shahmaran wrote:Piratis wrote:shahmaran wrote:Piratis wrote:shahmaran wrote:Piratis wrote:shahmaran wrote:boulio wrote:ok and what will the federal system be like in your opinion ?
There are a bunch of plans going around.
To be honest I do not care about the inner workings that much.
As long as we have some kind of autonomy and don't have to totally rely on a solely GC run government, police and justice system.
Where we can both have a say on what goes on in the country and on each others states in some way.
Definitely not having to live in an ethnoracy.
On a more extreme level, I rather stay like this than be a "tourist" in my own country, thats definitely a no no!
In what way Turkey or the "trnc" is not an "ethocracy", while a united democratic Cyprus will?
Is there any ethnic group in Turkey that has autonomy and a "say" (veto) on what goes on in the country, or any of the other privileges you demand for your own minority in Cyprus?
Or maybe you mean that where Turks are the majority it is fine to have "ethnocracy" but it is not OK to have one in Cyprus because you are the minority?
No matter how you try to put it you can not escape from the fact that what you demand is nothing short of stealing our lands to have "autonomy" over a territory that belongs to GCs by over 80%, while at the same time you demand racist discriminations and segregation so your minority will gain (on our expense) way more power than what proportionally belongs to you.
Dickhead, Turkey has already had 2 Kurdish presidents, one of them was one of the founders of the state.
Turks and Kurds fought together for the Republic of Turkey, there was no problem between them until the last few decades. This can be related to many things which has no similarity to Cyprus.
Get your facts straight or shut the fuck up!
Plus this is not Turkey, this is Cyprus.
I do not live in Turkey, I have no say in Turkey, I am here!
Since you are apparently unable to communicate in a civilized way, and since I have no wish to drop to your level, I have reported your posts to the Admin, so expect to be banned soon unless you start behaving.
The "Kurdish" presidents that Turkey had were more Turkish than the "real" Turks. They fought against Kurdish secessionists and even maintained the ban against the Kurdish language.
Also do explain how you went from serfs who owned nothing, to %80, as I am dying to know.
The era of slaves and serfs belongs in the past, and if it was not for the Ottomans we would have eventually gone from serfs to owning 100% of property of our island, not just 80% of it. Or maybe you think that if Cyprus was not occupied by the Ottomans Cyprus today would still be under Venetian rule?
You are not the one to judge the level of "Kurdishnes" of people. They got everything they fought for and probably going to get more, are you willing to give us whatever the Kurds get? Doubt it!
Everything they fought for was to be allowed to speak their own language? And they didn't even fully achieve this basic human right! The Kurds don't even get what every other minority in every other EU countries gets. You can get way more than what the Kurds get in Turkey in a united democratic Cyprus. But that is not enough for you, since you demand way more than what any other minority in any other EU country gets, even things that go against our most basic human rights!
The era of slaves and serfs ended with the arrival of the Ottomans, read history and not just crappy Youtube videos. How would you have know that the Venetian rule would have ended, 500 years ago? What are you a prophet or something? The point is you started prospering 500 years ago because of the Ottomans and came to be who you are today.
Unfortunately for you reality does not work from a retrospective point of view. Unless of course you have the ability to change the quantum mechanics of the universe and somehow see the future?
So tell me how you went from serf to %80? I am still waiting to know!!
The Ottoman era of Cyprus was an era of misery for the island, read some independent books. This is why the local population of Cyprus was dramatically reduced. Greek Cypriots were still second category citizens, paying many times more taxes than the Muslims, and their testimony was not even accepted in courts.
The Venetians were not much better of course, but at least the Venetians didn't mass colonize the island, and since they were also Christian they were also more compatible with the local population. Eventually colonialism would be over, and Cyprus would be free without the problems that an "incompatible" (as VP said) Muslim minority creates.
PS. I am able to communicate in a civilized way to the majority of this forum who are civilized people and you are not one of them. This would be apparent if the Admin follows my posts. Just because you express your racist vile in a "polite manner" it does not make you "civilized" but just a scum bag.
Surely you got to expect that much considering I am the person who is targeted by the extremely racist views you relentlessly express, don't you think?
Be fair now!
It is pretty much all you do.
Your demands for racist discriminations and racist segregation make you as racist as one can get. Your problem with me is that I can easily defeat your "arguments" and this forces you to resort to personal attacks having no other way to respond.
Oh yeah? So if the Kurds do achieve getting a state, are you willing to give us a state? They were always allowed to speak their language, things changed not that long ago for reasons Turkey is still trying to come to terms with. Surely 2 military coups which were supported by the CIA (just like the Kurds) did not help either, which makes it even less similar to what we have here.
I also hate the way you always draw analogies from Turkey as if we are from Turkey, further proves the underlying racism in your mentality.
What are these "independent sources" you are on about? I thought you were all about Youtube videos. The Ottoman era was no better than Venetian? Yet you became who you are during which time? I truly do not understand where you come from here and I don't think you have any logical explanation either. You moved from serfs to self ruling people who could even practice their own religion in your own sectarian way and actually own stuff, and yes nothing in this world comes for free. What's new? That surely beats whatever you had before, but of course you have to blame someone for your incompetence. I do not believe that you are stupid enough to not understand what the Ottomans gave you, I think you are strategically denying it for yet more underlying racist agendas.
Funny how the population of the TC's actually were brought down to the verge of extinction once you got any control and still counting! I guess the Ottomans are to be blamed for that as well? I mean you still believe you can read the future, now that you are actually there, genius!
I have no demands for racist discrimination, I genuinely believe that I am being denied the right to enjoy my country because of xenophobic racist minds such as your self. I have never met an EOKA-B terrorist but I am almost certain that they would hold views such as yourselves. Most of the biggest crimes committed in history were done by the people such as yourself who believe they are playing part in the continuation of century old events that actually hold no meaning for everyday people.
I love the way you always delusively declare yourself victorious
But the reality is that the argument is not over, so you cannot possible ever "defeat me" until the Cyprus problem is actually solved. Because our contradiction is not factual but ideological. Until we see if the new RoC still holds racist, discriminative and fascist agendas such as yours, or are they actually willing to move on from the Nazi nation state mentality they have been holding for fuck knows how long, to something more civilized, we cannot know.
But we will know when we see the solution that gets accepted.
Regardless to what I say, I am a serious optimist and believe that a decent solution will come out of this and will hold no trace of your mentality Piratis. In which case I will be right in constantly expressing how full of shit you are. Of course I could be wrong too, we shall wait and see...
1. Kurds have their own territory (they didn't steal it from the Turks). So if they want they can have their own separate state on their own land. You want to have your own state on land that belongs to us by over 80%? Whats next? A Turkish state in Germany?
2. You are obviously really really brainwashed when it comes to the Ottoman rule. The Ottomans massacred 10s of thousands of Cypriots (no other invader did this) and they only allowed to Greek Cypriots some minor administrative duties while at the same time imposing heavy taxes. Whenever we asked for our freedom the Ottomans would murder people by the 100s.
3. For one independent source go to the following website and click on the "Ottoman Rule". It has everything I said about the Ottoman rule in Cyprus.
http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html
4. The population of TCs did not change between 1960 and 1974. If your population declined after 1974 under Turkish rule that is really not our fault. So stop trying to blame us for the results of your own crimes and illegalities.
5. You are the ones who always had fascist, discriminative and racist agendas. The Ottomans segregated the population between Muslims with more rights and Christians with less rights. By blackmailing us, Turkey and UK forced the same kind of racism and discrimination into the 1960 constitution. Now you demand even more segregation and racist discriminations. You support all of these racist Turkish policies of the past and you want even more racism and segregation to be legalized and institutionalized.
What I support is equality among all citizens, one person one vote, without any segregation and racist discriminations. You are the ones who reject this because you want to fuck up Cyprus even more, as if 400 years of such racist practices did not harm Cyprus enough already.
