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[Viewpoint]

georgios100
Sorry mate, the Ball is certainly Not and Never will be in Erdogan's Court. You obviously forget that Erdogan used to be the Mayor of Istanbul a while ago - he know the Bull the Greeks come out with and the Historical Dream world they claim. Return of what? Did I hear you say Varosha? You guys are funny.

Yeah, I know. Erdogan came from a poor family... selling stuff on the street to survive. Nothing wrong about that.

Erdogan also knows that Varoshia must be given back - eventually, otherwise there can be No EU entry - no funny stuff - as you mentioned above.

Am I funny? Maybe. But, go tell the Europeans that you captured Varoshia by war, claim that the city is yours now and demand entry into the EU. Do you actually think the Europeans are that stupid? Really?

History tells us, Turkey never surrendered captured land unless beaten and forced out. This time, Turkey will gladly give back the occupied areas without losing them by warfare... times change don't they?

You sound very naive the EU accepted a divided and troubled island into the EU, they cannot be that clever....they have feeling the pains of the error they made so stranger things can happen which you will be forced to accept.

[ZoC]

You sound very naive the EU accepted a divided and troubled island into the EU, they cannot be that clever....they have feeling the pains of the error they made so stranger things can happen which you will be forced to accept.

f off, with your force. no one's gonna force cypriots do anything they don't want to, dig?

[shahmaran]

You sound very naive the EU accepted a divided and troubled island into the EU, they cannot be that clever....they have feeling the pains of the error they made so stranger things can happen which you will be forced to accept.

f off, with you force. no one's gonna force cypriots do anything they don't want to, dig?

You got that one right buddy!

[insan]

It is obvious the talks want a boost to conclude.

The GC side has waited 36 some years... a closure now would be preferred.

The TC side waited as long and, if you ask me, they had enough of political maneuvering... they want closure too!

The ball is at Erdogan's court. He needs to make his move. What is required:

1. Return Varoshia unconditionally.
2. Return Morphou unconditionally.
3. Immediate 50% reduction of occupying Turkish troops with no strings attached.
4. Recognize ROC.
5. Provide assurances for war reparations to both sides.

These conditions are doable without losing face. If all 5 are announced, the talks can move forward faster due to the fact that Turkey demonstrates the will to resolve, no more "pazaria".

Turkey knows (EU accession terms), these steps are to be implemented sooner or later... so why not sooner?

Erdoğan made his move while you have been sleeping...

In an attempt to maintain its hegemony over the Muslim world the US is arming its most loyal vassals not only against Iran but also against Turkey.

Even though the mainstream media has been marketing the recent arms sales to Saudi Arabia by the US within the context of the cold war between the US and Iran, other factors of the $60 billion dollar contract announced last month are equally important. The US based neo-con think-tank, the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), states: “the United States needs all the friends it can find in the Gulf. It faces serious uncertainties in reshaping its security posture in the region as its forces depart from Iraq.


These include Iraq’s uncertain future political stance and government, the inability to predict Iranian actions and alignments, the uncertain outcome of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and uncertainties surrounding the success or failure of the conflicts in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” Viewed against this backdrop, for US policy makers the Saudi arms deal is part of a much broader regional policy that extends beyond the Gulf region.

The emergence of Turkey as an independent regional power will affect US hegemony in the region by eclipsing the last vestiges of “Arab power” that the US spent decades cultivating. The US and its authoritarian Arab clients realize that Turkey’s independent minded policies will bring it into conflict with the US-designed order in the Muslim world. Taking into considerations the historical animosity of the Saudi ruling family towards Istanbul of the Ottoman days and the strong national pride of the Turkish people, independent Turkey will at some point come head to head with the US installed puppets in Arabia.

Since Turkey’s military will no longer be available to serve US hegemonic interests in the region, Washington is trying to compensate for this weakness by arming its loyal vassals. This will bring Iran and Turkey even closer in their military partnership which will speed up US removal from the Middle East. It seems the Arab regimes are becoming a huge liability for US imperialism, but the US is too enmeshed with it to simply abandon its decades-long scheme called the “Arab power bloc.” The other factor, of course, is to protect zionist Israel, hence the frantic efforts to create a zionist-Arab front against Islamic Iran and in the not too distance future against Turkey as well.

http://freshinitiative.net/hot-topic/78 ... r-together

[Sotos]

... and in the not too distance future against Turkey as well.

Turks will be fucked in the "not too distance future" then. All we have to do is wait

[ZoC]

You sound very naive the EU accepted a divided and troubled island into the EU, they cannot be that clever....they have feeling the pains of the error they made so stranger things can happen which you will be forced to accept.

f off, with you force. no one's gonna force cypriots do anything they don't want to, dig?

You got that one right buddy!

don't you forget it, schizo... and same goes for your imaginery alter-ego.

[Hermes]

The EU accepted a divided and troubled island into the EU, they cannot be that clever....

Maybe not. But the Greek Cypriots were damn clever in getting into the EU and linking Turkey's EU accession process to a withdrawal from Cyprus. Very smart move that. You've got to give the Greek Cypriots credit for that.

If it wasn't for the "Cyprus problem" Turkey would be on the way to being the largest country in the EU with control of the EU Parliament and shaping Europe's destiny. Instead it's making alliances with anti-Western and Islamist nutters like Sudan, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas. Good luck with that!

I guess that's what comes of having a small-time Islamist hick without a fucking clue as Prime Minister.

[shahmaran]

... and in the not too distance future against Turkey as well.

Turks will be fucked in the "not too distance future" then. All we have to do is wait

Wishful thinking never hurt anyone buddy!

Turks have not been "fucked" in quite sometime, they have, lets say, learned to endure a tougher existence than you pansies have ever had the misfortune to encounter

[Viewpoint]

The EU accepted a divided and troubled island into the EU, they cannot be that clever....

Maybe not. But the Greek Cypriots were damn clever in getting into the EU and linking Turkey's EU accession process to a withdrawal from Cyprus. Very smart move that. You've got to give the Greek Cypriots credit for that.

If it wasn't for the "Cyprus problem" Turkey would be on the way to being the largest country in the EU with control of the EU Parliament and shaping Europe's destiny. Instead it's making alliances with anti-Western and Islamist nutters like Sudan, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas. Good luck with that!

I guess that's what comes of having a small-time Islamist hick without a fucking clue as Prime Minister.

Your ideology about the EU soving you problems would be great if Turkey wanted to play ball, from where we sit we can clearly see that she is merely playing with the EU to give the world the impression she wants to continue on her EU course, never under estimate Erdoğan he is a sly dog and once clearlyy stated we can adopt EU values without being in the EU, it will not be th end of the world if we do not enter the EU there are many properous countries who are not EU members.

Its has now been 6 years since you blackmailed and tricked your way into the EU, what have they done for you? absolutely nothing you were sent to the UN to find a solution and you are no closer than you were 36 years ago, if the EU UN USA thought you guys were not to largely blame for the problems they would have forced a solution 6 years ago.

[Hermes]

Its has now been 6 years since you blackmailed and tricked your way into the EU, what have they done for you?

What has the EU ever done for us?

The provision of EU citizenship to all the citizens of Cyprus (including Turkish Cypriots by the way).

Access of Cypriot goods and services to a huge single market.

Attraction of investment from the EU.

Participation of Cyprus in the Union's internal market.

Increased financial assistance from the EU to Cyprus.

Laws and standards upgraded and modernized.

Social programs brought into line with the high standards of the Social Charter.

An improvement in the environment, safety standards and quality improvement.

A significant improvement in the quality of life especially in the less developed parts of the island which have been eligible for massive EU assistance.

Ability to influence EU policy and to cooperate with our EU partners in the implementation of policy.

Improved security.

Access to the EU courts and judicial system.

Last but not least, freezing Turkey's accession process.

So you see it's not just to fuck off the Turks and squeeze their balls. Although that is a huge satisfaction in itself. There are other benefits too. It might be something your short-sighted leadership might want to think about.