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[Oracle]

...and what is wrong with confidence building when both parties are willing to have an observer for their assurance?

somebody suggested opening famagusta and its harbour as Cypriots within a eu or un criteria...
...is this not possible for the free trade of people as turkish cypriots or greek cypriots?

what is wrong with Cyprus becoming an even bigger International Hub, with many many airports, and very effecient modern harbours, as well as the tele-communications which centre around this tiny island. indeed, Turkey (are there as many casinos there?) can make the north a little playground for the rocking wealthy; with direct trade. but in direct competition nothing is "theirs", what improvements are gained from Productivity benefits Cypriots as a Whole.

The real crux of the matter is GCs do not want to share they want to dominate.

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No one needs to share and no one should be dominated. For Turk-TCs, it's all about "ownership" and separation.

The problem is that TCs do not understand individualism, free will and tolerance to others.

[SKI-preo]

What happens at the 7 star Scrotum Casino stays at the 7 star Scrotum Casino.

[MrH]

If you look carefully at the poll result, you may notice that the TC's vote amounts to 11%, while the GCs is on 88%.

That is simply why a Unification deal based on a no states or borders or a Confederal autonomous region for both serperate peoples will never come about as any democratic vote would always be won by the Greek Cypriots. Interesting!

[ZoC]

If you look carefully at the poll result, you may notice that the TC's vote amounts to 11%, while the GCs is on 88%.

That is simply why a Unification deal based on a no states or borders or a Confederal autonomous region for both serperate peoples will never come about as any democratic vote would always be won by the Greek Cypriots. Interesting!

any democratic vote would be won by the.... wait for it.... majority, dummkopf.

[shahmaran]

...and what is wrong with confidence building when both parties are willing to have an observer for their assurance?

somebody suggested opening famagusta and its harbour as Cypriots within a eu or un criteria...
...is this not possible for the free trade of people as turkish cypriots or greek cypriots?

what is wrong with Cyprus becoming an even bigger International Hub, with many many airports, and very effecient modern harbours, as well as the tele-communications which centre around this tiny island. indeed, Turkey (are there as many casinos there?) can make the north a little playground for the rocking wealthy; with direct trade. but in direct competition nothing is "theirs", what improvements are gained from Productivity benefits Cypriots as a Whole.

The real crux of the matter is GCs do not want to share they want to dominate.

+1

The problem is that TCs do not understand individualism, free will and tolerance to others.

It is funny you say that because I could swear that it is what we think about you!!

[SKI-preo]

If you look carefully at the poll result, you may notice that the TC's vote amounts to 11%, while the GCs is on 88%.

That is simply why a Unification deal based on a no states or borders or a Confederal autonomous region for both serperate peoples will never come about as any democratic vote would always be won by the Greek Cypriots. Interesting!

Democracy...what a hair/harebrain concept. There would be no problem if a system where political parties without a minimum quota of Turkish Cypriot or Greek Cypriots in key portfolio areas were banned. Primitive ethnic politics could be cast aside so work on real issues is done.

[Oracle]

...and what is wrong with confidence building when both parties are willing to have an observer for their assurance?

somebody suggested opening famagusta and its harbour as Cypriots within a eu or un criteria...
...is this not possible for the free trade of people as turkish cypriots or greek cypriots?

what is wrong with Cyprus becoming an even bigger International Hub, with many many airports, and very effecient modern harbours, as well as the tele-communications which centre around this tiny island. indeed, Turkey (are there as many casinos there?) can make the north a little playground for the rocking wealthy; with direct trade. but in direct competition nothing is "theirs", what improvements are gained from Productivity benefits Cypriots as a Whole.

The real crux of the matter is GCs do not want to share they want to dominate.

+1

The problem is that TCs do not understand individualism, free will and tolerance to others.

It is funny you say that because I could swear that it is what we think about you!!

You are free to think what you like, and free to have whatever opinions you like. Only your god will judge you on those. But when you act upon those thoughts and opinions and practice racism and ethnic cleansing and maintain it all with Turkish Militarily-imposed Apartheid; then you will be judged by Man's laws. You are racists, thieves, illegal occupants and colonisers and a "Problem" which the EU will solve by Just, if slow, methods!

[shahmaran]

You are racists, thieves, illegal occupants and colonisers and a "Problem"

Well now that you have said the above then I guess so are you, but the only difference is, you were never really any good at it and we have turned it into an art form over the past thousand years.

Please explain to me how you went from serfdom, to owning %80 of the island again, as I forget?

There is no "slow" method, if there was, that would imply that you would be actually expanding. But as you can see, you have not moved an inch in the last 50 years, but you have helped the disintegration of the real population of the island. One can hardly call that a "success".

[Oracle]

You are racists, thieves, illegal occupants and colonisers and a "Problem"

Well now that you have said the above then I guess so are you, but the only difference is, you were never really any good at it and we have turned it into an art form over the past thousand years.

Please explain to me how you went from serfdom, to owning %80 of the island again, as I forget?

There is no "slow" method, if there was, that would imply that you would be actually expanding. But as you can see, you have not moved an inch in the last 50 years, but you have helped the disintegration of the real population of the island. One can hardly call that a "success".

That ignorant repetition of "serfdom" is tiresome and it's high time you were made aware that whereas the rest of Europe abandoned serfdom at the same time, we unfortunates in Cyprus had it replaced with slavery to the Ottomans. You did not own Cyprus in order to "give" it to the natives. It was always the land of the Cypriots. You merely occupied Cyprus until the Brits took it off you. And then, we won our partial freedom from them!

We are still working on regaining freedom for our whole island, with you or without you, but if you intend to stay, you should do so under the auspices of western civilised behaviour and NOT a continuation of the imperialist slavery and racist segregation which you STILL impose on us today -- no matter how wonderful you erroneously perceive yourselves to be.

"Slowness" is relative, so you can derive some benefits from wherever you can seek comfort for it must be pretty awful in your illegally occupied corner as the full weight of the EU reinforces the power of the RoC over the WHOLE, 100%, of the island.

[shahmaran]

You are racists, thieves, illegal occupants and colonisers and a "Problem"

Well now that you have said the above then I guess so are you, but the only difference is, you were never really any good at it and we have turned it into an art form over the past thousand years.

Please explain to me how you went from serfdom, to owning %80 of the island again, as I forget?

There is no "slow" method, if there was, that would imply that you would be actually expanding. But as you can see, you have not moved an inch in the last 50 years, but you have helped the disintegration of the real population of the island. One can hardly call that a "success".

That ignorant repetition of "serfdom" is tiresome and it's high time you were made aware that whereas the rest of Europe abandoned serfdom at the same time, we unfortunates in Cyprus had it replaced with slavery to the Ottomans. You did not own Cyprus in order to "give" it to the natives. It was always the land of the Cypriots. You merely occupied Cyprus until the Brits took it off you. And then, we won our partial freedom from them!

We are still working on regaining freedom for our whole island, with you or without you, but if you intend to stay, you should do so under the auspices of western civilised behaviour and NOT a continuation of the imperialist slavery and racist segregation which you STILL impose on us today -- no matter how wonderful you erroneously perceive yourselves to be.

"Slowness" is relative, so you can derive some benefits from wherever you can seek comfort for it must be pretty awful in your illegally occupied corner as the full weight of the EU reinforces the power of the RoC over the WHOLE, 100%, of the island.

1- You were not slaves, and you definitely were not "natives".

2- I am sorry that you were incapable of ever gaining your independence prior to the arrival of the Ottomans, but no one is just granted independence for free, you pay taxes. There is no record of anyone being "slaves" under the rule of the Ottomans. Serfdom however, is just a polite word for slaves, which was what you were until the Ottomans came. Meaning you never owned any property, when I talk about ownership I actually talk about owning stuff, resources, lands. When you talk about it, it is some sort of an emotional fairyland where you own the birds and the bees because you live there, which could be true, if you were native, but you are not

3- The Brits never took it off "us", the Ottomans rented it out to pay its debts as they were coming to an end, probably due to the lack of taxes that some ungrateful bastards refused to pay

4- You did not just win your partial freedom, you went on an ethnic cleansing rampage!

5- Stop talking as if Western Civilization is something to look up on, we have all watched in shock and horror, what the Western "civilization" has been doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, Burma, Haiti, India, Africa, even Turkey not that long ago and many more that can't be listed here. Glad to see you accept where your violent tendencies come from though, you being all "European" and all.

6- What the EU enforces, has no practical meaning to us. But you can always look at the pieces of paper which says you "own" everything for some comfort and feel good about it, maybe play some soft music in the background and dream about how it would be when it actually came to reality, which is probably never but oh well, one can always dream