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[Get Real!]

Get Real,

What Rubbish are you talking about?

In 1974, after Greece tried to annex the island on the 15th July 1974 and Turkey responded, Britain agreed, wrongly, to allow the ROC to continue under the Administration of the Greek Cypriots BUT locked in an endless UN based negotiations process in order to seek an amicable deal BASED on the Original 1960 Structure of a PARTNERSHIP Agreement, and then later updated with the High Level Agreements. That is why Your leaders have always been COMPELLED to sit at a table and discuss such a deal, and that is why the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY has never felt it RIGHT to FORCE Turkey to leave Northern Cyprus - as they are there under the INVITATION of the PARTNER-Turkish Cypriot people of the ORIGINAL REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS. Man are you IGNORANT.

Wake up man. What are you EXACTLY trying to Say. The ISLAND will ALWAYS be Locked in this UNITED NATIONS Process until either an amicable PARTNERSHIP Agreement is found or Partition of Some kind, following the example of other CONFLICT Area, acts as a basis for perhaps a future agreement.

If the MEMEBER of the EU of the GREEK CYPRIOT ROC had any significance and had ORIGINALLY been thought of as a MEANS to solving the Issue, Clearly the GREEK CYPRIOT Administration has messed it up for the Block. I DO NOT See the EU DEMANDING Turkey to abid by what the Greek Cypriots say as Turkey is Still, after so many GC thought Blunders by Turkey, an EU-Candidate Country. If your EU application was so IMPORTANT, what the hell is the EU stilll doing agreeing to Turkey's EU Candidancy. Come on Man, stop talking Rubbish.

The Truth of the matter is that Turkey is moving AWAY from the EU due to this Double Standards policy and the Greek Cypriots will eventually realise that the EU will act as a double-edged sword when PUSH comes to SHOVE. At the moment, you guys have been lucky, but Turkey is no longer having any more of it. Either the Cyprus issue is resolved as a BBF Confederal Formula, Two States or Turkey leaves the EU UNTIL the EU feels the back hand of the policy of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Jesus Christ Get Real....of all people, you must know how politics affecting our people both in Turkey, Greece and Cyprus works. If YOU are so right, then answer this......Why is Christofias so bent on Blaming EROGLU for walking away from the "UN LEAD NEGOTIATIONS" and NOT HIMSELF? Come on man, even my 15 year old son studying for his GCSE exams can tell you the answer to that - and he regards himself as a Social Democrat!

The Strength the GCs rely so much (by being this all great member of the EU) on is an illusionary one, one that will be their ultimate failure if they do not broker a FEDERAL/CONFEDERAL Deal based on other examples seen around the world.

Utter rubbish 1950s talk!

The year is 2010, and Cyprus has just celebrated her 50th birthday as a sovereign UN member!

READ UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974) AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN until you can stand straight no more…

1.Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

3.Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus…

4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present…

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm


So climb OFF your high horse and come down to reality because you’re a broken and defeated minority of incompetent Ottoman remnant nincompoops, utterly powerless to overcome the Natural Selection Process of Cyprus.

[MrH]

Yes Mr Boomerang Ali,

That would have been the case if you GCs wouldn't have messed it up in 1963 - hence, NO MORE TRUST. Jesus, do you really think we are that stupid. Speak to your EOKA members to give you the proper explanation as to why what you say will never become a reality. You are trying to convince, or to blame even, the wrong people. I still visit the graves of those killed between 1963 and 1974 - perhaps we should dishonour the memory of our loved ones by unifying without any guarantees with those Fascist Greek Cypriots who gave a resounding 76% "NO" to the Annan Plan - which still fell short of our needs. It's "Constituent" states dummy with a Loose Central Government - If it's ok for Belgium and Switzerland, then why not for the Greek Cypriots? Oh, I forgot, they are not as Fascist as the Greek Cypriots and their Archbishops!

[MrH]

Get Real Wrote:

MrH wrote:
Get Real,

What Rubbish are you talking about?

In 1974, after Greece tried to annex the island on the 15th July 1974 and Turkey responded, Britain agreed, wrongly, to allow the ROC to continue under the Administration of the Greek Cypriots BUT locked in an endless UN based negotiations process in order to seek an amicable deal BASED on the Original 1960 Structure of a PARTNERSHIP Agreement, and then later updated with the High Level Agreements. That is why Your leaders have always been COMPELLED to sit at a table and discuss such a deal, and that is why the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY has never felt it RIGHT to FORCE Turkey to leave Northern Cyprus - as they are there under the INVITATION of the PARTNER-Turkish Cypriot people of the ORIGINAL REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS. Man are you IGNORANT.

Wake up man. What are you EXACTLY trying to Say. The ISLAND will ALWAYS be Locked in this UNITED NATIONS Process until either an amicable PARTNERSHIP Agreement is found or Partition of Some kind, following the example of other CONFLICT Area, acts as a basis for perhaps a future agreement.

If the MEMEBER of the EU of the GREEK CYPRIOT ROC had any significance and had ORIGINALLY been thought of as a MEANS to solving the Issue, Clearly the GREEK CYPRIOT Administration has messed it up for the Block. I DO NOT See the EU DEMANDING Turkey to abid by what the Greek Cypriots say as Turkey is Still, after so many GC thought Blunders by Turkey, an EU-Candidate Country. If your EU application was so IMPORTANT, what the hell is the EU stilll doing agreeing to Turkey's EU Candidancy. Come on Man, stop talking Rubbish.

The Truth of the matter is that Turkey is moving AWAY from the EU due to this Double Standards policy and the Greek Cypriots will eventually realise that the EU will act as a double-edged sword when PUSH comes to SHOVE. At the moment, you guys have been lucky, but Turkey is no longer having any more of it. Either the Cyprus issue is resolved as a BBF Confederal Formula, Two States or Turkey leaves the EU UNTIL the EU feels the back hand of the policy of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Jesus Christ Get Real....of all people, you must know how politics affecting our people both in Turkey, Greece and Cyprus works. If YOU are so right, then answer this......Why is Christofias so bent on Blaming EROGLU for walking away from the "UN LEAD NEGOTIATIONS" and NOT HIMSELF? Come on man, even my 15 year old son studying for his GCSE exams can tell you the answer to that - and he regards himself as a Social Democrat!

The Strength the GCs rely so much (by being this all great member of the EU) on is an illusionary one, one that will be their ultimate failure if they do not broker a FEDERAL/CONFEDERAL Deal based on other examples seen around the world.

Utter rubbish 1950s talk!

The year is 2010, and Cyprus has just celebrated her 50th birthday as a sovereign UN member!

READ UN RESOLUTION 361 (1974) AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN until you can stand straight no more…

Quote:
1.Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

3.Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus…

4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present…


http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm


So climb OFF your high horse and come down to reality because you’re a broken and defeated minority of incompetent Ottoman remnant nincompoops, utterly powerless to overcome the Natural Selection Process of Cyprus.

Get Real, perhaps you were still in AUSTRALIA mate just before the the 2004 Annan Plan referendum as the Greek Cypriot Fascists on the street with their ANTI-Turkish Cypriot chants made it fell like the 1950s-1963!

[Gregory]

Yes Mr Boomerang Ali,

That would have been the case if you GCs wouldn't have messed it up in 1963 - hence, NO MORE TRUST. Jesus, do you really think we are that stupid. Speak to your EOKA members to give you the proper explanation as to why what you say will never become a reality. You are trying to convince, or to blame even, the wrong people. I still visit the graves of those killed between 1963 and 1974 - perhaps we should dishonour the memory of our loved ones by unifying without any guarantees with those Fascist Greek Cypriots who gave a resounding 76% "NO" to the Annan Plan - which still fell short of our needs. It's "Constituent" states dummy with a Loose Central Government - If it's ok for Belgium and Switzerland, then why not for the Greek Cypriots? Oh, I forgot, they are not as Fascist as the Greek Cypriots and their Archbishops!

I'm more worried about your capabilities in running an autonomous state. No offense but what makes you think you people are up the job? It will take a lot of work to convince the GC's that you're to be trusted with running one of 2 federal states, lets be honest you haven't really got the experience or the know how. Look at the Republic till today it took us years to get this country functioning as a government and there's still much to improve. However this is a modern European Union state now and we can't risk jeopardizing all this work just because some local minority wishes to run its own district.

How about the process begins at a slower pace? How about we start with running a municipality or a district first and work up from there until you've convinced us that you're capable?

[Get Real!]

Like I said...

You're a broken and defeated minority of incompetent Ottoman remnant nincompoops, utterly powerless to overcome the Natural Selection Process of Cyprus.

In fact, not even your strawberry works!

[Get Real!]

And in case MrH still doesn’t get it:

Nobody listens to you, nobody cares about you, and nobody wants anything to do with you!

BELIEVE IT, DIGEST IT, AND JUST CROAK IN SOME CORNER

…because as a humanitarian, I strongly support your entitlement to euthanasia!

[Me Ed]

Switzerland is 41,284 sq km and Belgium is 30,528 sq km.

At 9,268 sq km Cyprus is simply too small to sustain a federation/confederation.

A federation/confederation at best would only be feasible as an interim solution.

[Get Real!]

Switzerland is 41,284 sq km and Belgium is 30,528 sq km.

At 9,268 sq km Cyprus is simply too small to sustain a federation/confederation.

A federation/confederation at best would only be feasible as an interim solution.

Even if Cyprus was the size of Russia there still wouldn’t be a case given that…

1. Former “Turkish Cypriots” only owned just 12.3% of territory!

2. There’s no such thing as “Turkish Cypriots” anymore anyway.

3. Even if they did exist, they had violated the RoC in 1974 and 1983 to the point of no return.

4. They are the most incompetent people on the planet, second only to Australian aboriginals, so nobody in the right mind could ever trust them with anything.

5. Their only “card” is an illegal Turkish military blackmail!


These are all very serious issues that cannot and should not be ignored!

[Me Ed]

Switzerland is 41,284 sq km and Belgium is 30,528 sq km.

At 9,268 sq km Cyprus is simply too small to sustain a federation/confederation.

A federation/confederation at best would only be feasible as an interim solution.

Even if Cyprus was the size of Russia there still wouldn’t be a case given that…

1. Former “Turkish Cypriots” only owned just 12.3% of territory!

2. There’s no such thing as “Turkish Cypriots” anymore anyway.

3. Even if they did exist, they had violated the RoC in 1974 and 1983 to the point of no return.

4. They are the most incompetent people on the planet, second only to Australian aboriginals, so nobody in the right mind could ever trust them with anything.

5. Their only “card” is an illegal Turkish military blackmail!


These are all very serious issues that cannot and should not be ignored!

1. Agreed but 12.3% of Russia is country sized.

2. Ironically the main people that tout this are Turks themselves and TC spokesman Earoglu.

3. Agreed

4. With the way the mainland Turks run rings around the TCs in the occupied areas, I'm beginning to see this.

5. Agreed

[Sotos]

You can put your "Partnership" up your ass. You are a minority and you will get what all other minorities get. Make the minorities in Turkey partners in running Turkey and then ask them same from us. Until then fuck off.