. That's a lot further than we were 35 years ago when the "Cyprus problem" was apparently "solved".

[shahmaran]

Clearly trade and flights have not moved her an inch over the last 35 years.

Cyprus joining the EU has forced Turkey to the negotiating table. It's moved Turkey to talk about "the status quo isn't a solution". It's moved Turkey to contemplate withdrawal. It's moved Turkey to try and find a way out of the mess she's in. What the f**k is Turkey negotiating with the Greek Cypriots about? So don't pretend that nothing has happened in 35 years. Turkey is desperately trying to find a way out of Cyprus while maintaining control over the north. Isn't that what the current phase of the negotiations is all about? That's a lot further than we were 35 years ago when the "Cyprus problem" was apparently "solved".

Everything you listed is all about the EU.

Tell me, what did you have on Turkey before you joined? Nothing, she wouldn't recognize you nor talk to you, she still doesn't.

So I ask you again, what will you do when Turkey gives up on the EU?

You have to stop pretending that we do not exist and that this is all about Turkey, you are not giving us much reason to chose you over Turkey are you?

[Hermes]

Clearly trade and flights have not moved her an inch over the last 35 years.

Cyprus joining the EU has forced Turkey to the negotiating table. It's moved Turkey to talk about "the status quo isn't a solution". It's moved Turkey to contemplate withdrawal. It's moved Turkey to try and find a way out of the mess she's in. What the f**k is Turkey negotiating with the Greek Cypriots about? So don't pretend that nothing has happened in 35 years. Turkey is desperately trying to find a way out of Cyprus while maintaining control over the north. Isn't that what the current phase of the negotiations is all about? That's a lot further than we were 35 years ago when the "Cyprus problem" was apparently "solved".

Everything you listed is all about the EU.

Tell me, what did you have on Turkey before you joined? Nothing, she wouldn't recognize you nor talk to you, she still doesn't.

So I ask you again, what will you do when Turkey gives up on the EU?

You have to stop pretending that we do not exist and that this is all about Turkey, you are not giving us much reason to chose you over Turkey are you?

You're kidding right? We are talking to Turkey. Who do you think Eroglu and (before him) Talat represent? Who tells them what their policy is? They aren't free to act on their own initiative. It is Turkey which controls northern Cyprus and it is Turkey which will have the final say on your future. The Turkish Cypriots aren't our interlocutors. If you don't like it - go complain to the Turks.

Remember if you want to choose Turkey then you should do it on Turkish soil. The north of Cyprus isn't Turkish territory. Or did you miss that point in the EU decisions this week?

When has Turkey said it plans to abandon its EU accession process? The EU has said Turkey needs to try harder. That would be my advice too.

[shahmaran]

Blahblah blah don't tell me what is written on paper, tell me what is going on on the ground?

I do not see any Greek authority when I look out my window.

Turkey will stop giving a shit about the EU eventually, but not Cyprus.

[Hermes]

Turkey will stop giving a shit about the EU eventually, but not Cyprus.

You have to realize that one of the reasons the EU doesn't want Turkey in the EU is because it occupies Cyprus. As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus its image in the EU suffers and it shows that it can't be trusted. Turkey has to take bold steps to show that it has changed its policy and is genuinely interested in ending the occupation. By behaving as it does Turkey only feeds the negative image of itself it already has in the EU.

Ending the occupation will boost Turkey's accession process. It's not really that difficult. Turkey had a chance after the failed Annan Plan to make quick moves to ease Greek Cypriot concerns. Instead all it has done has act like a frustrated bully that can't get its own way. It's not been an edifying spectacle.

Turkey has a chance to use the Cyprus issue to its benefit to convince a skeptical EU public that it is a country they can trust. Instead all Turkey does is confirm people's suspicions that the Turkish mentality is stuck in the past. It's self-defeating and not very clever.

[shahmaran]

Turkey will stop giving a shit about the EU eventually, but not Cyprus.

You have to realize that one of the reasons the EU doesn't want Turkey in the EU is because it occupies Cyprus. As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus its image in the EU suffers and it shows that it can't be trusted. Turkey has to take bold steps to show that it has changed its policy and is genuinely interested in ending the occupation. By behaving as it does Turkey only feeds the negative image of itself it already has in the EU.

Ending the occupation will boost Turkey's accession process. It's not really that difficult. Turkey has a chance to use the Cyprus issue to its benefit to convince a skeptical EU public that it is a country they can trust. Instead all Turkey does is confirm people's suspicions that the Turkish mentality is stuck in the past. It's self-defeating and not at all clever.

Hermes, Turkey has been at the door of the EU for how many years now?

Even before UK I believe.

Would multiply your total membership time in many folds.

Cyprus is not the real issue at all, you just made it an issue once you joined.

But even if we are optimistic and for a moment believe that if she gives up on Cyprus for the EU, she still has to overcome France and Germany.

There is no one else who cares about the Cyprus issue, as you can see, as most of the others already want Turkey in.

But it will not go on for ever, Turkey will eventually have to give up as the public loses trust on the EU, which they have already been doing. Once that is over, no politician will have to get up there and lie through their teeth about getting them into the EU.

One day one will stand up and say "I will be the one to tell the EU to go fuck themselves, we do not need them" and you will see all the nationalist go crazy with pride!

And then what are you going to do? What will you have against a country that does not even feel the need to recognize you, even as an EU member?

You're screwed!

We would be screwed too, don't get me wrong. I do not want to be another Turkish island.

[Hermes]

But even if we are optimistic and for a moment believe that if she gives up on Cyprus for the EU, she still has to overcome France and Germany.

My point is that Turkey has to take responsibility if it is serious about joining the EU. It should use the Cyprus issue to demonstrate its good intentions and show it can be trusted. Only that way can it overcome a deeply suspicious European public. Turkey has to overturn attitudes towards it in the EU. What better way than to show a real willingness to work towards a solution in Cyprus that would be acceptable to the majority Greek Cypriots? Instead Turkey seems hellbent on consolidating the division and seeking recognition for the secessionist entity. It's a stupid way to behave. It has got Turkey exactly nowhere.

[miltiades]

Turkey will stop giving a shit about the EU eventually, but not Cyprus.

You have to realize that one of the reasons the EU doesn't want Turkey in the EU is because it occupies Cyprus. As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus its image in the EU suffers and it shows that it can't be trusted. Turkey has to take bold steps to show that it has changed its policy and is genuinely interested in ending the occupation. By behaving as it does Turkey only feeds the negative image of itself it already has in the EU.

Ending the occupation will boost Turkey's accession process. It's not really that difficult. Turkey has a chance to use the Cyprus issue to its benefit to convince a skeptical EU public that it is a country they can trust. Instead all Turkey does is confirm people's suspicions that the Turkish mentality is stuck in the past. It's self-defeating and not at all clever.

Hermes, Turkey has been at the door of the EU for how many years now?

Even before UK I believe.

Would multiply your total membership time in many folds.

Cyprus is not the real issue at all, you just made it an issue once you joined.

But even if we are optimistic and for a moment believe that if she gives up on Cyprus for the EU, she still has to overcome France and Germany.

There is no one else who cares about the Cyprus issue, as you can see, as most of the others already want Turkey in.

But it will not go on for ever, Turkey will eventually have to give up as the public loses trust on the EU, which they have already been doing. Once that is over, no politician will have to get up there and lie through their teeth about getting them into the EU.

One day one will stand up and say "I will be the one to tell the EU to go fuck themselves, we do not need them" and you will see all the nationalist go crazy with pride!

And then what are you going to do? What will you have against a country that does not even feel the need to recognize you, even as an EU member?

You're screwed!

We would be screwed too, don't get me wrong. I do not want to be another Turkish island.

So clever clogs you think Turkey will tell the EU to fuck off do you ?
take a look at this and see who is Turkeys LARGEST trading partner then tell me that Turkey does not need the EU !!!You do really talk rubbish Shah
Main Turkish exports markets in 2007 were the EU (56.4%), Russia (4.4%), USA (3.9%), Romania (3.4%), United Arab Emirates (3.0%) and Iraq (2.6%). Textiles and transport equipment dominate EU imports from Turkey, both accounting for about 24% of the total. Other important imports are machinery (17.7%), and agricultural products (7.1%).

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-oppo ... es/turkey/

[shahmaran]

Turkey will stop giving a shit about the EU eventually, but not Cyprus.

You have to realize that one of the reasons the EU doesn't want Turkey in the EU is because it occupies Cyprus. As long as Turkey occupies Cyprus its image in the EU suffers and it shows that it can't be trusted. Turkey has to take bold steps to show that it has changed its policy and is genuinely interested in ending the occupation. By behaving as it does Turkey only feeds the negative image of itself it already has in the EU.

Ending the occupation will boost Turkey's accession process. It's not really that difficult. Turkey has a chance to use the Cyprus issue to its benefit to convince a skeptical EU public that it is a country they can trust. Instead all Turkey does is confirm people's suspicions that the Turkish mentality is stuck in the past. It's self-defeating and not at all clever.

Hermes, Turkey has been at the door of the EU for how many years now?

Even before UK I believe.

Would multiply your total membership time in many folds.

Cyprus is not the real issue at all, you just made it an issue once you joined.

But even if we are optimistic and for a moment believe that if she gives up on Cyprus for the EU, she still has to overcome France and Germany.

There is no one else who cares about the Cyprus issue, as you can see, as most of the others already want Turkey in.

But it will not go on for ever, Turkey will eventually have to give up as the public loses trust on the EU, which they have already been doing. Once that is over, no politician will have to get up there and lie through their teeth about getting them into the EU.

One day one will stand up and say "I will be the one to tell the EU to go fuck themselves, we do not need them" and you will see all the nationalist go crazy with pride!

And then what are you going to do? What will you have against a country that does not even feel the need to recognize you, even as an EU member?

You're screwed!

We would be screwed too, don't get me wrong. I do not want to be another Turkish island.

So clever clogs you think Turkey will tell the EU to fuck off do you ?
take a look at this and see who is Turkeys LARGEST trading partner then tell me that Turkey does not need the EU !!!You do really talk rubbish Shah
Main Turkish exports markets in 2007 were the EU (56.4%), Russia (4.4%), USA (3.9%), Romania (3.4%), United Arab Emirates (3.0%) and Iraq (2.6%). Textiles and transport equipment dominate EU imports from Turkey, both accounting for about 24% of the total. Other important imports are machinery (17.7%), and agricultural products (7.1%).

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-oppo ... es/turkey/

And why do you think that is?

Turkey is already in the ETU, we are talking about joining the EU.

No one will stop trading with her if she decides to tell the EU to fuck off, some of the biggest profit making companies have been sold to the Europeans and Americans, what are they just going to give up on Turkey?

Or maybe they will give up on the energy pipelines or the Bosphorous?

Also tell me how Russia, USA, United Arab Emirates and Iraq fall into the EU?

You should go buy yourself some quality-for-value brains from LIDL, you obviously need it.