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[vaughanwilliams]

Direct Trade Ruled Illegal

But that’s only because it’s been replaced with the Direct Cucumber…

So, in 2004 when the EU said the TCs wouldn't be left out after voting yes to the AP, were they:

a. Lying?
or
b. Promising something they could never deliver?

If a, can they ever be trusted by TCs again?
If b, ditto?

Its not that the EU wanted to lie or promise something they couldn't deliver, it basically comes down to the fact that this small community made up of 60 odd thousand tc's simply doesn't really matter that much.

It matters to the TCs.
Let's have cards on the table so that the TCs can make an informed choice rather than continue to be deceived.

[boomerang]

scummy the tcs would do well in knowing eu rules...not just enjoy the benefits of what suits them showing total ignorance...they like to get passports and call themselves european...act like one...

btw, they enjoy all the eu benefits without the cost...or the pain...another free service by the roc...

[vaughanwilliams]

Direct Trade Ruled Illegal

But that’s only because it’s been replaced with the Direct Cucumber…

So, in 2004 when the EU said the TCs wouldn't be left out after voting yes to the AP, were they:

a. Lying?
or
b. Promising something they could never deliver?

What do you mean "left out"? The Green Line regulation was adopted to strengthen reunification, and the financial aid regulation of 2006 to the value of €259 million was intended to promote the structural development of the occupied areas. The Council clearly stated however that: “The granting of such assistance shall not imply recognition of any public authority in the areas other than the Government of the Republic of Cyprus”.

If you thought you were promised "direct trade" then you misunderstood what was possible. According to UN Security Council resolution 541(1983) the declaration of the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” is legally invalid, and in resolution 550 (1984) the Security Council calls on all states “not to facilitate or in any way assist the aforesaid secessioníst entity”. As Turkey’s aim is to create a Taiwan situation in northern Cyprus, a direct trade regulation can only be considered a helping hand.

It wasn't the TCs that misunderstood, it was the EU that implied DTA was possible. In which case, they either lied, knowing it wasn't possible, or they promised something they didn't know they couldn't deliver.

[Gregory]

Direct Trade Ruled Illegal

But that’s only because it’s been replaced with the Direct Cucumber…

So, in 2004 when the EU said the TCs wouldn't be left out after voting yes to the AP, were they:

a. Lying?
or
b. Promising something they could never deliver?

If a, can they ever be trusted by TCs again?
If b, ditto?

Its not that the EU wanted to lie or promise something they couldn't deliver, it basically comes down to the fact that this small community made up of 60 odd thousand tc's simply doesn't really matter that much.

It matters to the TCs.
Let's have cards on the table so that the TCs can make an informed choice rather than continue to be deceived.

Cards have been on the table for some time now, some people just don't want to see them. This is a struggle between the ROC and Turkey, with Turkey offering back land it took and the ROC offering up power sharing.
The situations come to a point where nothing the Turkish side has offered up thus far has been worth giving up any power sharing on this island.

As far as all this direct flights, direct trade and any other nonsense Turkey mentions every now and then to keep the TC morale going then you need to address your questions to Turkey. Why does Turkey demand direct flights to Tymbou when it knows the Chicago convention stands in its way. Why does Turkey go through this whole song and dance for direct trade when it knows full well that the EU would have to re-write its own regulation to allow this to go through.

Last years deal was we're going to block these chapters but we'll "mention" direct trade in the announcement. Why? What good does it do when everyone knows it can't happen?

Turkey receives a bloody nose with blocked chapters and gets in return a mention from the EU Commission regarding direct trade. Well done, thought Turks were better negotiators than that.

[Hermes]

It wasn't the TCs that misunderstood, it was the EU that implied DTA was possible. In which case, they either lied, knowing it wasn't possible, or they promised something they didn't know they couldn't deliver.

It should have been made clear at the outset that "direct trade" was in violation of international law. Turkish Cypriots have every right to be angry with those European Commissioners who have tried to push "direct trade" as a possibility - most recently in order to pressure Greek Cypriots in the negotiations. Turkey must also take its share of the blame for using the direct trade issue for its own ends. In the process it has prevented T/Cs from trading through the legal ports of the Republic at the expense of T/Cs.

Direct trade was never on the cards and raised T/Cs hopes unnecessarily. Now that it's been clarified I hope T/Cs can move on and look at ways to develop the economy of the north through integration and unity and not through separation. The ROC's recent proposals on using the port of Famagusta under EU supervision are a good place to start.

[B25]

I don't understand why the TCs are upset about this. never mind the cheapskate carpet shaggers who interfer, but if anything, it is the GC side that should be up in arms.

How dare they (EC) try to blackmail us into submission by trying to scare us that DT could be had, when all the while they knew it couldn't.

The TCs don't even come into the equation, they are a nobody an occupation regime and no one gives a flying F what they think.

So now you have NO DIRECT FLIGHTS, NO DIRECT TRADE, NO ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING. Seems the cat has got the tongue of the TCs, roll on end of the year when the EU once and for all tell Turkey to FO, we don't want 3rd world, uneducated Anatolian goat herding peasants in this prestigeous club.

Oh happy days ahead.

I can feel a song coming on.... Tralalala....

[vaughanwilliams]

It wasn't the TCs that misunderstood, it was the EU that implied DTA was possible. In which case, they either lied, knowing it wasn't possible, or they promised something they didn't know they couldn't deliver.

It should have been made clear at the outset that "direct trade" was in violation of international law. Turkish Cypriots have every right to be angry with those European Commissioners who have tried to push "direct trade" as a possibility - most recently in order to pressure Greek Cypriots in the negotiations. Turkey must also take its share of the blame for using the direct trade issue for its own ends. In the process it has prevented T/Cs from trading through the legal ports of the Republic at the expense of T/Cs.

Direct trade was never on the cards and raised T/Cs hopes unnecessarily. Now that it's been clarified I hope T/Cs can move on and look at ways to develop the economy of the north through integration and unity and not through separation. The ROC's recent proposals on using the port of Famagusta under EU supervision are a good place to start.

"Turkish Cypriots have every right to be angry with those European Commissioners"
"under EU supervision"

Eh? The two don't really go together, do they?

So, having shafted the TCs at least once, you want them to trust the EU with Famagusta Port?

[Gregory]

It wasn't the TCs that misunderstood, it was the EU that implied DTA was possible. In which case, they either lied, knowing it wasn't possible, or they promised something they didn't know they couldn't deliver.

It should have been made clear at the outset that "direct trade" was in violation of international law. Turkish Cypriots have every right to be angry with those European Commissioners who have tried to push "direct trade" as a possibility - most recently in order to pressure Greek Cypriots in the negotiations. Turkey must also take its share of the blame for using the direct trade issue for its own ends. In the process it has prevented T/Cs from trading through the legal ports of the Republic at the expense of T/Cs.

Direct trade was never on the cards and raised T/Cs hopes unnecessarily. Now that it's been clarified I hope T/Cs can move on and look at ways to develop the economy of the north through integration and unity and not through separation. The ROC's recent proposals on using the port of Famagusta under EU supervision are a good place to start.

"Turkish Cypriots have every right to be angry with those European Commissioners"
"under EU supervision"

Eh? The two don't really go together, do they?

So, having shafted the TCs at least once, you want them to trust the EU with Famagusta Port?

You don't get it do you?

Who cares whether the tc's trust the EU or not? This little community needs to work on proving to the Government of this island that they can be trusted first. The EU works and deals with governments, Turkey and Cyprus are already trying to find ways to sort your little problem out.

[Get Real!]

Direct Trade Ruled Illegal

But that’s only because it’s been replaced with the Direct Cucumber…

So, in 2004 when the EU said the TCs wouldn't be left out after voting yes to the AP, were they:

a. Lying?
or
b. Promising something they could never deliver?

If a, can they ever be trusted by TCs again?
If b, ditto?

Nothing official was ever agreed by the EU!

One or two naïve EU ministers such as Gunter Verheugen, were sucked into the lies, sobbing, and bribes of “Turkish Cypriot” scoundrels which made the ministers make some dumb statements in the media only to be gotten rid off by the EU not too long after! The “TCs” are full of shit as per usual!

[Get Real!]

Who cares whether the tc's trust the EU or not?

Exactly!

If they had any self respect they’d fuck off back to wherever the hell they came from instead of holding an entire country hostage to Turkish stupidities!