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[Klik]

Of course the junta wanted to include Cyprus under Greece. Did I deny that? Have you read what I said in sentences or just picked some words?
Did the Cypriot people say no to Enosis? Did the junta want something that the whole Hellenism didn't want? They may have been an evil dictatorship, but that doesn't make them 100% wrong.

But you are missing the point by making ridiculous statements.

All wars have been fought for national or religious reasons? What wars?
How about New World colonization? Was that "war" for you? National, no. Religious, no. That was just some people going around killing others so that they could steal their homes. Guess what. That has happened in the past. 1571, Ottomans manage to invade and encircle the Venetian rulers of Cyprus. 2011, we have a Cyprus problem as that invasion led to a demanding Turkish minority in Cyprus. [I can name you a lot of wars that had nothing to do with nationalism or religion, but then again, you will claim that war is a nationalist act and that's the moment I decide and tell myself that you are not worth talking to since you just don't know how to answer anything]

As for natives to this LAND.... That's just bs. They can have their piece of paper that says BORN IN CYPRUS, but that will never make them Cypriots. Not unless they follow the basic rules. In the past they did, until some foreign powers, including Turkey and the Greek junta to some extent, came in the picture and messed things up. In the past you'd see lots of Greek speaking Muslims. If you ask your grandparents, they'd tell you that they used to be the workers of the Cypriots. That they had rights though, but they were not rich so they had to work for the Cypriots. That was something they accepted. And that's why everyone was so happy in the past. Until England started paying them to kill "the fascist terrorists of Eoka" and Turkey introduced the TMT in 1950. (1958 in Cyprus officially)

You know the difference between Maronites & Latins with the Turks of Cyprus? When you speak to a Maronite & Latin you speak the same language, the language that has been on the island for the past 3000 years. When I speak to a Turk, he looks at me and starts speaking English, a language my grandfathers have died sending away from this place. And the only other language they can speak is the other one that my grandfathers died sending away. Does that seem like a happy place to be? Someone has to adjust, and that's usually the minority. They won't. Someone must leave, and that's the person who came last. They won't. Someone must leave, and that's the minority. They won't. You honestly see a solution?
You wanna see a country that has a tradition of 3000 years destroy that and assimiliate another group, a mixed race, and speak the lingua franca instead of language that has been around for the past 3000 years in order to communicate? Is that the humane thing to do? Because it sounds fair? Multiculturalism never works. And even Alexander the Great who was supposed to be the pioneer did not try to have a multicultured empire, but a Hellenic empire. Make everyone speak ONE LANGUAGE..

We want Cyprus to be FREE. Free of the Turkish troops, free of the Turkish settlers and free of anyone who doesn't like being in a Hellenic island. Turkey has lots of space to host them.


Of course. Now you will pull again, the "fascist" "racist"card. That's the best trick you know. Everyone who bears the Greek flag is a fascist, an extreme nationalist, a pig of society. Brainwashing has worked over here as it's done in Greece. Thank God there are places like Crotone(Italy), Elche(Spain), Hamidie(Syria) the Kalash(Pakistan), Salentina(Italy), Bovesia(Italy), Alexandria(Egypt) and other places... that remind us all that people like you are the minority. That people like you are the pests of our culture. That the real culture is out there. That the culture is alive.

I don't care about Turks as long as they are in Turkey. I don't want to dream of people dying or people burning, like the people you portray people who disagree with your fake beliefs. Turks in Turkey and let them live as they want. Just not in my home

[Bananiot]

You have quickly changed your tune about the junta, haven't you, Klik? Previously you were laughing your head off at the thought that the junta wanted enosis. Now, let me tell you the facts, but before, just to keep things in perspective, you need to remember that most damage to Greek ideals was done by the people who supposedly cared more about these ideals.

As early as 1967, Papadopoulos agreed with his Turkish counterpart for a peaceful solution to the Cyprus issue. When a military coup took place in Turkey, the new Prime Minister supported fervently the idea of Greece and Turkey working for a settlement of the Cyprus issue. In fact, talks between the two communities yielded tangible results when the Turkish side accepted the 13 points Makarios wanted to change regarding the Constitution on the condition that the rights of the TC's to local self rule were clearly enlisted in the Constitution. Makarios rejected the agreement which was accepted by Greece

They may have been an evil dictatorship, but that doesn't make them 100% wrong.

and the Americans were also fervent supporters since solution would suit them fine because they didn't want, quite rightly, the southern eastern flank of NATO to collapse as result of strife between Greece and Turkey.

As you said, GC's wanted enosis and at the critical time it was the remnants of EOKA and the supporters of Grivas who bore the brunt of the enosis struggle. Hence, they distance themselves from Papadopoulos and when he was replaced by Ioannides, they swore allegiance to this dictator who promised them that he would struggle for enosis and of course get rid of Makarios and his supporters who "betrayed the aspirations of thousands of GC's". Of course, the events that followed proved my point, that the morer patriotic someone appears to be, the bigger crook he is in realitiy.

I think the paragraph below is a gem:

As for natives to this LAND.... That's just bs. They can have their piece of paper that says BORN IN CYPRUS, but that will never make them Cypriots. Not unless they follow the basic rules. In the past they did, until some foreign powers, including Turkey and the Greek junta to some extent, came in the picture and messed things up. In the past you'd see lots of Greek speaking Muslims. If you ask your grandparents, they'd tell you that they used to be the workers of the Cypriots. That they had rights though, but they were not rich so they had to work for the Cypriots. That was something they accepted. And that's why everyone was so happy in the past. Until England started paying them to kill "the fascist terrorists of EOKA" and Turkey introduced the TMT in 1950. (1958 in Cyprus officially)

Only the greatest of all fascist minds can say the above. The basic rules you want them to follow are those of the past, so that TC's can work for us for pea nuts and be second and third class citizen, just as they were in the past. No Klik, you are the worse fascist that ever came in this forum. A Greek-speaking Christian like yourself should never forget his Phoenicians roots, just to dish out some of your own medicine.

[lovernomore]

Of course the junta wanted to include Cyprus under Greece. Did I deny that? Have you read what I said in sentences or just picked some words?
Did the Cypriot people say no to Enosis? Did the junta want something that the whole Hellenism didn't want? They may have been an evil dictatorship, but that doesn't make them 100% wrong.

But you are missing the point by making ridiculous statements.

All wars have been fought for national or religious reasons? What wars?
How about New World colonization? Was that "war" for you? National, no. Religious, no. That was just some people going around killing others so that they could steal their homes. Guess what. That has happened in the past. 1571, Ottomans manage to invade and encircle the Venetian rulers of Cyprus. 2011, we have a Cyprus problem as that invasion led to a demanding Turkish minority in Cyprus. [I can name you a lot of wars that had nothing to do with nationalism or religion, but then again, you will claim that war is a nationalist act and that's the moment I decide and tell myself that you are not worth talking to since you just don't know how to answer anything]

As for natives to this LAND.... That's just bs. They can have their piece of paper that says BORN IN CYPRUS, but that will never make them Cypriots. Not unless they follow the basic rules. In the past they did, until some foreign powers, including Turkey and the Greek junta to some extent, came in the picture and messed things up. In the past you'd see lots of Greek speaking Muslims. If you ask your grandparents, they'd tell you that they used to be the workers of the Cypriots. That they had rights though, but they were not rich so they had to work for the Cypriots. That was something they accepted. And that's why everyone was so happy in the past. Until England started paying them to kill "the fascist terrorists of Eoka" and Turkey introduced the TMT in 1950. (1958 in Cyprus officially)

You know the difference between Maronites & Latins with the Turks of Cyprus? When you speak to a Maronite & Latin you speak the same language, the language that has been on the island for the past 3000 years. When I speak to a Turk, he looks at me and starts speaking English, a language my grandfathers have died sending away from this place. And the only other language they can speak is the other one that my grandfathers died sending away. Does that seem like a happy place to be? Someone has to adjust, and that's usually the minority. They won't. Someone must leave, and that's the person who came last. They won't. Someone must leave, and that's the minority. They won't. You honestly see a solution?
You wanna see a country that has a tradition of 3000 years destroy that and assimiliate another group, a mixed race, and speak the lingua franca instead of language that has been around for the past 3000 years in order to communicate? Is that the humane thing to do? Because it sounds fair? Multiculturalism never works. And even Alexander the Great who was supposed to be the pioneer did not try to have a multicultured empire, but a Hellenic empire. Make everyone speak ONE LANGUAGE..

We want Cyprus to be FREE. Free of the Turkish troops, free of the Turkish settlers and free of anyone who doesn't like being in a Hellenic island. Turkey has lots of space to host them.


Of course. Now you will pull again, the "fascist" "racist"card. That's the best trick you know. Everyone who bears the Greek flag is a fascist, an extreme nationalist, a pig of society. Brainwashing has worked over here as it's done in Greece. Thank God there are places like Crotone(Italy), Elche(Spain), Hamidie(Syria) the Kalash(Pakistan), Salentina(Italy), Bovesia(Italy), Alexandria(Egypt) and other places... that remind us all that people like you are the minority. That people like you are the pests of our culture. That the real culture is out there. That the culture is alive.

I don't care about Turks as long as they are in Turkey. I don't want to dream of people dying or people burning, like the people you portray people who disagree with your fake beliefs. Turks in Turkey and let them live as they want. Just not in my home

There are 650000 of us at present, this figure is estimated to go up to a million within 5 years. Your Hellenic island never was and never will be, if anything it will be a Turkish island within 15-20 years, so how about you fuck off back to Greece and live your sad Hellenic life happily ever after

[Klik]

Bananiot, I am the last person who needs history lessons. As for the Phoenicians, you should know that they only had built one port in Cyprus, on the east coast. "

The first people that came in Cyprus were the Assyrians not the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians were a merchant nomad-style tribe that didn't expand much, but had a major role in building cities in the south and west of the Mediterranean.


But actually, the first Cypriots were possibly a black civilization that co-existed with a white civilization. Black as the historical evidence shows that their housing style etc was very similar to the one the Dutch and British found in Sub-Saharan African. Almost the same. And white because when Assyrians and Achaeans(Greeks) came, there is no record of a black civilization. Also note that Achaeans got in the north of Cyprus, Assyrians were initially in the east, and the black civilization was said to in the centre and south, but possibly left the area for Nubia or sub-Saharan Africa.
As I said, look these things up, you might not find much on the internet, but I'm the last person who needs history lessons in here.


You know what, the world is a whole mess now. Because when in ancient times people had ideals and could stand up for themselves, now all we have left is random countries controlling us with cctv, credit cards and cell phones that are detected by satelites, and whenever someone disagrees with a general or not opinion, he gets tagged. The modern era tag is "fascist".
Well done for adjusting in this disgusting environment we live in. I don't want any of it and I will stand up for my opinion and ideals as long as I live.

As for the guy above who doesn't have sex anymore, get yourself a dna test, then go check what your avatar, the red flag with the crescent and star, symbolises, then come back and talk about "Turkey". A mixture of brainwashed, raised-assassins from the Balkans, Middle East and south Mediterranean, who now demand our lands in the name of a non-nation country. Don't break any mirror, it's still this what you are.

And people like Bananiot are also brainwashed to believe that people can coexist together under one banner. A person who refuses to accept the past that shows the major mistakes and wants to repeat them.

As for me being brainwashed, which is the next thing you'll say of course, after "fascist" and "racist", I will just ask you WHO BRAINWASHED me? When the schools train Cypriots to be tolerant and forgiving while the Turks are taught that we are their eternal enemies? When the government is suicidal in accepting terrible treaties and calls our conqueror our brother? Am I brainwashed because I disagree with people like you? Am I a fascist because I want to speak my own language in my own home?

[halil]

Another Hellen ...........

Cyprus is the home of the Cypriots ....Re Hellen Klik............ Never will be Hellenic island or Turkish island re Klik....

It is the home of The Turkish Cypriots, Greek Cypriots. Cypriot Maronite's.
Cypriots who are sharing this island with us...... We will not give u a chance that this island will be Hellen or Turkish re Klik.....

[Klik]

The island did just fine as Hellenic until 1571.

[halil]

The island did just fine as Hellenic until 1571.

[Klik]

How is that funny? You love Cypriot blood flowing like a river? Because that's exactly what happened from that moment and on until mainly 1974, but ongoing until 1999 at least (Cypriot national guard soliders being shot by Turks on the "green line")

I guess the Turks truly are descendants of the Chinese. Who Chinese got their names from the word Σινοι (hence Σινικο τειχος) which means murderers, looters, hostiles... (hence explains why at least 12 Greek ancient towns are buried in China today and there's a region still called Yunnan but that's another topic.. unless there's a conspiracy and Turks were sent from the depthts of China to chase down the Greeks...)

[halil]

How is that funny? You love Cypriot blood flowing like a river? Because that's exactly what happened from that moment and on until mainly 1974, but ongoing until 1999 at least (Cypriot national guard soliders being shot by Turks on the "green line")

I guess the Turks truly are descendants of the Chinese. Who Chinese got their names from the word Σινοι (hence Σινικο τειχος) which means murderers, looters, hostiles... (hence explains why at least 12 Greek ancient towns are buried in China today and there's a region still called Yunnan but that's another topic.. unless there's a conspiracy and Turks were sent from the depthts of China to chase down the Greeks...)

who cares about hellenes or others.......... i care only future of the Cypriots in this island. with your stupid hellenic ideas more bloods will flow...more mothers will cry re hellenic klik.....come to your senses.

[Klik]

You cannot look to the future if you do not respect the past.

Elche, Spain. Mid 1980s, they discovered an ancient monument with Aphrodite's statue as well as Alexander the Great head statue. Those people were filled with pride because their unknown past was discovered. Them as well as Alicante, another ancient Greek town in Spain, organise weekly festivals, recreate Agora and also started having ancient Greek tragedies and also compose their own theatrical plays of Troy and other Greek legends.

What do you say about them? Are they fascists?
When you ask them why they are doing it since the population probably has no connection with ancient Greece, they say they are happy that they know their past because in that way they can advance to their future more clearly.

History is the foundation of humanity. No history, no moving. Some people are routed on the ground and refuse to accept their history and the history of where they are. These people would be called crazy and be locked up if this was England or France in the 1300s. Now people who say otherwise are called extremists for saying what has been sensible for the last 15000 years.

Do you accept that you live in a Greek island? Do you want to truly learn why you are on this Greek island speaking a different language? We are not talking about a huge place here. Only other island that has 2 languages is Sri Lanka, and I assume everyone knows how that's working for them. And Cyprus is one of the only islands that doesn't have its own language. And seeing that Turkish was introduced in 1570 BY FORCE and until 1974 just a 18% was not considering themselves Greek, yet spoken the language, shows the exact situation of the island. Live with it and adjust with reality, or refuse to and live alone. Partition is not our choice, but yours.