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[Me Ed]

Added to this is that the difference between the main minority in Turkey, the Kurds, and the main minority in Cyprus, the TCs, is that the Kurds as % of the population of Turkey is slightly higher than the % of TCs in Cyprus.

The Kurds occupy their own land as opposed to ethically cleansed land.

The duplicitous Turks would never even entertain a "partnership" with the Kurds.

[Hermes]

are there truly any other options left but to seek an amicable "Velvet style" split?

This isn't even on the agenda. Not for the EU, the UN, or the Republic of Cyprus. No-one is speaking about partition except Turkey. So unless Turkey has a plan to force its will on the Greek Cypriots and the international community then Turkey had better start thinking of some other options.

The question is why are Turkish Cypriots even considering partition as an option? For Turkish Cypriots, the prospects would be catastrophic. Partition of the north would mean ever-deeper fiscal reliance on Turkey, renewed inflow of poorer, less-educated immigrants and outflow of the original population to Europe and the free areas of Cyprus.

The only hope for the Turkish Cypriots is within a united Cyprus within the EU. Any other option will end in extinction. Turkish actions in the last three decades have resulted in isolation, economic ruin, cultural eradication and mass emigration. Even the most fanatical Greek nationalist couldn't have inflicted such a disaster on the Turkish Cypriots.

Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots need to find the vision and courage to turn their backs on the disastrous policies that led to the invasion and current partition of Cyprus. The prospects are not encouraging but it is in their interests to do so.

[MrH]

Me d

Me d,

Dont Be so foolish.

What does the Kurdish population in Turkey have to do with Cyprus? Why draw such a typical Greek Cypriot response?

The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots, and the UK, Greece and Turkey, while the Constitution of Turkey was obviously NOT.

Why are you trying to foolishly compare two completely different issues. Hey, seeing that there's a huge number of BLACKS and INDIANS in the UK, why don't we also draw a comparison with the UK and Cyprus and re-write the British Constitution to give the Blacks and Indians a separate state - or, similarly to Turkey and differently to Cyprus was the British Constitution NOT Written as a PARTNERSHIP! Unless you are completely dimwitted, and I say it AGAIN, Turkey's Original Constitution was NOT, unlike Cyprus' constitution, established as a Partnership. Don't be fooled by the Greek Cypriot lies and blind truth. BRITAIN relinquished the Island of Cyprus as a Republic in 1960 in the form of a Partnership, where the Racist Greek Cypriot attempts to forcefully change the constitution with dumb Makarios' 13 Point Changes blew up in their faces and now can't take it when the truth is thrown back at them, like what similarly happen on the 15th July 1974. Check out the British Times News Paper around between 15th July - 16th Aug 1974 for the real accounts/evidence and don't believe some of the lying idiots in this pathetic forum.

The Greek Cypriots are trying to DISMISS the idea on Continued UN Talks in the hope that the Turkish Cypriots will yield their CONSTITUTIONAL Rights and form as a Protect Minority with them, under their Racist control. No Way Jose! Our Constitutional Rights are embedded and will either eventually form a Two State Confederation or we will stay Partitioned, recognised or not, until Northern Cyprus' TUKISH population supersedes that of the South - Which, I would not put it past Turkey seeing how angry it is getting with the back-stabbing, double policies of the Greek Cypriot administration in SOUTHERN Cyprus. Just pray that Turkey does not abandon it's EU membership bid and Annex Northern Cyprus - now wouldn't that be funny!!!!!

[Hermes]

what does the Kurdish population in Turkey have to do with Cyprus?

Turkey is loudly championing the rights of Turkish Cypriots. But anyone who champions Kurdish rights in Turkey risks being accused of separatism and even terrorism. So it exposes Turkish hypocrisy.

While Turkey expects international support for a Cyprus solution based on a confederation with political equality between the two communities, it argues the precise opposite for its own Kurdish citizens.

For many Turks, any Kurdish request for national recognition - whether to be called Kurdish citizens of Turkey rather than Turks, or for a federation, or to use the Kurdish language in schools or in the media - is perceived as an attack on the Turkish nation and its territory.

While many Kurds are ready to remain within a unitary Turkish state so long as they can have full cultural rights, for most Turks the idea of Turkish Cypriots accepting minority status in a Greek-Cypriot dominated Republic of Cyprus is anathema.

Turkey cannot argue for a separate protected status for Turkish Cypriots that it would deny its own citizens.

[Hermes]

double post

[humanist]

imply put Mr Head and his blackberry are bullshit artists..

and you didn't pick this up from post one?? ;)

[Get Real!]

The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...

No it wasn’t! We foolishly gave your community 30% of the House of Representatives and the vice presidency, even though you deserved jack shit, but we can now see what a huge mistake it was allowing you any part of it!

The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

It therefore follows that Turks should have NEVER been allowed any part in the new constitution in the first place! You do NOT reward colonial collaborators!

The Greek Cypriots are trying to DISMISS the idea on Continued UN Talks in the hope that the Turkish Cypriots will yield their CONSTITUTIONAL Rights and form as a Protect Minority with them, under their Racist control.

You lost ALL your rights as a result of your actions in 1963, 1974, and then again the final nail in the coffin in 1983!

You rejected, dismissed, abandoned, declared null & void, and illegally re-established the “constitution”, so don't come today and claim you have constitutional "rights" because I will then insist that you be TRIED for all your crimes against this constitution and they all carry DEATH PENALTIES!

....Just pray that Turkey does not abandon it's EU membership bid and Annex Northern Cyprus - now wouldn't that be funny!!!!!

I’m afraid not… you're both well and truly fucked!

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle31.htm

[insan]

Added to this is that the difference between the main minority in Turkey, the Kurds, and the main minority in Cyprus, the TCs, is that the Kurds as % of the population of Turkey is slightly higher than the % of TCs in Cyprus.

The Kurds occupy their own land as opposed to ethically cleansed land.

The duplicitous Turks would never even entertain a "partnership" with the Kurds.

Kurds occupy their own land? Shhttt! If extremist Armenians hear what you claim they could terrorize you!

North Kurdistan or "United Armenia"

Postby Sero » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:08 pm
hey,

for those who know about the treaty of sèvres, they know that it entailed the creation of an independant kurdistan and also allocated some kurdish lands to armenia. here is a map ( very very bad map but only one I can find so far ) :

http://www.hri.org/docs/sevres/map3.html

and another not much better :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Treaty_Of_Sevres.gif

still u can clearly see, the kurdish land going through antep also urfa I think, there's amed ( diyarbakir ), but clearly u can see van, bitlis and all the eastern kurdish lands of north kurdistan are in armenia ( and mardin is in syria ).

the dashnak party of armenia, I think some kind of armenian nationalist party, and some other armenian organizations claim that they want to get back "United Armenia" which means all these lands that are in Armenia in that map.

so I wondered several things, first I always thought there was a kurdish majority in all these lands all the time, so logically these lands even before the genocide should have been in Kurdistan.

2nd what do u think of these unrealistic claims they're making... since Van and all these cities is 100% kurdish now ( even if the whole armenian diaspora came back which I doubt, it would still be kurdish... ).

and 3rd should we claim the map of treaty of sèvres as a basis for our request, as many do, since it cuts us off a main part of our land?

thanks.

Sero
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Postby Diri » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:21 pm

http://northerniraq.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=818

[Simon]

The original Cyprus Constitution was a PARTNERSHIP of Turkish and Greek Cypriots,...

No it wasn’t! We foolishly gave your community 30% of the House of Representatives and the vice presidency, even though you deserved jack shit, but we can now see what a huge mistake it was allowing you any part of it!

The creation of the Republic of Cyprus was not achieved by the Turks - quite the opposite!

It was the Greek Cypriots that created the Republic of Cyprus by freeing Cyprus from British colonial rule while the Turks worked for the colonial forces to suppress the struggle for independence!

It therefore follows that Turks should have NEVER been allowed any part in the new constitution in the first place! You do NOT reward colonial collaborators!

The Greek Cypriots are trying to DISMISS the idea on Continued UN Talks in the hope that the Turkish Cypriots will yield their CONSTITUTIONAL Rights and form as a Protect Minority with them, under their Racist control.

You lost ALL your rights as a result of your actions in 1963, 1974, and then again the final nail in the coffin in 1983!

You rejected, dismissed, abandoned, declared null & void, and illegally re-established the “constitution”, so don't come today and claim you have constitutional "rights" because I will then insist that you be TRIED for all your crimes against this constitution and they all carry DEATH PENALTIES!

....Just pray that Turkey does not abandon it's EU membership bid and Annex Northern Cyprus - now wouldn't that be funny!!!!!

I’m afraid not… you're both well and truly fucked!

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle31.htm

It is also worth mentioning the reason why the Turkish constitution is not a partnership but the Cypriot constitution does allow for shared power. It is simple. Turks chose the constitution for Turkey, but Cypriots did not freely choose the constitution for Cyprus. It was more or less forced on the Greek Cypriots by the external powers, whilst fighting colonial rule. Do you believe for one second the Cypriots would have democratically voted for such a flawed constitution? Give each and every Cypriot 1 vote on the future of Cyprus and we'll see the constitution desired by the people. So therefore, in a sense, Mr H is right, the situations of Turkey and Cyprus are different, the difference is, purely, choice. Choice which from day one has been denied to the majority of the Cypriots. And we all know what that boils down to, geo-strategic interests and the balance of power.

[insan]

Oh I forgot Assyrians!

1843 A.D. (6593) 50,000 Assyrians are massacred by the Kurd Badr Khan-Bek. (basTURD atrocities come to light)

1918 A.D. (6668) The Ottoman Empire collapses. Three of four Assyrians (750,000 total) are killed by Turks and Kurds. The surviving Assyrians flee to Iraq and Syria (British and French mandates). The Patriarch Mar Benyamin Shimoon is assassinated by the Kurd Simko. A nationalistic movement sweeps through the Assyrians.

1933 A.D. (6683) The Assyrian town of Semile, and its surroundings, is massacred by Iraqi troops on August 7th. This policy was implemented by a Kurd, General Bakr Sidqi. Because this was a massacre specifically targeted against Assyrians as a nation, as opposed to a Christian group as in World War One, Assyrians would eventually adopt August 7th as official martyr's day.

1957 A.D. (6707) The Assyrian Democratic Organization is founded in Syria.

1967 A.D. (6717) The Assyrian Universal Alliance (AUA) is founded in Iran.

1970 A.D. (6720) The great Assyrian exodus from the Middle East begins, which would see one million Assyrians flee into a diaspora, mostly to America and Europe, by 1997.

1974 A.D. (6724) The Patriarch Mar Esha Shimoon is assassinated. The successor, Mar Dinkha is elected, thus ending the hereditary succession.

1979 A.D. (6729) The Assyrian Democratic Movement is founded.
1980 A.D. (6730) Iran-Iraq war begins. 60,000 thousand Assyrians would die by the war's end.
http://northerniraq.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=713