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[Oracle]

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

I disagree.

Turkey can fool all of the TCs all of the time!

[MrH]

I love you too my Dear Oracle, of course you always wrongly assume that I am completely a Turkish Cypriot - oh would you be shocked!

[Oracle]

you always wrongly assume that I am completely a Turkish Cypriot -

Wrong!

I assume you are "completely" a βλακας.

Not wrong there, am I?

[shahmaran]

What I don't get is that, would the RoC not benefit more, regarding her goal on the Cyprus Problem, if Turkey had actually joined the EU?

I mean all she has got is a veto power which she fully abuses. But what will she do if Turkey has had enough and gave up?

The negotiations have not been active for ages and the EU is not even sure if Turkey actually wants to be a part anymore. (no shit!)

But what if Turkey did actually join?

[Hermes]

What I don't get is that, would the RoC not benefit more, regarding her goal on the Cyprus Problem, if Turkey had actually joined the EU?

I mean all she has got is a veto power which she fully abuses. But what will she do if Turkey has had enough and gave up?

The negotiations have not been active for ages and the EU is not even sure if Turkey actually wants to be a part anymore. (no shit!)

But what if Turkey did actually join?

The problem is that Turkey can't join the EU because it has failed to meet its obligations. The ROC is not blocking anything. As soon as Turkey meets its obligations then the negotiating chapters will be unfrozen and Turkey can progress towards accession. The question is: why is Turkey deliberately choosing to keep itself out of the EU?

[shahmaran]

What I don't get is that, would the RoC not benefit more, regarding her goal on the Cyprus Problem, if Turkey had actually joined the EU?

I mean all she has got is a veto power which she fully abuses. But what will she do if Turkey has had enough and gave up?

The negotiations have not been active for ages and the EU is not even sure if Turkey actually wants to be a part anymore. (no shit!)

But what if Turkey did actually join?

The problem is that Turkey can't join the EU because it has failed to meet its obligations. The ROC is not blocking anything. As soon as Turkey meets its obligations then the negotiating chapters will be unfrozen and Turkey can progress towards accession. The question is: why is Turkey deliberately choosing to keep itself out of the EU?

That is not entirely true.

The RoC alone has blocked more than France and Germany put together (who are Turkey's biggest opposers).

The RoC seems to think that keeping Turkey out will somehow serve their own interest.

My question is, on the contrary, wouldn't her accession actually help their interests?

They will have more control over Turkey than they do now, which is hardly existent at the moment.

Turkey refers to the RoC as the "Greek Cypriot administration" and does not recognize them.

That is pretty humiliating for a country that is trying to force Turkey to hear them.

If Turkey totally shifts from West to East and gives up on the EU, the RoC will have nothing left.

How would you like a Turkey with very close ties to China?

Answer to your question, I believe Turkey is sick of being messed around.

Countries who have applied years after her, have got in.

This is not just about Cyprus or her constitution, there is clearly another agenda behind it and the Turks are more and more aware of it.

70 million Muslims is more of an obstacle than the Cyprus problem, in my opinion.

[Hermes]

That is not entirely true.

The RoC alone has blocked more than France and Germany put together (who are Turkey's biggest opposers).

The RoC seems to think that keeping Turkey out will somehow serve their own interest.

You miss the point. Turkey cannot progress its EU accession because it is failing to meet its obligations. The crux of the problem has been Turkey's non-compliance with obligations set out in the 2004 Ankara Protocol, which were later included in the country's negotiating framework for EU accession.

In its progress report on Turkey, the European Commission highlighted how Ankara has not progressed on normalising bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus. Turkey is yet to fully implement the Additional Protocol of the Association Agreement and has not removed all obstacles to the free movement of goods, including restrictions on direct transport links with Cyprus.

Because Turkey is refusing to fulfill its obligations to the EU its accession process has ground to a halt. Instead of realising the door is wide open, Turkey is blaming the EU for blocking its progress. In fact, Turkey is shutting itself out of the EU.

Cyprus is a test of Turkey's commitment to EU norms and standards. If it was bold, it would recognise Cyprus, withdraw its troops, open its ports and allow the return of Varosha to its rightful inhabitants. But because it sees these as concessions rather than obligations it cannot do anything and asks for something in return.

Turkey claims it wants to join the EU but it wants to join on its own terms. It wants to be an EU member and to enjoy all the benefits of membership but it wants to continue to occupy Cyprus. It doesn't actually think there is a contradiction in this position. That is the source of Turkey's dilemma.

[Gasman]

I assure you that UN Resolutions have proven VERY EFFECTIVE short of military action thus far.

They've not been very effective where ISRAEL is concerned have they? I believe Israel is in breach of more UN resolutions than any other country.

But then I suppose it's OK for Israel not to comply with the UN, just not OK for Turkey!

UN resolutions, schmesolutions.

[shahmaran]

That is not entirely true.

The RoC alone has blocked more than France and Germany put together (who are Turkey's biggest opposers).

The RoC seems to think that keeping Turkey out will somehow serve their own interest.

You miss the point. Turkey cannot progress its EU accession because it is failing to meet its obligations. The crux of the problem has been Turkey's non-compliance with obligations set out in the 2004 Ankara Protocol, which were later included in the country's negotiating framework for EU accession.

In its progress report on Turkey, the European Commission highlighted how Ankara has not progressed on normalising bilateral relations with the Republic of Cyprus. Turkey is yet to fully implement the Additional Protocol of the Association Agreement and has not removed all obstacles to the free movement of goods, including restrictions on direct transport links with Cyprus.

Because Turkey is refusing to fulfill its obligations to the EU its accession process has ground to a halt. Instead of realising the door is wide open, Turkey is blaming the EU for blocking its progress. In fact, Turkey is shutting itself out of the EU.

Cyprus is a test of Turkey's commitment to EU norms and standards. If it was bold, it would recognise Cyprus, withdraw its troops, open its ports and allow the return of Varosha to its rightful inhabitants. But because it sees these as concessions rather than obligations it cannot do anything and asks for something in return.

Turkey claims it wants to join the EU but it wants to join on its own terms. It wants to be an EU member and to enjoy all the benefits of membership but it wants to continue to occupy Cyprus. It doesn't actually think there is a contradiction in this position. That is the source of Turkey's dilemma.

Hermes you are talking as if it was Turkey who has been refusing every single solution to date.

Refusing all solutions and then blaming Turkey for "not complying" is hardly clever.

They just want to "create" a problem and pretend it is someone else's fault that there is no solution, in the hope that we will cave in to the pressures of the isolation, while Turkey caves in to the pressures of the EU membership requirements.

The world will wait around for the GC's to be "satisfied" only for so long, and Turkey will hang around the EU door only for so long.

And then what are they going to do?

[MrH]

Hermes Wrote:

You miss the point. Turkey cannot progress its EU accession because it is failing to meet its obligations. The crux of the problem has been Turkey's non-compliance with obligations set out in the 2004 Ankara Protocol, which were later included in the country's negotiating framework for EU accession.

Mate, for your Greek Cypriot Cyprus policy's sake, you better hope that Turkey's EU flame is kept alive or you may one day wake up with a Northern Cyprus-Turkey looking at you with a sudden influx of 4+ million Turkish Nationals - After its Annexation. And with Turkey officially out of the EU, well, I would then say good luck to BOTH the Greek and Turkish Cypriots on the island.