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[Piratis]

Greece is responsible for the current state and idiots like you amongst the Cypriots who feel connected to those Greek fascists who wanted Enosis.

Don't worry though, your kind is in the verge of extinction.

So when all other Greek territories and islands choose to unite this made them "fascists"? All Greeks must be "fascists" then, because they choose to liberate themselves from foreign oppressors and have their own united country.

[Piratis]

There is obviously no position for the TRNC in becoming an EU member state as it's a Muslim country, that is obvious. Turkey is a member of the OIC by default like how Poland, Bulgaria and Romania became Members of the EU. If Turkey were a Christian country, as it is obviously in a much better position all round than either of the three mentioned Christian countries, it would have been accepted in the EU immediately.

We have a comedian on the forum. The reason the "TRNC" can't be accepted into the EU is because the EU and the rest of the world doesn't recognize such a place. It's nothing to do with the religion of the population, you idiot.

In case you missed it, the Turkish Cypriot citizens of the ROC are already EU members. While the EU, in its wisdom, has already started accession negotiations with a muslim country: Turkey.

However, due to their own stupidity and intransigence, Turkey has refused to recognize a fellow EU member state and has failed to meet its obligations in the accession process. As a result, it finds its accession path has stalled.

The EU is not a gentleman's club where entry is by invite. Turkey cannot be accepted "immediately" as you seem to think. Each candidate country has to fulfill certain criteria and adapt its regulations and institutions to meet EU law.

If Turkey had wanted to, it would be well on its way to EU membership by now. The reason it isn't is entirely due to its own failings.

How the hell can Turkey recognize the "RoC" in its current state its missing 30% of its limbs and has not resolved its problems. Even the EU regret taking you GCs in while the island remains divided you are nothing but a headache for them and act like spoilt brats.

Turkey is responsible for RoCs current state, this is why she is the only country in the world not to recognize RoC.

The EU is very happy to have Cyprus. And I am not talking about the pro-Turk minority among EU members. I am talking about the vast majority of Europeans who are more than happy to have a valid reason to keep Turkey out of the union.

Turkey can see the incompatability of the two sides and thats why she supports the current division which undeniably brought a peaceful existence for all and great properity to GCs who have exploited our recognition purely for themselves. We have yet to resolve any issues she has no reason to leave or recognize the hijacked "RoC" with its Tcs representation.

The EU will exploit and use you all they want because you Gcs are so guliable and riddled with prejuidiced that you cannot see they do nto care a fig leaf about your problem, what have they done to help you over the past 6 years to get what you want? Nothing as you do not have what you want and that is control over hte whole island and Turkey out of the picture.

Too bad the Turks didn't see this "incompatibility" earlier. If they had, then they would have never come to Cyprus, and they wouldn't have created the problem to begin with.

But of course Turks caring about "compatibility" is a new thing. Because until recently all they cared about is how to invade and oppress other people and transfer settlers on the territories they occupied, and the "compatibility" issue with the local populations never seemed to be a problem for them.

[shahmaran]

ok and what will the federal system be like in your opinion ?

There are a bunch of plans going around.

To be honest I do not care about the inner workings that much.

As long as we have some kind of autonomy and don't have to totally rely on a solely GC run government, police and justice system.

Where we can both have a say on what goes on in the country and on each others states in some way.

Definitely not having to live in an ethnoracy.

On a more extreme level, I rather stay like this than be a "tourist" in my own country, thats definitely a no no!

In what way Turkey or the "trnc" is not an "ethocracy", while a united democratic Cyprus will?

Is there any ethnic group in Turkey that has autonomy and a "say" (veto) on what goes on in the country, or any of the other privileges you demand for your own minority in Cyprus?

Or maybe you mean that where Turks are the majority it is fine to have "ethnocracy" but it is not OK to have one in Cyprus because you are the minority?

No matter how you try to put it you can not escape from the fact that what you demand is nothing short of stealing our lands to have "autonomy" over a territory that belongs to GCs by over 80%, while at the same time you demand racist discriminations and segregation so your minority will gain (on our expense) way more power than what proportionally belongs to you.

Dickhead, Turkey has already had 2 Kurdish presidents, one of them was one of the founders of the state.

Turks and Kurds fought together for the Republic of Turkey, there was no problem between them until the last few decades. This can be related to many things which has no similarity to Cyprus.

Get your facts straight or shut the fuck up!

Plus this is not Turkey, this is Cyprus.

I do not live in Turkey, I have no say in Turkey, I am here!

Since you are apparently unable to communicate in a civilized way, and since I have no wish to drop to your level, I have reported your posts to the Admin, so expect to be banned soon unless you start behaving.

The "Kurdish" presidents that Turkey had were more Turkish than the "real" Turks. They fought against Kurdish secessionists and even maintained the ban against the Kurdish language.

Also do explain how you went from serfs who owned nothing, to %80, as I am dying to know.

The era of slaves and serfs belongs in the past, and if it was not for the Ottomans we would have eventually gone from serfs to owning 100% of property of our island, not just 80% of it. Or maybe you think that if Cyprus was not occupied by the Ottomans Cyprus today would still be under Venetian rule?

You are not the one to judge the level of "Kurdishnes" of people. They got everything they fought for and probably going to get more, are you willing to give us whatever the Kurds get? Doubt it!

The era of slaves and serfs ended with the arrival of the Ottomans, read history and not just crappy Youtube videos. How would you have know that the Venetian rule would have ended, 500 years ago? What are you a prophet or something? The point is you started prospering 500 years ago because of the Ottomans and came to be who you are today.

Unfortunately for you reality does not work from a retrospective point of view. Unless of course you have the ability to change the quantum mechanics of the universe and somehow see the future?

So tell me how you went from serf to %80? I am still waiting to know!!

PS. I am able to communicate in a civilized way to the majority of this forum who are civilized people and you are not one of them. This would be apparent if the Admin follows my posts. Just because you express your racist vile in a "polite manner" it does not make you "civilized" but just a scum bag.

Surely you got to expect that much considering I am the person who is targeted by the extremely racist views you relentlessly express, don't you think?

Be fair now!

It is pretty much all you do.

[shahmaran]

Greece is responsible for the current state and idiots like you amongst the Cypriots who feel connected to those Greek fascists who wanted Enosis.

Don't worry though, your kind is in the verge of extinction.

So when all other Greek territories and islands choose to unite this made them "fascists"? All Greeks must be "fascists" then

Well you might just have a point there buster.

The Greeks also set out to get more than they owned right into Anatolia.

I guess that was their "right" as well?

Bottom line is, everyone fights for self determination, if you get it fair enough, if you do not then though shit.

There is no right and wrong.

I am sorry that the history of war has left you at the bottom of the food chain, to be honest, that really is none of my concern.

Deal with it!

[Get Real!]

How the hell can Turkey recognize the "RoC" in its current state its missing 30% of its limbs...

More like its appendix which burst way back in 1963!

[Piratis]

ok and what will the federal system be like in your opinion ?

There are a bunch of plans going around.

To be honest I do not care about the inner workings that much.

As long as we have some kind of autonomy and don't have to totally rely on a solely GC run government, police and justice system.

Where we can both have a say on what goes on in the country and on each others states in some way.

Definitely not having to live in an ethnoracy.

On a more extreme level, I rather stay like this than be a "tourist" in my own country, thats definitely a no no!

In what way Turkey or the "trnc" is not an "ethocracy", while a united democratic Cyprus will?

Is there any ethnic group in Turkey that has autonomy and a "say" (veto) on what goes on in the country, or any of the other privileges you demand for your own minority in Cyprus?

Or maybe you mean that where Turks are the majority it is fine to have "ethnocracy" but it is not OK to have one in Cyprus because you are the minority?

No matter how you try to put it you can not escape from the fact that what you demand is nothing short of stealing our lands to have "autonomy" over a territory that belongs to GCs by over 80%, while at the same time you demand racist discriminations and segregation so your minority will gain (on our expense) way more power than what proportionally belongs to you.

Dickhead, Turkey has already had 2 Kurdish presidents, one of them was one of the founders of the state.

Turks and Kurds fought together for the Republic of Turkey, there was no problem between them until the last few decades. This can be related to many things which has no similarity to Cyprus.

Get your facts straight or shut the fuck up!

Plus this is not Turkey, this is Cyprus.

I do not live in Turkey, I have no say in Turkey, I am here!

Since you are apparently unable to communicate in a civilized way, and since I have no wish to drop to your level, I have reported your posts to the Admin, so expect to be banned soon unless you start behaving.

The "Kurdish" presidents that Turkey had were more Turkish than the "real" Turks. They fought against Kurdish secessionists and even maintained the ban against the Kurdish language.

Also do explain how you went from serfs who owned nothing, to %80, as I am dying to know.

The era of slaves and serfs belongs in the past, and if it was not for the Ottomans we would have eventually gone from serfs to owning 100% of property of our island, not just 80% of it. Or maybe you think that if Cyprus was not occupied by the Ottomans Cyprus today would still be under Venetian rule?

You are not the one to judge the level of "Kurdishnes" of people. They got everything they fought for and probably going to get more, are you willing to give us whatever the Kurds get? Doubt it!

Everything they fought for was to be allowed to speak their own language? And they didn't even fully achieve this basic human right! The Kurds don't even get what every other minority in every other EU countries gets. You can get way more than what the Kurds get in Turkey in a united democratic Cyprus. But that is not enough for you, since you demand way more than what any other minority in any other EU country gets, even things that go against our most basic human rights!

The era of slaves and serfs ended with the arrival of the Ottomans, read history and not just crappy Youtube videos. How would you have know that the Venetian rule would have ended, 500 years ago? What are you a prophet or something? The point is you started prospering 500 years ago because of the Ottomans and came to be who you are today.

Unfortunately for you reality does not work from a retrospective point of view. Unless of course you have the ability to change the quantum mechanics of the universe and somehow see the future?

So tell me how you went from serf to %80? I am still waiting to know!!

The Ottoman era of Cyprus was an era of misery for the island, read some independent books. This is why the local population of Cyprus was dramatically reduced. Greek Cypriots were still second category citizens, paying many times more taxes than the Muslims, and their testimony was not even accepted in courts.

The Venetians were not much better of course, but at least the Venetians didn't mass colonize the island, and since they were also Christian they were also more compatible with the local population. Eventually colonialism would be over, and Cyprus would be free without the problems that an "incompatible" (as VP said) Muslim minority creates.

PS. I am able to communicate in a civilized way to the majority of this forum who are civilized people and you are not one of them. This would be apparent if the Admin follows my posts. Just because you express your racist vile in a "polite manner" it does not make you "civilized" but just a scum bag.

Surely you got to expect that much considering I am the person who is targeted by the extremely racist views you relentlessly express, don't you think?

Be fair now!

It is pretty much all you do.

Your demands for racist discriminations and racist segregation make you as racist as one can get. Your problem with me is that I can easily defeat your "arguments" and this forces you to resort to personal attacks having no other way to respond.

[bigOz]

Piratis! you are again quoting self-made fictional fantasies as history. Most of the rubbish you write can be found nowhere except in some neo-fascist publication of course!

You keep referring to "independent books" and shites but I am yet to see the names of these books or any quotes from them. In fact you never produce any evidence to support any of your silly arguments.

My advice to anyone arguing with you is DO NOT BOTHER!

[Viewpoint]

There is obviously no position for the TRNC in becoming an EU member state as it's a Muslim country, that is obvious. Turkey is a member of the OIC by default like how Poland, Bulgaria and Romania became Members of the EU. If Turkey were a Christian country, as it is obviously in a much better position all round than either of the three mentioned Christian countries, it would have been accepted in the EU immediately.

We have a comedian on the forum. The reason the "TRNC" can't be accepted into the EU is because the EU and the rest of the world doesn't recognize such a place. It's nothing to do with the religion of the population, you idiot.

In case you missed it, the Turkish Cypriot citizens of the ROC are already EU members. While the EU, in its wisdom, has already started accession negotiations with a muslim country: Turkey.

However, due to their own stupidity and intransigence, Turkey has refused to recognize a fellow EU member state and has failed to meet its obligations in the accession process. As a result, it finds its accession path has stalled.

The EU is not a gentleman's club where entry is by invite. Turkey cannot be accepted "immediately" as you seem to think. Each candidate country has to fulfill certain criteria and adapt its regulations and institutions to meet EU law.

If Turkey had wanted to, it would be well on its way to EU membership by now. The reason it isn't is entirely due to its own failings.

How the hell can Turkey recognize the "RoC" in its current state its missing 30% of its limbs and has not resolved its problems. Even the EU regret taking you GCs in while the island remains divided you are nothing but a headache for them and act like spoilt brats.

Turkey is responsible for RoCs current state, this is why she is the only country in the world not to recognize RoC.

The EU is very happy to have Cyprus. And I am not talking about the pro-Turk minority among EU members. I am talking about the vast majority of Europeans who are more than happy to have a valid reason to keep Turkey out of the union.

Turkey can see the incompatability of the two sides and thats why she supports the current division which undeniably brought a peaceful existence for all and great properity to GCs who have exploited our recognition purely for themselves. We have yet to resolve any issues she has no reason to leave or recognize the hijacked "RoC" with its Tcs representation.

The EU will exploit and use you all they want because you Gcs are so guliable and riddled with prejuidiced that you cannot see they do nto care a fig leaf about your problem, what have they done to help you over the past 6 years to get what you want? Nothing as you do not have what you want and that is control over hte whole island and Turkey out of the picture.

Too bad the Turks didn't see this "incompatibility" earlier. If they had, then they would have never come to Cyprus, and they wouldn't have created the problem to begin with.

But of course Turks caring about "compatibility" is a new thing. Because until recently all they cared about is how to invade and oppress other people and transfer settlers on the territories they occupied, and the "compatibility" issue with the local populations never seemed to be a problem for them.

The two sides are incompatable, non solution is testiment to this and the world will in time realize that we will never be united.

[humanist]

"trnc" doesn't stand a chance of being in the EU coz its not a country you moron. It is the occupied area of an EU member State. Get yer facts right

[shahmaran]

ok and what will the federal system be like in your opinion ?

There are a bunch of plans going around.

To be honest I do not care about the inner workings that much.

As long as we have some kind of autonomy and don't have to totally rely on a solely GC run government, police and justice system.

Where we can both have a say on what goes on in the country and on each others states in some way.

Definitely not having to live in an ethnoracy.

On a more extreme level, I rather stay like this than be a "tourist" in my own country, thats definitely a no no!

In what way Turkey or the "trnc" is not an "ethocracy", while a united democratic Cyprus will?

Is there any ethnic group in Turkey that has autonomy and a "say" (veto) on what goes on in the country, or any of the other privileges you demand for your own minority in Cyprus?

Or maybe you mean that where Turks are the majority it is fine to have "ethnocracy" but it is not OK to have one in Cyprus because you are the minority?

No matter how you try to put it you can not escape from the fact that what you demand is nothing short of stealing our lands to have "autonomy" over a territory that belongs to GCs by over 80%, while at the same time you demand racist discriminations and segregation so your minority will gain (on our expense) way more power than what proportionally belongs to you.

Dickhead, Turkey has already had 2 Kurdish presidents, one of them was one of the founders of the state.

Turks and Kurds fought together for the Republic of Turkey, there was no problem between them until the last few decades. This can be related to many things which has no similarity to Cyprus.

Get your facts straight or shut the fuck up!

Plus this is not Turkey, this is Cyprus.

I do not live in Turkey, I have no say in Turkey, I am here!

Since you are apparently unable to communicate in a civilized way, and since I have no wish to drop to your level, I have reported your posts to the Admin, so expect to be banned soon unless you start behaving.

The "Kurdish" presidents that Turkey had were more Turkish than the "real" Turks. They fought against Kurdish secessionists and even maintained the ban against the Kurdish language.

Also do explain how you went from serfs who owned nothing, to %80, as I am dying to know.

The era of slaves and serfs belongs in the past, and if it was not for the Ottomans we would have eventually gone from serfs to owning 100% of property of our island, not just 80% of it. Or maybe you think that if Cyprus was not occupied by the Ottomans Cyprus today would still be under Venetian rule?

You are not the one to judge the level of "Kurdishnes" of people. They got everything they fought for and probably going to get more, are you willing to give us whatever the Kurds get? Doubt it!

Everything they fought for was to be allowed to speak their own language? And they didn't even fully achieve this basic human right! The Kurds don't even get what every other minority in every other EU countries gets. You can get way more than what the Kurds get in Turkey in a united democratic Cyprus. But that is not enough for you, since you demand way more than what any other minority in any other EU country gets, even things that go against our most basic human rights!

The era of slaves and serfs ended with the arrival of the Ottomans, read history and not just crappy Youtube videos. How would you have know that the Venetian rule would have ended, 500 years ago? What are you a prophet or something? The point is you started prospering 500 years ago because of the Ottomans and came to be who you are today.

Unfortunately for you reality does not work from a retrospective point of view. Unless of course you have the ability to change the quantum mechanics of the universe and somehow see the future?

So tell me how you went from serf to %80? I am still waiting to know!!

The Ottoman era of Cyprus was an era of misery for the island, read some independent books. This is why the local population of Cyprus was dramatically reduced. Greek Cypriots were still second category citizens, paying many times more taxes than the Muslims, and their testimony was not even accepted in courts.

The Venetians were not much better of course, but at least the Venetians didn't mass colonize the island, and since they were also Christian they were also more compatible with the local population. Eventually colonialism would be over, and Cyprus would be free without the problems that an "incompatible" (as VP said) Muslim minority creates.

PS. I am able to communicate in a civilized way to the majority of this forum who are civilized people and you are not one of them. This would be apparent if the Admin follows my posts. Just because you express your racist vile in a "polite manner" it does not make you "civilized" but just a scum bag.

Surely you got to expect that much considering I am the person who is targeted by the extremely racist views you relentlessly express, don't you think?

Be fair now!

It is pretty much all you do.

Your demands for racist discriminations and racist segregation make you as racist as one can get. Your problem with me is that I can easily defeat your "arguments" and this forces you to resort to personal attacks having no other way to respond.

Oh yeah? So if the Kurds do achieve getting a state, are you willing to give us a state? They were always allowed to speak their language, things changed not that long ago for reasons Turkey is still trying to come to terms with. Surely 2 military coups which were supported by the CIA (just like the Kurds) did not help either, which makes it even less similar to what we have here.

I also hate the way you always draw analogies from Turkey as if we are from Turkey, further proves the underlying racism in your mentality.

What are these "independent sources" you are on about? I thought you were all about Youtube videos. The Ottoman era was no better than Venetian? Yet you became who you are during which time? I truly do not understand where you come from here and I don't think you have any logical explanation either. You moved from serfs to self ruling people who could even practice their own religion in your own sectarian way and actually own stuff, and yes nothing in this world comes for free. What's new? That surely beats whatever you had before, but of course you have to blame someone for your incompetence. I do not believe that you are stupid enough to not understand what the Ottomans gave you, I think you are strategically denying it for yet more underlying racist agendas.

Funny how the population of the TC's actually were brought down to the verge of extinction once you got any control and still counting! I guess the Ottomans are to be blamed for that as well? I mean you still believe you can read the future, now that you are actually there, genius!

I have no demands for racist discrimination, I genuinely believe that I am being denied the right to enjoy my country because of xenophobic racist minds such as your self. I have never met an EOKA-B terrorist but I am almost certain that they would hold views such as yourselves. Most of the biggest crimes committed in history were done by the people such as yourself who believe they are playing part in the continuation of century old events that actually hold no meaning for everyday people.

I love the way you always delusively declare yourself victorious

But the reality is that the argument is not over, so you cannot possible ever "defeat me" until the Cyprus problem is actually solved. Because our contradiction is not factual but ideological. Until we see if the new RoC still holds racist, discriminative and fascist agendas such as yours, or are they actually willing to move on from the Nazi nation state mentality they have been holding for fuck knows how long, to something more civilized, we cannot know.

But we will know when we see the solution that gets accepted.

Regardless to what I say, I am a serious optimist and believe that a decent solution will come out of this and will hold no trace of your mentality Piratis. In which case I will be right in constantly expressing how full of shit you are. Of course I could be wrong too, we shall wait and see...