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[humanist]

I am truly perplexed how the EU can even contemplate direct trade with the occupied area. This would mean that the EU would have to disrespect the government of the RoC a sister State and deal with, in any other nation illegal = criminals who from a company only in existence because of the illegal occupation of Cyprus as Recognised by the UN.

The only solution to all this is an EU answer back to Turkey informing them that whilst their are integrity is questioned by the UN they will not support them in membership whilst they are invading the Sovereignty of their sister State.

[shahmaran]

I don't think I am helping anyone in any particular way.

I just live in my own lands as I have been doing for a LONG time and will continue to do so because this is my country.

If you think that is actually "helping" anyone then I have no idea what you are talking about, but if you have a better plan about what I "should" be doing then please share it with me so I know.

What you should be doing is not to support the ethnic cleansing and the forced segregation. Nobody will blame you personally if you do not support such practices, but when you do, then you are actually not much better than those who directly profit from properties stolen from GCs.

How exactly am I supporting this "ethnic cleansing"?

The real ethnic cleansing begun in the 50s where most of the TC's fled the island and it is still going on.

[shahmaran]

1. Kurds have their own territory (they didn't steal it from the Turks). So if they want they can have their own separate state on their own land. You want to have your own state on land that belongs to us by over 80%? Whats next? A Turkish state in Germany?

2. You are obviously really really brainwashed when it comes to the Ottoman rule. The Ottomans massacred 10s of thousands of Cypriots (no other invader did this) and they only allowed to Greek Cypriots some minor administrative duties while at the same time imposing heavy taxes. Whenever we asked for our freedom the Ottomans would murder people by the 100s.

3. For one independent source go to the following website and click on the "Ottoman Rule". It has everything I said about the Ottoman rule in Cyprus. http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html

4. The population of TCs did not change between 1960 and 1974. If your population declined after 1974 under Turkish rule that is really not our fault. So stop trying to blame us for the results of your own crimes and illegalities.

5. You are the ones who always had fascist, discriminative and racist agendas. The Ottomans segregated the population between Muslims with more rights and Christians with less rights. By blackmailing us, Turkey and UK forced the same kind of racism and discrimination into the 1960 constitution. Now you demand even more segregation and racist discriminations. You support all of these racist Turkish policies of the past and you want even more racism and segregation to be legalized and institutionalized.

What I support is equality among all citizens, one person one vote, without any segregation and racist discriminations. You are the ones who reject this because you want to fuck up Cyprus even more, as if 400 years of such racist practices did not harm Cyprus enough already.

1. Kurds do not have their "own territory", just like Cyprus, it was taken by fighting. They fought side by side against the Imperialists with the Turks, no one had any problems back then. This land does not belong to "you". It belongs to all of us and you wanted to connect it to Greece, you have no right over a land you never owned.

2. So what the Cypriots were fighting for the Venetians then? Whatever you got from the Ottomans was a LOT more than you had before which was nothing. Stop bitching!

3.Oh yeah the American Congress, that has gotta be independent!

4.My own family left along with other, what the hell are you on about?! We went over this before and even you accepted that it declined and also pointed out that the GC's were leaving, I guess when the music changes...

5.The Ottomans were an Empire, we are not the Ottomans!! Turks fought against the Ottomans and kicked them out, stop drawing racist parallels between an Empire that died centuries ago and the people that live right now in the 21st century! This is why you are blind, racist and a fool! No one gives a shit about the Ottoman Empire anymore!

What you support is exactly the above, you look at people and do not see individuals, you see "Ottomans", how fucking twisted and idiotic can you get?! And now I want to "fuck up Cyprus even more"?! What are you stupid?! Why the hell would I want to "fuck up" the one place I live in? How far down the racist rabbit hole are you really? You have gone bonkers man, seriously you need help...

[Piratis]

1. Kurds existed in the territory long before any Turks arrived in the area and they were never asked if they wanted their lands to be part of Turkey. The Kurdish nation has been under Ottoman rule just like the Greek, Bulgarian and many other nations. The only difference is that the Kurdish nation has not gained its independence yet.

Yes, Cyprus belongs to all of us (Cypriots) and the majority of Cypriots are Greek Cypriots. So based on what you want some "Turkish State" on land where the majority of the population are Greek Cypriots? Based on your "right" to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing and steal the lands of others?

Beyond that Cypriots have the right to decide democratically about what to do with their own country. Or maybe you know any country where the agreement of every citizen or every ethnic minority is required in order for the country to take a decision? If that was the case then we wouldn't have the right to unite Cyprus with EU. But we did, and we had every right to do so.

2. The Venetians didn't massacre Cypriots by the 10s of thousands, neither they imported 10s of thousands of their settlers on our island, which is what creates the problem on Cyprus today.

3. The Americans are your best friends and those who arm and support Turkey over the last several decades.

4. Please don't put words in my mouth. What I always say is just the facts: People emigrate all the time, especially from poor 3rd world countries as Cyprus was in those times. So yes, many Cypriots (GCs and TCs) emigraded due to these conditions. What you previously wrote however was that "the population of the TC's actually were brought down to the verge of extinction once you got any control", which is nothing but a lie. In fact the population of both GCs and TCs increased by 0.8% between 1960 and 1973:

An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable.

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm

5. What is unfortunate is that you continue to demand the same kind of racist discriminations as those that the Ottomans imposed. The Ottomans separated the population into Christians and Greeks. With the 1960 constitution you imposed a similar discrimination where the population was divided into Greeks and Turks. How many other countries do you know that discriminate their population based on their ethnicity? And today you demand even more racist discrimination and the forceful segregation of Cypriots based on their ethnicity!

You are right, this is the 21st century, so why do you behave as if we are still in the era of the Ottomans?

What I support is equality among all citizens without racist discriminations and segregation that people like you want to continue to impose on Cyprus. Those who are like the Ottomans are not all Turkish Cypriots, but the people who share the kind of middle age mentality as you do. There are Turkish Cypriots who accept democracy and accept that all Cypriots should be equal citizens without discriminations (e.g. Kikapu). It is clear that the racist in here is none else than you.

[shahmaran]

1. Kurds existed in the territory long before any Turks arrived in the area and they were never asked if they wanted their lands to be part of Turkey. The Kurdish nation has been under Ottoman rule just like the Greek, Bulgarian and many other nations. The only difference is that the Kurdish nation has not gained its independence yet.

Yes, Cyprus belongs to all of us (Cypriots) and the majority of Cypriots are Greek Cypriots. So based on what you want some "Turkish State" on land where the majority of the population are Greek Cypriots? Based on your "right" to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing and steal the lands of others?

Beyond that Cypriots have the right to decide democratically about what to do with their own country. Or maybe you know any country where the agreement of every citizen or every ethnic minority is required in order for the country to take a decision? If that was the case then we wouldn't have the right to unite Cyprus with EU. But we did, and we had every right to do so.

2. The Venetians didn't massacre Cypriots by the 10s of thousands, neither they imported 10s of thousands of their settlers on our island, which is what creates the problem on Cyprus today.

3. The Americans are your best friends and those who arm and support Turkey over the last several decades.

4. Please don't put words in my mouth. What I always say is just the facts: People emigrate all the time, especially from poor 3rd world countries as Cyprus was in those times. So yes, many Cypriots (GCs and TCs) emigraded due to these conditions. What you previously wrote however was that "the population of the TC's actually were brought down to the verge of extinction once you got any control", which is nothing but a lie. In fact the population of both GCs and TCs increased by 0.8% between 1960 and 1973:

An average rate of annual growth for both communities between 1960 and 1973 was similar and amounted to 0,8%. In consequence, the ethnic distribution of the population did not change between 1960 and 1974 and the proportion of each community remained stable.

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm

5. What is unfortunate is that you continue to demand the same kind of racist discriminations as those that the Ottomans imposed. The Ottomans separated the population into Christians and Greeks. With the 1960 constitution you imposed a similar discrimination where the population was divided into Greeks and Turks. How many other countries do you know that discriminate their population based on their ethnicity? And today you demand even more racist discrimination and the forceful segregation of Cypriots based on their ethnicity!

You are right, this is the 21st century, so why do you behave as if we are still in the era of the Ottomans?

What I support is equality among all citizens without racist discriminations and segregation that people like you want to continue to impose on Cyprus. Those who are like the Ottomans are not all Turkish Cypriots, but the people who share the kind of middle age mentality as you do. There are Turkish Cypriots who accept democracy and accept that all Cypriots should be equal citizens without discriminations (e.g. Kikapu). It is clear that the racist in here is none else than you.

1. Being somewhere does not make you "the owner". You never asked us if we wanted our lands to be Greek! The real "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" started long before the Turks arrived and it was not done by us. The majority of the TC's had already fled, check you "independent" sources, you will find that they will also agree that a lot of them left long before 74 and actually started to come back during the 80s, hmmmm I wonder why...

2. Yet more racist sentiments. No buddy, that does not "create the problems on the island today" that just creates YOUR problems in your limited little brain. We are not Ottomans!

3. The Americans are no ones friend, they will just pretend to be your friend if they have any gain on the matter, if they were our friends, Turkey would have invaded a long time ago and we would be recognized today. But now that you mentioned it, I take it you have forgotten that you had become an airport for the CIA all through out the Iraq invasion. Turkey did not allow them!

4. Dont talk crap Piratis. The GC police worked around the clock to make sure we had every reason to flee, everyone on the island knows it, every historian knows it, dam even that British soldiers book talks about nothing but that. Stop reshaping history to fit in your little fantasy where you are still "fighting the Ottomans". The last person to claim that was a Serb and ended up dumping thousands of executed Muslims into mass graves, remind you of anything? He has a videotape actually expressing how the war was not over, in the 20th century. You sound just as sick as he did!

5. There you go again with your racist Ottoman shite! We are not Ottomans, they were a middle age Empire who wore funny hats and had Harems!! So what you think we have no Christians living in the North anymore or in Turkey, what are you drunk?! You did also separated the people here according to their religion and you are not even a middle age Empire, what was your excuse? We are not behaving like Ottomans, we want a 21st century solution in reaction to what you did to us only 40 years ago, I think thats pretty fair to ask, considering we are not the only people in the world who are waiting for recognition.

I believe there will be democracy here, but like I said, it will be nothing like what you hope for, where it actually is GC domination, thats an etnocracy and you will never ever get it! But have fun dreaming.

ps. I do not believe that you and Kikapu spring from the same idea...

[thegame24]

why do you guys always ignore when we say equal rights for every cypriot.

you talk about racism yet turkey segregates cyprus on race.


Why are turks so desperate to have cyprus or have a guaranteed leadership? Turkey is big enough ffs?

Yes one vote for all and the leadership will most probably be GC, but in the long run a tc party could offer better for cy and then voted in by gcs too. Hell parties will even be integrated with tcs supporting a gcs points and vice versa.


Give that to cyprus now and in 36 years our children and grand children will be living together like nothing happened.

[shahmaran]

Stop acting like our problems started in 74.

We are 2 people now and we have to go through a lot of steps to become 1 again.

[paliometoxo]

because cyprus is theirs also? and they have as much right as the gcs? and if that means bringing in all turkish bums from turkey to even the numbers so they have more control over cyprus and their own state then thats their right also. even though most on this forum are turkish and say there is no tc... why go to turkey when they can take our land? thats what they are good at.

[ZoC]

Stop acting like our problems started in 74.

We are 2 people now and we have to go through a lot of steps to become 1 again.

you're two people - schizos... Cypriots are one.

[shahmaran]

because cyprus is theirs also? and they have as much right as the gcs? and if that means bringing in all turkish bums from turkey to even the numbers so they have more control over cyprus and their own state then thats their right also. even though most on this forum are turkish and say there is no tc... why go to turkey when they can take our land? thats what they are good at.

First of all it is not "your land" but our land.

And if you have the right to flood that side with Russians and Asians then who is to tell us we can't bring cheap workforce form Turkey?

I tell you who, the same people that will do anything to stop us, the TC's, from achieving the smallest amount of prosperity in any way, as they have been doing for decades.

Do you really believe they are fighting Turkey?

Don't be daft!