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[MrH]

Let's get to the point of the matter. If Christofias and the Majority do not believe in the idea of a BBF deal lead by the UN based on the "High Level Agreements", then why not Officially declare its failure and start a new round of Negotiations based on a European Union Platform? Is Cyprus now not an EU member country, is Turkey now not a Candidate for EU membership? Why all this pointless UN based Cyprus Talks?

[Get Real!]

...start a new round of Negotiations based on a European Union Platform?

What's that supposed to mean?

It's now back to UN Resolutions so it doesn't get any more European than that!

UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

UN RESOLUTION 550 (1984)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm

[CBBB]

Let's get to the point of the matter. If Christofias and the Majority do not believe in the idea of a BBF deal lead by the UN based on the "High Level Agreements", then why not Officially declare its failure and start a new round of Negotiations based on a European Union Platform? Is Cyprus now not an EU member country, is Turkey now not a Candidate for EU membership? Why all this pointless UN based Cyprus Talks?

You keep telling us that Turkey don't want EU membership, but what do you know, you say you are a reporter (without a newspaper).

[boulio]

christofias and the majority of the ROC would i believe in the spirit of comprimise agree to a true federal republic the problem is the turks have there own definition of federal which im afraid means confederal.

[Hermes]

Let's get to the point of the matter. If Christofias and the Majority do not believe in the idea of a BBF deal lead by the UN based on the "High Level Agreements", then why not Officially declare its failure and start a new round of Negotiations based on a European Union Platform? Is Cyprus now not an EU member country, is Turkey now not a Candidate for EU membership? Why all this pointless UN based Cyprus Talks?

The talks are already under the auspices of the EU as any agreement has to satisfy EU law.

[MrH]

Get Real,

You know very well that those two resolutions are Advice ONLY.

After George Bush ignoring UN resolutions preventing his army from invading Iraq, one really questions the significance of such resolutions let alone the outdated ones you've mentioned above.

You know what I mean.

[Get Real!]

You know very well that those two resolutions are Advice ONLY.

If these look like "advice only" to you then you should go right back to primary school...

"Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus. "

"Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus "

After George Bush ignoring UN resolutions preventing his army from invading Iraq,...one really questions the significance of such resolutions let alone the outdated ones you've mentioned above.

UN Resolutions do NOT have an expiry date unless fully complied with and had they not been significant, you wouldn't have been so frustrated today!

You know what I mean.

I haven't the FAINTEST idea what you mean.

Anyone who thinks they can downplay UN Resolutions had better think twice about why the occupied territory is denied direct flights, denied direct trade, denied recognition, and denied everything else!

I assure you that UN Resolutions have proven VERY EFFECTIVE short of military action thus far.

[MrH]

Get Real wrote:

MrH wrote:
You know very well that those two resolutions are Advice ONLY.

If these look like "advice only" to you then you should go right back to primary school...

"Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus. "

"Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus "

Quote:
After George Bush ignoring UN resolutions preventing his army from invading Iraq,...one really questions the significance of such resolutions let alone the outdated ones you've mentioned above.

UN Resolutions do NOT have an expiry date unless fully complied with and had they not been significant, you wouldn't have been so frustrated today!

Quote:
You know what I mean.

I haven't the FAINTEST idea what you mean.

Anyone who thinks they can downplay UN Resolutions had better think twice about why the occupied territory is denied direct flights, denied direct trade, denied recognition, and denied everything else!

I assure you that UN Resolutions have proven VERY EFFECTIVE short of military action thus far.

Get Real and Hermes,

In short, a UN Sponsored agreement is primarily based on a BBF deal which is of course what Christofias is dead against, while an EU based agreement only would clearly not be. We are bold in saying that we demand an agreement to be based on two states with all the trimmings, while obviously your leadership are to scared come out of their shell and tell the truth of what they really want.

The UN Resolutions mentioned by Get Real were in response to the declaration of the TRNC - which may I add was abstained by the U.S.A and rejected by Pakistan, where I wonder what the result would be today if the UN panel were to vote on such a resolution today!

Finally, The EU have said that the "ROC does not have Effective Control over the Northern Part of the Island", in other words, good bye Northern Cyprus until BOTH Communities and people can broker a BBF deal. The UK only swings your way because of the threat of losing their Two Bases, but of course we know how dim-witted the Greek Cypriots are in understanding Britain’s true political intentions and much superior British politics is in handling a bunch of Nationalist fools. The British, and believe me I know first hand, Will always support a Swiss Style Confederation (Nudge Nudge) as it the idea of a Conflict and Autonomous Constituents states guarantees their "Sovereign" bases on the island. They know very well how much hatred the Greek Cypriots have for them and how the Greek Cypriots so wished that their EU entry had, in 2004, received the backing from the other EU states in forcing the British to remove their bases - Fat Chance.

And, the Greek Cypriots know to well not to stand up to the British any day of the week as they may just see a recognised TRNC in front of them if the British lose their bases one day. Again, Get Real, please do not try to undermine my intelligence with your deep rooted Greek nationalism.

Getting back to the main point of this Thread/debate/Topic, if the Greek administration had any belief and strength in their policies, like Eroglu has displayed, besides of course Mr Papadopoulos who seemed to have the balls others did not, they would reject the current BBF basis of a unification deal and demand that it be handled by the EU only - Seeing that the island, entire island, is a FULL Member of the almighty European Union.

Sweet dreams my Compatriots.

[Oracle]

Why is Christofias still Talking?

Because you Turks are forced to listen!

[boomerang]

Get Real wrote:

MrH wrote:
You know very well that those two resolutions are Advice ONLY.

If these look like "advice only" to you then you should go right back to primary school...

"Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus. "

"Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus "

Quote:
After George Bush ignoring UN resolutions preventing his army from invading Iraq,...one really questions the significance of such resolutions let alone the outdated ones you've mentioned above.

UN Resolutions do NOT have an expiry date unless fully complied with and had they not been significant, you wouldn't have been so frustrated today!

Quote:
You know what I mean.

I haven't the FAINTEST idea what you mean.

Anyone who thinks they can downplay UN Resolutions had better think twice about why the occupied territory is denied direct flights, denied direct trade, denied recognition, and denied everything else!

I assure you that UN Resolutions have proven VERY EFFECTIVE short of military action thus far.

Get Real and Hermes,

In short, a UN Sponsored agreement is primarily based on a BBF deal which is of course what Christofias is dead against, while an EU based agreement only would clearly not be. We are bold in saying that we demand an agreement to be based on two states with all the trimmings, while obviously your leadership are to scared come out of their shell and tell the truth of what they really want.

The UN Resolutions mentioned by Get Real were in response to the declaration of the TRNC - which may I add was abstained by the U.S.A and rejected by Pakistan, where I wonder what the result would be today if the UN panel were to vote on such a resolution today!

Finally, The EU have said that the "ROC does not have Effective Control over the Northern Part of the Island", in other words, good bye Northern Cyprus until BOTH Communities and people can broker a BBF deal. The UK only swings your way because of the threat of losing their Two Bases, but of course we know how dim-witted the Greek Cypriots are in understanding Britain’s true political intentions and much superior British politics is in handling a bunch of Nationalist fools. The British, and believe me I know first hand, Will always support a Swiss Style Confederation (Nudge Nudge) as it the idea of a Conflict and Autonomous Constituents states guarantees their "Sovereign" bases on the island. They know very well how much hatred the Greek Cypriots have for them and how the Greek Cypriots so wished that their EU entry had, in 2004, received the backing from the other EU states in forcing the British to remove their bases - Fat Chance.

And, the Greek Cypriots know to well not to stand up to the British any day of the week as they may just see a recognised TRNC in front of them if the British lose their bases one day. Again, Get Real, please do not try to undermine my intelligence with your deep rooted Greek nationalism.

Getting back to the main point of this Thread/debate/Topic, if the Greek administration had any belief and strength in their policies, like Eroglu has displayed, besides of course Mr Papadopoulos who seemed to have the balls others did not, they would reject the current BBF basis of a unification deal and demand that it be handled by the EU only - Seeing that the island, entire island, is a FULL Member of the almighty European Union.

Sweet dreams my Compatriots.

it's called playing the game...you insisted this all along and still to this very it got you nowhere...

turkey wants to join the eu and as eroglu says his main priority is safeguarding turkey's interests, not the tcs...doesn't this bitch slaps you in the face?...by your elected leader?...

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.