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[shahmaran]

Are you kidding me ?

[georgios100]

It is obvious the talks want a boost to conclude.

The GC side has waited 36 some years... a closure now would be preferred.

The TC side waited as long and, if you ask me, they had enough of political maneuvering... they want closure too!

The ball is at Erdogan's court. He needs to make his move. What is required:

1. Return Varoshia unconditionally.
2. Return Morphou unconditionally.
3. Immediate 50% reduction of occupying Turkish troops with no strings attached.
4. Recognize ROC.
5. Provide assurances for war reparations to both sides.

These conditions are doable without losing face. If all 5 are announced, the talks can move forward faster due to the fact that Turkey demonstrates the will to resolve, no more "pazaria".

Turkey knows (EU accession terms), these steps are to be implemented sooner or later... so why not sooner?

Erdoğan made his move while you have been sleeping...

In an attempt to maintain its hegemony over the Muslim world the US is arming its most loyal vassals not only against Iran but also against Turkey.

Even though the mainstream media has been marketing the recent arms sales to Saudi Arabia by the US within the context of the cold war between the US and Iran, other factors of the $60 billion dollar contract announced last month are equally important. The US based neo-con think-tank, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), states: “the United States needs all the friends it can find in the Gulf. It faces serious uncertainties in reshaping its security posture in the region as its forces depart from Iraq.


These include Iraq’s uncertain future political stance and government, the inability to predict Iranian actions and alignments, the uncertain outcome of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and uncertainties surrounding the success or failure of the conflicts in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” Viewed against this backdrop, for US policy makers the Saudi arms deal is part of a much broader regional policy that extends beyond the Gulf region.

The emergence of Turkey as an independent regional power will affect US hegemony in the region by eclipsing the last vestiges of “Arab power” that the US spent decades cultivating. The US and its authoritarian Arab clients realize that Turkey’s independent minded policies will bring it into conflict with the US-designed order in the Muslim world. Taking into considerations the historical animosity of the Saudi ruling family towards Istanbul of the Ottoman days and the strong national pride of the Turkish people, independent Turkey will at some point come head to head with the US installed puppets in Arabia.

Since Turkey’s military will no longer be available to serve US hegemonic interests in the region, Washington is trying to compensate for this weakness by arming its loyal vassals. This will bring Iran and Turkey even closer in their military partnership which will speed up US removal from the Middle East. It seems the Arab regimes are becoming a huge liability for US imperialism, but the US is too enmeshed with it to simply abandon its decades-long scheme called the “Arab power bloc.” The other factor, of course, is to protect zionist Israel, hence the frantic efforts to create a zionist-Arab front against Islamic Iran and in the not too distance future against Turkey as well.

http://freshinitiative.net/hot-topic/78 ... r-together

Interesting article, thanks Insan.

Unfortunately, this nice article is totally irrelevant with the Cyprus Problem. If you know of any "moves" Erdogan made to resolve Cyprob, please post them. Thanks anyway.

[Hermes]

and once clearlyy stated we can adopt EU values without being in the EU

Like fuck you will.

[Hermes]

Are you kidding me ?

Do you have any idea how a country joins the EU? Let me help you...

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/enlarge ... dex_en.htm

Now read it carefully. You can print it out and pin it to your bedroom wall. Just to remind you what is involved and how a country ultimately qualifies for EU membership. It might also help you focus on just why Turkey is getting nowhere with its accession.

[georgios100]

Its has now been 6 years since you blackmailed and tricked your way into the EU, what have they done for you?

What has the EU ever done for us?

The provision of EU citizenship to all the citizens of Cyprus (including Turkish Cypriots by the way).

Access of Cypriot goods and services to a huge single market.

Attraction of investment from the EU.

Participation of Cyprus in the Union's internal market.

Increased financial assistance from the EU to Cyprus.

Laws and standards upgraded and modernized.

Social programs brought into line with the high standards of the Social Charter.

An improvement in the environment, safety standards and quality improvement.

A significant improvement in the quality of life especially in the less developed parts of the island which have been eligible for massive EU assistance.

Ability to influence EU policy and to cooperate with our EU partners in the implementation of policy.

Improved security.

Access to the EU courts and judicial system.

Last but not least, freezing Turkey's accession process.

So you see it's not just to fuck off the Turks and squeeze their balls. Although that is a huge satisfaction in itself. There are other benefits too. It might be something your short-sighted leadership might want to think about.

Nice posting there Hermes!

All the EU beneficial you listed are unreachable to the Turks, that's why they reject them.

Like an old Greek saying:

Osa den ftanni i alepou, ta ftynni.

[shahmaran]

Are you kidding me ?

Do you have any idea how a country joins the EU? Let me help you...

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/enlarge ... dex_en.htm

Now read it carefully. You can print it out and pin it to your bedroom wall. Just to remind you what is involved and how a country ultimately qualifies for EU membership. It might also help you focus on just why Turkey is getting nowhere with its accession.

Oh dear, I guess all these so called "countries" never really existed until this holy "EU" ever exited, dam!

Hey Hermet, do you really believe that Turkey truly gives a toss?!

[Hermes]

Are you kidding me ?

Do you have any idea how a country joins the EU? Let me help you...

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/enlarge ... dex_en.htm

Now read it carefully. You can print it out and pin it to your bedroom wall. Just to remind you what is involved and how a country ultimately qualifies for EU membership. It might also help you focus on just why Turkey is getting nowhere with its accession.

Oh dear, I guess all these so called "countries" never really existed until this holy "EU" ever exited, dam!

Hey Hermet, do you really believe that Turkey truly gives a toss?!

How the fuck do I know? Why don't you ask your EU negotiator Egemen Bağış? Maybe he could tell you. ':D'

[repulsewarrior]

well said Hermes, thank-You.

[Viewpoint]

Its has now been 6 years since you blackmailed and tricked your way into the EU, what have they done for you?

What has the EU ever done for us?

The provision of EU citizenship to all the citizens of Cyprus (including Turkish Cypriots by the way).

Access of Cypriot goods and services to a huge single market.

Attraction of investment from the EU.

Participation of Cyprus in the Union's internal market.

Increased financial assistance from the EU to Cyprus.

Laws and standards upgraded and modernized.

Social programs brought into line with the high standards of the Social Charter.

An improvement in the environment, safety standards and quality improvement.

A significant improvement in the quality of life especially in the less developed parts of the island which have been eligible for massive EU assistance.

Ability to influence EU policy and to cooperate with our EU partners in the implementation of policy.

Improved security.

Access to the EU courts and judicial system.

Last but not least, freezing Turkey's accession process.

So you see it's not just to fuck off the Turks and squeeze their balls. Although that is a huge satisfaction in itself. There are other benefits too. It might be something your short-sighted leadership might want to think about.

Man you had 85% of the above shit before you joined now you have the added burden of reporting to not only your Greek masters but also your new EU masters who will continue to use you at every opportunity against Turkey but rest assured when the shit hits the fan you can be dumped like a lead ballon the 80million market and work force of a developed Turkey will be more attractive than a spoilt 800k GC divided and problematic "RoC".

Your sole aim in blackmailing your way into the EU was to gain leverage against Turkey, but you miscalculated yet again as you did in 1974 Turkey is in no rush to join the EU all she needs and has already gained is the EU perspective that she is on route to membership, Turkey has the 17th largest economy and has been least effected by world recession this shows how in 10 years time she will be a force to be reckoned with add to this the fact that she is a major player in energy transportation to Europe the EU will move closer to Turkey viewpoint as she play you mugs for the intrangient spoilt liars you have proven to be.

[Viewpoint]

and once clearlyy stated we can adopt EU values without being in the EU

Like fuck you will.

Turkey is changing far more rapidly that you could ever see, as you are blind and do not have the desire nor the capacity to realize the increasing importance of her role on the world stage, but all this will work against you in the long run as it is a proven fact that GCs are terrible at calculating the realities before them, under estimating your opponents capacity to take steps that will bring a heavy blow and price as was the case in 1974. If you continue to play with fire, once burnt you cannot blame everyone else but yourselves.