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Postby insan » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:24 pm

Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...


The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

:lol: :lol:

R u sure? Wasn't the aspiration of GCs Enosis since 1821? When did GCs fight or struggle for an independent Cyprus republic? :lol:

GR, get your facts right! Had TCs not fought against GC aspiration Enosis by collaborating with Brits and Turks you would have been living in a Greek island for a while... and if you didn't like being under Greek rule you would have been free to move any country you like;ie, Lebenon or Africa where you think your ancestors originated... :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:54 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...


The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

:lol: :lol:

R u sure? Wasn't the aspiration of GCs Enosis since 1821? When did GCs fight or struggle for an independent Cyprus republic? :lol:

GR, get your facts right! Had TCs not fought against GC aspiration Enosis by collaborating with Brits and Turks you would have been living in a Greek island for a while... and if you didn't like being under Greek rule you would have been free to move any country you like;ie, Lebenon or Africa where you think your ancestors originated... :lol:

Your brain is awfully confused with everything!

First and foremost, the great majority of Greek Cypriots were UNANIMOUS about the REMOVAL OF BRITISH RULE and what was desirable to happen THEREAFTER was a matter of opinion!

Some wanted Enosis with Greece, others wanted Cypriot independence, while others had some other funny communist ideas!

Either way, the IMMEDIATE PROBLEM with which everyone agreed was BRITISH RULE and hence the 1955..1959 EOKA struggle against it.

The oath taken to join EOKA starts with…

"I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life. "


Case closed!
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Postby insan » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:06 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...


The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

:lol: :lol:

R u sure? Wasn't the aspiration of GCs Enosis since 1821? When did GCs fight or struggle for an independent Cyprus republic? :lol:

GR, get your facts right! Had TCs not fought against GC aspiration Enosis by collaborating with Brits and Turks you would have been living in a Greek island for a while... and if you didn't like being under Greek rule you would have been free to move any country you like;ie, Lebenon or Africa where you think your ancestors originated... :lol:

Your brain is awfully confused with everything!

First and foremost, the great majority of Greek Cypriots were UNANIMOUS about the REMOVAL OF BRITISH RULE and what was desirable to happen THEREAFTER was a matter of opinion!

Some wanted Enosis with Greece, others wanted Cypriot independence, while others had some other funny communist ideas!

Either way, the IMMEDIATE PROBLEM with which everyone agreed was BRITISH RULE and hence the 1955..1959 EOKA struggle against it.

The oath taken to join EOKA starts with…

"I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life. "


Case closed!


Yeah! Without removing British Rule, they would'nt be able to annex Cyprus to Greece; their motherland which overwhelming majority of then the GCs believed or made believe...

An EOKA under the harsh command of ultra Hellenic nationalist Grivas had no chance to fight for independence of Cyprus even if they believed they were not the descendants of Hellenes...

Moreover, it was official and unofficial Greek political groups who supplied arms and ammunitions for EOKA's Enosis struggle... even this was sufficient for EOKA fighters to be dependent on those circles from Greece and obbey the rules of those Greek circles...

Finally I don't think Grivas and those ultra-nationalist Greek political circles besides ultra-nationalist GCs were as stupid as you not being aware of Cyprus' geo-political value for their national interests... :wink:
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:22 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...


The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

:lol: :lol:

R u sure? Wasn't the aspiration of GCs Enosis since 1821? When did GCs fight or struggle for an independent Cyprus republic? :lol:

GR, get your facts right! Had TCs not fought against GC aspiration Enosis by collaborating with Brits and Turks you would have been living in a Greek island for a while... and if you didn't like being under Greek rule you would have been free to move any country you like;ie, Lebenon or Africa where you think your ancestors originated... :lol:

Your brain is awfully confused with everything!

First and foremost, the great majority of Greek Cypriots were UNANIMOUS about the REMOVAL OF BRITISH RULE and what was desirable to happen THEREAFTER was a matter of opinion!

Some wanted Enosis with Greece, others wanted Cypriot independence, while others had some other funny communist ideas!

Either way, the IMMEDIATE PROBLEM with which everyone agreed was BRITISH RULE and hence the 1955..1959 EOKA struggle against it.

The oath taken to join EOKA starts with…

"I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life. "


Case closed!


Yeah! Without removing British Rule, they would'nt be able to annex Cyprus to Greece; their motherland which overwhelming majority of then the GCs believed or made believe...

An EOKA under the harsh command of ultra Hellenic nationalist Grivas had no chance to fight for independence of Cyprus even if they believed they were not the descendants of Hellenes...

Moreover, it was official and unofficial Greek political groups who supplied arms and ammunitions for EOKA's Enosis struggle... even this was sufficient for EOKA fighters to be dependent on those circles from Greece and obbey the rules of those Greek circles...

Finally I don't think Grivas and those ultra-nationalist Greek political circles besides ultra-nationalist GCs were as stupid as you not being aware of Cyprus' geo-political value for their national interests... :wink:

Baloney!

We saw very clearly from the July 15th Greek coup that it wasn’t the “overwhelming majority” that supported union with Greece, but some 40%.

The number of fatalities during those 3-4 days from both sides was INCREDIBLY CLOSE standing at 40 Vs 37 even though the coupists had full control of the army!

I have the lists of all the dead…

Patriots:
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... List01.htm

Coupists:
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... List02.htm

So, your “overwhelming majority were for enosis with Greece” argument has been squashed!
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Postby insan » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:46 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...


The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

:lol: :lol:

R u sure? Wasn't the aspiration of GCs Enosis since 1821? When did GCs fight or struggle for an independent Cyprus republic? :lol:

GR, get your facts right! Had TCs not fought against GC aspiration Enosis by collaborating with Brits and Turks you would have been living in a Greek island for a while... and if you didn't like being under Greek rule you would have been free to move any country you like;ie, Lebenon or Africa where you think your ancestors originated... :lol:

Your brain is awfully confused with everything!

First and foremost, the great majority of Greek Cypriots were UNANIMOUS about the REMOVAL OF BRITISH RULE and what was desirable to happen THEREAFTER was a matter of opinion!

Some wanted Enosis with Greece, others wanted Cypriot independence, while others had some other funny communist ideas!

Either way, the IMMEDIATE PROBLEM with which everyone agreed was BRITISH RULE and hence the 1955..1959 EOKA struggle against it.

The oath taken to join EOKA starts with…

"I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life. "


Case closed!


Yeah! Without removing British Rule, they would'nt be able to annex Cyprus to Greece; their motherland which overwhelming majority of then the GCs believed or made believe...

An EOKA under the harsh command of ultra Hellenic nationalist Grivas had no chance to fight for independence of Cyprus even if they believed they were not the descendants of Hellenes...

Moreover, it was official and unofficial Greek political groups who supplied arms and ammunitions for EOKA's Enosis struggle... even this was sufficient for EOKA fighters to be dependent on those circles from Greece and obbey the rules of those Greek circles...

Finally I don't think Grivas and those ultra-nationalist Greek political circles besides ultra-nationalist GCs were as stupid as you not being aware of Cyprus' geo-political value for their national interests... :wink:

Baloney!

We saw very clearly from the July 15th Greek coup that it wasn’t the “overwhelming majority” that supported union with Greece, but some 40%.

The number of fatalities during those 3-4 days from both sides was INCREDIBLY CLOSE standing at 40 Vs 37 even though the coupists had full control of the army!

I have the lists of all the dead…

Patriots:
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... List01.htm

Coupists:
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... List02.htm

So, your “overwhelming majority were for enosis with Greece” argument has been squashed!


Yeah, true but why? Because Enosis with a Greece under the anti-leftist, fascist Junta was not in the interests of GC left who constituted nearly 35% of GC community... :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:55 pm

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
MrH wrote:The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...


The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

:lol: :lol:

R u sure? Wasn't the aspiration of GCs Enosis since 1821? When did GCs fight or struggle for an independent Cyprus republic? :lol:

GR, get your facts right! Had TCs not fought against GC aspiration Enosis by collaborating with Brits and Turks you would have been living in a Greek island for a while... and if you didn't like being under Greek rule you would have been free to move any country you like;ie, Lebenon or Africa where you think your ancestors originated... :lol:

Your brain is awfully confused with everything!

First and foremost, the great majority of Greek Cypriots were UNANIMOUS about the REMOVAL OF BRITISH RULE and what was desirable to happen THEREAFTER was a matter of opinion!

Some wanted Enosis with Greece, others wanted Cypriot independence, while others had some other funny communist ideas!

Either way, the IMMEDIATE PROBLEM with which everyone agreed was BRITISH RULE and hence the 1955..1959 EOKA struggle against it.

The oath taken to join EOKA starts with…

"I shall work with all my power for the liberation of Cyprus from the British yoke, sacrificing for this even my life. "


Case closed!


Yeah! Without removing British Rule, they would'nt be able to annex Cyprus to Greece; their motherland which overwhelming majority of then the GCs believed or made believe...

An EOKA under the harsh command of ultra Hellenic nationalist Grivas had no chance to fight for independence of Cyprus even if they believed they were not the descendants of Hellenes...

Moreover, it was official and unofficial Greek political groups who supplied arms and ammunitions for EOKA's Enosis struggle... even this was sufficient for EOKA fighters to be dependent on those circles from Greece and obbey the rules of those Greek circles...

Finally I don't think Grivas and those ultra-nationalist Greek political circles besides ultra-nationalist GCs were as stupid as you not being aware of Cyprus' geo-political value for their national interests... :wink:

Baloney!

We saw very clearly from the July 15th Greek coup that it wasn’t the “overwhelming majority” that supported union with Greece, but some 40%.

The number of fatalities during those 3-4 days from both sides was INCREDIBLY CLOSE standing at 40 Vs 37 even though the coupists had full control of the army!

I have the lists of all the dead…

Patriots:
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... List01.htm

Coupists:
http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... List02.htm

So, your “overwhelming majority were for enosis with Greece” argument has been squashed!


Yeah, true but why? Because Enosis with a Greece under the anti-leftist, fascist Junta was not in the interests of GC left who constituted nearly 35% of GC community... :wink:


You couldn't prevent the inevitable.

One way or the other, we are united with our sister Greece in the EU and allied against removing you from the remaining 37% of our rightfully, natively Greek-majority inhabited island.
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Postby boomerang » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:20 pm

MrH wrote:Yes Mr Boomerang Ali,

That would have been the case if you GCs wouldn't have messed it up in 1963 - hence, NO MORE TRUST. Jesus, do you really think we are that stupid. Speak to your EOKA members to give you the proper explanation as to why what you say will never become a reality. You are trying to convince, or to blame even, the wrong people. I still visit the graves of those killed between 1963 and 1974 - perhaps we should dishonour the memory of our loved ones by unifying without any guarantees with those Fascist Greek Cypriots who gave a resounding 76% "NO" to the Annan Plan - which still fell short of our needs. It's "Constituent" states dummy with a Loose Central Government - If it's ok for Belgium and Switzerland, then why not for the Greek Cypriots? Oh, I forgot, they are not as Fascist as the Greek Cypriots and their Archbishops!


you and your blackeberry try peddling your bullshit elsewhere... :lol:

as AL said

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
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Postby Me Ed » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:19 am

insan wrote:Oh I forgot Assyrians!

1843 A.D. (6593) 50,000 Assyrians are massacred by the Kurd Badr Khan-Bek. (basTURD atrocities come to light)

1918 A.D. (6668) The Ottoman Empire collapses. Three of four Assyrians (750,000 total) are killed by Turks and Kurds. The surviving Assyrians flee to Iraq and Syria (British and French mandates). The Patriarch Mar Benyamin Shimoon is assassinated by the Kurd Simko. A nationalistic movement sweeps through the Assyrians.

1933 A.D. (6683) The Assyrian town of Semile, and its surroundings, is massacred by Iraqi troops on August 7th. This policy was implemented by a Kurd, General Bakr Sidqi. Because this was a massacre specifically targeted against Assyrians as a nation, as opposed to a Christian group as in World War One, Assyrians would eventually adopt August 7th as official martyr's day.

1957 A.D. (6707) The Assyrian Democratic Organization is founded in Syria.

1967 A.D. (6717) The Assyrian Universal Alliance (AUA) is founded in Iran.

1970 A.D. (6720) The great Assyrian exodus from the Middle East begins, which would see one million Assyrians flee into a diaspora, mostly to America and Europe, by 1997.

1974 A.D. (6724) The Patriarch Mar Esha Shimoon is assassinated. The successor, Mar Dinkha is elected, thus ending the hereditary succession.

1979 A.D. (6729) The Assyrian Democratic Movement is founded.
1980 A.D. (6730) Iran-Iraq war begins. 60,000 thousand Assyrians would die by the war's end.
http://northerniraq.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=713

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You Turks blame the Kurds for all your missdeeds and genocides.

Fortunately no c*nt believes you.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:17 am

h man, will you read my manifesto?
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Postby MrH » Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:35 am

Get Real Said
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The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...

No it wasn’t! We foolishly gave your community 30% of the House of Representatives and the vice presidency, even though you deserved jack shit, but we can now see what a huge mistake it was allowing you any part of it!


What?
Are you smoking something heavy mate? The island was Owned by the Ottoman Empire (Turks) from 1571 to 1878, Annexed by Britain in the 1920s, and then Greek Cypriots Terrorists suckered the British in to relinquishing the island from 1955 to 1960, which resulted in a PARTNERSHIP State - What do you mean YOU gave US 30%. You are a bigger fool and Racist than I thought. Your Greek Nationalism is seriously exposed mate, what a shame that WE Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots will never see eye to eye.

Typical Greek Cypriot attitude, only when it suits you and a Blast when it doesn't. With the British Memorial for those Killed by Greek Cypriots between 1955-1960 in GIRNE and the EU Parliament soon to start DIRECT Trade with NORTHERN CYPRUS, we will see who will have the last laugh. You are just so pissed off as you guys we tricked into entering the EU and now having to handle a HUGE uncontrollable mass migration of Peasant EU nations - trust me mate, I have seen the ones that a have arrived there so far, hence the 16% increase in crime rate. You can keep your GC-ROC.

NORTHERN CYPRUS is here to Stay, you messed up between 1963-1974, and in 2004 with the rejection of the Annan Plan and now you are trying to once again blame us - Typical.

The ISLAND of Cyprus is a SHARED entity of BOTH Greek and Turkish Cypriots, where it is up to you how YOU CHOSE to run your side - clearly you have messed it up.

PLUS - WHO IS GOING TO REMOVE TURKEY's INFLUENCE ON THE ISLAND AND THEIR Guarantor RIGHTS?

Stop Dreaming Get real and get yourself a REAL JOB - Perhaps a Road Sweeper with your Bulgarian Turkish EU Migrants!
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