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[Lit]

Check out this video from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/10/ ... ml?npt=NP1

Child bride horrors last a lifetime
By Mohammed Jamjoom, CNN
October 1, 2010 3:42 a.m. EDT

Sana'a, Yemen (CNN) -- Reem al Numeri is 14-years-old and recently divorced. She was 11 when she says her father forced her to marry a cousin more than twice her age.

Reem says she has been stigmatized by her divorce and now lives the life of an outcast. Without a husband or father to support her, she cannot attend school.

Her story has echoes of Nujood Ali -- the Yemeni girl whose story sparked an international outrage that many thought would force change in the country.

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this is wrong as well...dark age practices have no place in today's society...

To me dark age practices are the opposite, like church establishment influenced regulations. (that's where 18-ish "age of consent" comes from) Yep, dark age practices like clericalism have no place in today's society, as well as forced marriages with minors (or otherwise).

Disclaimer No, I do not have sex with 15 year olds, nor would I like to. As a matter of fact I prefer more experienced and somewhat educated partners But other people including 15 year olds have a right for other preferences.
To me it's more like: WTF, why in States kids can get driving licenses at the age of 16 while in most (all of it?) Europe it is only from 18? It's not like European kids are more stupid than Americans or something and need more "protection". So WTF?
The same goes for sex. Some people reach puberty earlier, some later. (we live in the age of science, not in the dark age of clerical "morality" or whatever they call it after all) Sure minors (and not only minors) should be protected from abuse/rape etc. But to restrict someone, who reached puberty, from consensual sex is like trying to play god (nature). WTF? The nature says they are OK to go (and many of them do no matter what we, "adults", or the law says), but still every state sets there own (and arbitrary!) age limit. Of course it is a good idea to take into account not only puberty (physical development) but also mental/psychological development. And I guess that's where 15-ish age restriction comes from in those European countries. 18-sh restrictions on the other hand do not seem to have any reason other than "we believe this is appropriate" (clerical-instigated or otherwise).
And then, talking about "dark ages", would we even argue about this subject if church did not "assign" sex as some sinful act millennia ago? They've been screwing with our minds for centuries, otherwise we probably would not even consider depriving people of certain age of something as joyful (and sinful/"bad" as we "know" thanks to all kinds of clerics) as sex.

[Lit]

Check out this video from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/10/ ... ml?npt=NP1

Child bride horrors last a lifetime
By Mohammed Jamjoom, CNN
October 1, 2010 3:42 a.m. EDT

Sana'a, Yemen (CNN) -- Reem al Numeri is 14-years-old and recently divorced. She was 11 when she says her father forced her to marry a cousin more than twice her age.

Disgusting.

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dupe

[Lit]

Check out this video from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/10/ ... ml?npt=NP1

Child bride horrors last a lifetime
By Mohammed Jamjoom, CNN
October 1, 2010 3:42 a.m. EDT

Sana'a, Yemen (CNN) -- Reem al Numeri is 14-years-old and recently divorced. She was 11 when she says her father forced her to marry a cousin more than twice her age.

Reem says she has been stigmatized by her divorce and now lives the life of an outcast. Without a husband or father to support her, she cannot attend school.

Her story has echoes of Nujood Ali -- the Yemeni girl whose story sparked an international outrage that many thought would force change in the country.

More from that CNN article below:

A prominent Yemeni human rights activist, Amal Albasha, is also outraged the practice continues. Her organization, Sisters Arab Forum, tries to intervene on behalf of child brides, to stop the marriages from taking place. Albasha added that nothing will change until people in Yemen try to fully understand the horror a child bride goes through.

"You know, just two days ago, a 9-year-old girl got married in Taiz." she said. "Just think about the pain, the fear -- just think about a 9-year-old with a 50-year-old in a closed room," said Albasha. "The experience remains until the day of death."

[Lit]

Check out this video from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/10/ ... ml?npt=NP1

Child bride horrors last a lifetime
By Mohammed Jamjoom, CNN
October 1, 2010 3:42 a.m. EDT

Sana'a, Yemen (CNN) -- Reem al Numeri is 14-years-old and recently divorced. She was 11 when she says her father forced her to marry a cousin more than twice her age.

Reem says she has been stigmatized by her divorce and now lives the life of an outcast. Without a husband or father to support her, she cannot attend school.

Her story has echoes of Nujood Ali -- the Yemeni girl whose story sparked an international outrage that many thought would force change in the country.

More from that CNN article below:

A prominent Yemeni human rights activist, Amal Albasha, is also outraged the practice continues. Her organization, Sisters Arab Forum, tries to intervene on behalf of child brides, to stop the marriages from taking place. Albasha added that nothing will change until people in Yemen try to fully understand the horror a child bride goes through.

"You know, just two days ago, a 9-year-old girl got married in Taiz." she said. "Just think about the pain, the fear -- just think about a 9-year-old with a 50-year-old in a closed room," said Albasha. "The experience remains until the day of death."

Aired on October 01, 2010:

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according to the douche bag and this is what he said...

He will sink to any lowly act of bastardy to try to discredit anyone and anything remotely associated with Turkishness or the Islamic culture and traditions...

again in another post...

Here he tried to turn a legal cultural practice into paedophilia,and accuses others ,without any evidence, of condoneing a vile act against children...

here the douche bafg can't see that this "legal cultural tradition" is in itself evidence...as he tries to tell us otherwise...

it's ok coz it's a cultural tradition...can anyone get more disgusting than this?...

[Nikephoros]

Even the Germans have found out how backward the dirty muslim Turkish culture is:

Idiot Generation: Taboo Subject Imports Incest


... Dr. Udo Ulfkotte makes a candid point.

On the new portal Kopp Online, the following can be read:

Since the debate regarding immigrants from the Islamic culture group started by Thilo Sarrazin, there is now talk over many facets of an alleged enrichment by immigration. Only one subject has been excluded here, the humiliating “marriage to relatives” that are called weddings by people from the Islamic culture circle who before the marriage are already closely related to each other. And the low IQ of many “enrichers.” We all pay a high price for the consequences.

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In German cities like Duisburg, every fifth matrimonial bond that is made in Turkish communities is between cousin and cousin. According to reports by the Essen Centre for Turkish studies (ZfT), they comprise even a quarter of the marriages by those of Turkish origin in Germany. This is risky: If cousin and cousin in the first rank bear a child, the probability of the worst anomalies and illnesses for the child are twice as much as in a usual marriage. Turks have made incest the normal case not only in their “relative marriages” gossiped about by us in cities like Duisburg, but also among certain other immigrant groups in the meantime. And who pays for the consequences stemming from that? We taxpayers?

[Cossie]

Reading this thread gives one a great snapshot of some of the underlying issues that cloud the Cyprus problem and hinder its resolution. Try some tolerance, try focussing on some common goals.

Im not going to pass a value judgement on cosanguine relationships, but I will say that a little over a century ago it was not uncommon in any part of the world. Yes it is more common in many Middle Eastern/Islamic nations, but I am sure there are social factors that exist there that no longer exist in the "West" that contribute to the practice elsewhere. The genetic arguments against the practice boil down to value judgements, ie. Is a 3% genetic defect rate signficantly higher that the normal background rate of 1.5% too high?

I thought this forum was about solving the problem, not exacerbating the problem. So unless cosanguine relationships amongst TCs are hindering a resolution, why bring it up?

[Nikephoros]

Cossie, are you just a leftist gay or a Turk?

If you are so down with first cousin marriages, then encourage them amongst your own leftist gay family and kindly STFU.

Believe it or not, not everyone in this world will kow-tow to disgusting muslims like Turks and Turkish Cypriots, and make constant excuses for their backwardness and lack of civility just to construct a leftist gay narrative, about peaceful Greek and Turk Cypriots, divided by evil nationalists. And your facts are totally wrong, consanguineous marriages are greatly frowned in all Christian societies. Greeks will not even accept their daughter to marry their baptized Godson, even though they are not related.