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[shahmaran]

How does direct trade meant to help Turkey?

They can already trade with who ever they want.

You have got NOTHING on Turkey but the ever decreasing expectation of her becoming an EU member, and when that is gone you will have as much as you did before joining the EU.

Remember those days?

Not sure what you're smoking but you do know that it is Turkey which is bemoaning the failure of the "direct trade" issue? It is Turkey which has linked direct trade to its own accession process. It is Turkey which is trying to use the direct trade issue as a means of upgrading the status of the occupation regime. What the f**k do you think I meant? I know it's late but try and concentrate.

And the failure of Turkish accession

And I am saying what will you do when she gives up on the EU?

She will be trading and the Cypriots won't be, big deal.

How is that a victory over Turkey?

Have you moved and inch? Have you removed 1 soldier? NO.

[shahmaran]

Erdogan's worried RoC will now be too rigid for the Turks to deal with!

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news- ... hopes.html

But he's a "sly fox" we are told. Surely he can get out of the mess he's gotten into? After all, how can a tiny island like Cyprus block a nation like Turkey from fulfilling its European destiny?

Oh I forgot: it was all part of the Turkish masterplan to NOT join the EU.

That "sly fox" has gone back to debating headscarf wearing, again. But, he doesn't fool us! It's all a cunning plan.

Oracle you are reading a paper that literally belongs to him, you are deliberately misinforming yourself.

Really? He owns the Financial Times?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4adab534-dc6a ... abdc0.html

What a "sly fox"!

I meant the paper you quoted from, must be getting late there....

[Oracle]

Here's the FT article, in case you're not registered ...

Headscarf issue resurfaces in Turkey

By Delphine Strauss in Ankara

Published: October 20 2010 22:38 | Last updated: October 20 2010 22:38
Renewed efforts to end a ban on students and civil servants wearing the Muslim headscarf have triggered fresh confrontation between Turkey’s government and its political opponents over the place of Islam in public life.

The ruling Justice and Development (AK) party, led by observant Muslims, met opposition parties on Wednesday seeking support for a commission to solve an issue that has divided Turkish society and paralysed political life in the past.


Immediately after the meeting, Turkey’s Supreme Court of Appeals issued a statement warning that allowing the headscarf in state universities would “violate the principle of secularism”, citing previous constitutional court rulings and noting its authority to investigate political parties for such offences.

A statement from the AK party branded the judges’ intervention a “direct blow to the democratic, parliamentary regime”. The swift riposte suggests the government is ready to test its strength against the judiciary after winning a referendum on reforms that change the composition of the constitutional court and the rules on party closure.

The AK party failed in a previous attempt to end the ban in universities, narrowly escaping being closed down by the constitutional court for “anti-secular activities”.

In the intervening two years, the issue had lost much of its political sting. Hardline secularists maintain that the headscarf – especially when worn in the wraparound “turban” style seen as an expression of political Islam – has no part in public life in the secular state founded by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

But, in practice, many university lecturers already turn a blind eye to covered students. The Higher Education Board has now advised universities not to expel those breaking the dress code. Even Kemal Kilicdaroglu, leader of the People’s Republican Party (CHP) founded by Ataturk, appears likely to support an end to the ban for students.

But secularists fear that Reçep Tayyip Erdogan, prime minister, whose wife and daughter wear the turban, also wants to ease restrictions in other areas of public life.

Newspapers carried stories on Wednesday of a 13-year-old schoolgirl allowed to attend primary school in a headscarf, while other front pages showed photos of Hayrunnisa Gul, the president’s wife, appearing in her turban for the first time in an official ceremony, as she received a state visit from the German president.

Mr Erdogan, who has pledged to rewrite of Turkey’s constitution if he wins a third term in office in next June’s elections, has long promised his conservative supporters more freedom of religious expression – while maintaining that his party poses no threat to the lifestyles of non-religious Turks.

Analysts say a closure case in the constitutional court is no longer a real threat to the AK party’s survival but warned of escalating tensions. Atilla Yesilada, at the consultancy Global Source, commented that any attempt to allow headscarves in schools or public service “could drastically alter voters’ perception of competing political parties ... and the country’s image abroad”.

[Hermes]

You speak as if you are single handedly blocking her.

You are nothing without the EU backup.

Er ... that was the whole bloody point of joining the EU in the first place. To have leverage over Turkey's accession process. It bloody works too.

The real question is what would your Plan B, be?

I thought it was Turkey which had a plan B? Oh wait, it was "direct trade" followed by "recognition". Time for plan C I think...

[Oracle]

You forgot "Direct Flights" ...

[Me Ed]

Little turks, how does it feel to be lower in the food chain than the RoC?

Well the RoC is pretty low her self, so does not make much difference

I mean you dont even have control over the other half of your tiny island, how does that feel?

Neither do the TCs you little Turk bitch.

Well we never tried!

But it must be clear by now that when we do actually want a place, we do take it, unlike your sorry attempt

Doesn't detract from the fact that internationally Turkey will always be lower in the food chain than the RoC little Turk.

You what?

What planet are you on?

At the moment you are just a "fly in her soup".

But the moment Turkey gives up on the EU membership, you will be nothing but a fly on her windscreen.

You can't even talk to her

What you little turks don't realise is that the moment Turkey gives up on the EU we Europeans will not give a shit. Your rubbish is something we can easily do without.

Well neither will we.

But then it is not us who wants to rule the island either

So good luck with that!

Glad to hear it, Turkish values have no place in Europe, look east because we Europeans don't give a shit and secondly you little turks are more suited to that mindset.

Well luckily I am very well aware what the values of Europe are, not much different from any decent human beings, regardless of where they are from.

I am also aware of the fact that is is the home of many cock suckers such as yourself who have no idea about the values they claim to be part of, but just get a free ride and talk a lot of shit.

Well when you consider values and cock suckers, look no further than your own presidents 15 year old wife you little turk.

Who are you talking about cock sucker?

I think you know who I am talking about little turk.

The underage cock sucking wife of your incestous paedofile Abullah Gul.

Further proof that Turkish values have no place in Europe.

Give up the EU dream, its not for you.

[shahmaran]

You speak as if you are single handedly blocking her.

You are nothing without the EU backup.

Er ... that was the whole bloody point of joining the EU in the first place. To have leverage over Turkey's accession process. It bloody works too.

The real question is what would your Plan B, be?

I thought it was Turkey which had a plan B? Oh wait, it was "direct trade" followed by "recognition". Time for plan C I think...

Turkey has direct trade and direct flights buddy.

We are talking about Cyprus here, what are you going to do to remove Turkey?

Clearly trade and flights have not moved her an inch over the last 35 years.

So whats next?

[shahmaran]

I think you know who I am talking about little turk.

The underage cock sucking wife of your incestous paedofile Abullah Gul.

Further proof that Turkish values have no place in Europe.

Give up the EU dream, its not for you.

She was born in 1965, jesus christ, how old are you? 160?

He is not my president as I do not live in Turkey nor I am from there.

I know you are too thick to tell the difference.

And if you ask me AKP is the worst thing that has happened to Turkey, never mind EU or that RoC fly on her windscreen

[shahmaran]

Here's the FT article, in case you're not registered ...

Headscarf issue resurfaces in Turkey

By Delphine Strauss in Ankara

Published: October 20 2010 22:38 | Last updated: October 20 2010 22:38
Renewed efforts to end a ban on students and civil servants wearing the Muslim headscarf have triggered fresh confrontation between Turkey’s government and its political opponents over the place of Islam in public life.

The ruling Justice and Development (AK) party, led by observant Muslims, met opposition parties on Wednesday seeking support for a commission to solve an issue that has divided Turkish society and paralysed political life in the past.


Immediately after the meeting, Turkey’s Supreme Court of Appeals issued a statement warning that allowing the headscarf in state universities would “violate the principle of secularism”, citing previous constitutional court rulings and noting its authority to investigate political parties for such offences.

A statement from the AK party branded the judges’ intervention a “direct blow to the democratic, parliamentary regime”. The swift riposte suggests the government is ready to test its strength against the judiciary after winning a referendum on reforms that change the composition of the constitutional court and the rules on party closure.

The AK party failed in a previous attempt to end the ban in universities, narrowly escaping being closed down by the constitutional court for “anti-secular activities”.

In the intervening two years, the issue had lost much of its political sting. Hardline secularists maintain that the headscarf – especially when worn in the wraparound “turban” style seen as an expression of political Islam – has no part in public life in the secular state founded by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

But, in practice, many university lecturers already turn a blind eye to covered students. The Higher Education Board has now advised universities not to expel those breaking the dress code. Even Kemal Kilicdaroglu, leader of the People’s Republican Party (CHP) founded by Ataturk, appears likely to support an end to the ban for students.

But secularists fear that Reçep Tayyip Erdogan, prime minister, whose wife and daughter wear the turban, also wants to ease restrictions in other areas of public life.

Newspapers carried stories on Wednesday of a 13-year-old schoolgirl allowed to attend primary school in a headscarf, while other front pages showed photos of Hayrunnisa Gul, the president’s wife, appearing in her turban for the first time in an official ceremony, as she received a state visit from the German president.

Mr Erdogan, who has pledged to rewrite of Turkey’s constitution if he wins a third term in office in next June’s elections, has long promised his conservative supporters more freedom of religious expression – while maintaining that his party poses no threat to the lifestyles of non-religious Turks.

Analysts say a closure case in the constitutional court is no longer a real threat to the AK party’s survival but warned of escalating tensions. Atilla Yesilada, at the consultancy Global Source, commented that any attempt to allow headscarves in schools or public service “could drastically alter voters’ perception of competing political parties ... and the country’s image abroad”.

This is nothing new Oracle, they have been arguing for ever, won't change much.

[Oracle]

Here's the FT article, in case you're not registered ...

Headscarf issue resurfaces in Turkey

By Delphine Strauss in Ankara

Published: October 20 2010 22:38 | Last updated: October 20 2010 22:38
Renewed efforts to end a ban on students and civil servants wearing the Muslim headscarf have triggered fresh confrontation between Turkey’s government and its political opponents over the place of Islam in public life.

The ruling Justice and Development (AK) party, led by observant Muslims, met opposition parties on Wednesday seeking support for a commission to solve an issue that has divided Turkish society and paralysed political life in the past.


Immediately after the meeting, Turkey’s Supreme Court of Appeals issued a statement warning that allowing the headscarf in state universities would “violate the principle of secularism”, citing previous constitutional court rulings and noting its authority to investigate political parties for such offences.

A statement from the AK party branded the judges’ intervention a “direct blow to the democratic, parliamentary regime”. The swift riposte suggests the government is ready to test its strength against the judiciary after winning a referendum on reforms that change the composition of the constitutional court and the rules on party closure.

The AK party failed in a previous attempt to end the ban in universities, narrowly escaping being closed down by the constitutional court for “anti-secular activities”.

In the intervening two years, the issue had lost much of its political sting. Hardline secularists maintain that the headscarf – especially when worn in the wraparound “turban” style seen as an expression of political Islam – has no part in public life in the secular state founded by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

But, in practice, many university lecturers already turn a blind eye to covered students. The Higher Education Board has now advised universities not to expel those breaking the dress code. Even Kemal Kilicdaroglu, leader of the People’s Republican Party (CHP) founded by Ataturk, appears likely to support an end to the ban for students.

But secularists fear that Reçep Tayyip Erdogan, prime minister, whose wife and daughter wear the turban, also wants to ease restrictions in other areas of public life.

Newspapers carried stories on Wednesday of a 13-year-old schoolgirl allowed to attend primary school in a headscarf, while other front pages showed photos of Hayrunnisa Gul, the president’s wife, appearing in her turban for the first time in an official ceremony, as she received a state visit from the German president.

Mr Erdogan, who has pledged to rewrite of Turkey’s constitution if he wins a third term in office in next June’s elections, has long promised his conservative supporters more freedom of religious expression – while maintaining that his party poses no threat to the lifestyles of non-religious Turks.

Analysts say a closure case in the constitutional court is no longer a real threat to the AK party’s survival but warned of escalating tensions. Atilla Yesilada, at the consultancy Global Source, commented that any attempt to allow headscarves in schools or public service “could drastically alter voters’ perception of competing political parties ... and the country’s image abroad”.

This is nothing new Oracle, they have been arguing for ever, won't change much.

Erm, that was rather my point. That's all Turkey is fit for now. Endless debates about the delights of, and fabric designs for, headscarves!