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[denizaksulu]

you are wrong my friend, the point is if everyone remained silent thiws will be going for ever...in this instance, underage marriage to an overgrown man, coupled by immediate family ties is absolutely wrong...you know it, i know it everyone knows it...and for bir to come out and say we should show tolerance towards other peoples customs is purely wrong....

There is nothing wrong wrong or excibiting prejudice exposing something is wrong...

the examples of stoning and curring off girls genitalia are more examples that discredit bir's arguments...either you voice it or pit up with it...i guess i chose to voice it...

further more this topic only highlighted the backwardness of a highly educated individual...what on earth was he thinking off?...

i could understand and said it many times, a peasnt doing it due to lack of education, but the then future president of a country?...

now you see how europeans see Gul...and don't tell me they would approve this because of tolerance...western society will never accept this...hell many muslims wouldn't...i know quite a few that wouldn't and call him backwards...why then the tcs would try and justify this when even the turks abhort this action?...you think turks are prejudice and show ignorange at their own people?...

why not join the other forum and ask the question deniz?...

I will stick to the cf. Cyprus is my chief interest, so I guess you are stuck with me.

I will not be a party to you and Birs differences except that he is intelligent enough not to condone the subject at hand.

you disappoint me deniz...this is what he said...

He will sink to any lowly act of bastardy to try to discredit anyone and anything remotely associated with Turkishness or the Islamic culture and traditions...

stoning is an islamic culture and tradition...and i could name you a dozen others along with underage pimping to an overgrown over educated man...all in the name of islam...yeah a very intelligent statement from bir...so by attacking it i am sinking to a lowly act of bastardy...what a dickhead...

I disappoint quite often. Can not be helped. Show me an instance where what Bir said is untrue in this context and quote, then I may criticise him. Yet isnt it true that a number of Oz GCs enjot T/TC baiting? I find it shameful. TC have always been 10 steps ahead of Turks from Turkey in their liberalism and anything else that you can think of.

well in this thread with not only a disgusting fist post but with a blackmail as welll...and then in his second posts to defend his bullshit comment drags wifes in it ...while a personal attack on me...i was amazed at his level of intelligence...his stupidity knowsno bounds...

as far as tcs being 10 steps infront of the turks, how come then you islam boys took offence to what this posts was all about, huh?...

you might have been 10 steps ahead, but it looks to me you are 10 steps behind as we speak deniz...

'Islam boys'; only you could come up with that crap.

what i am a christian boy...so what?...are you offended?...by your religion perhaps?...

Religion pays no part in my life so ..........................

that might be so...today...but we as people get older, with the end at sight, we can't seem to resist the power of the unknown...

Lets discuss this when stone throwing and forced marriages happens in Cyprus.

I am more 'anti-religion' in my maturer years. Seen too much or seen enuf.

[boomerang]

are you talking to yourself?...

[Gasman]

you islam boys

Gawd! After ottoman remnants. Whatever next?

The Islam Massif?

[boomerang]

you islam boys

Gawd! After ottoman remnants. Whatever next?

The Islam Massif?

gassfart they are muslim are they not?...would you be more comfortable with the term, muslim boys?...

and they way they came defending islam...says it all does it not?...

but the real nail in the coffin was when turkey herself, admitted there was a problem... ...but to the muslim boys 10 steps ahead of the turks, wouldn't have a bar of it...

anyway a positive step from turkey...

[umit07]

Hey Boomers

I've been silently watching this thread all along, apart from where the argument has deviated to (as always) what was your initial point you were trying to make, if any?

[boomerang]

Hey Boomers

I've been silently watching this thread all along, apart from where the argument has deviated to (as always) what was your initial point you were trying to make, if any?

hey umit how was the trip?...

the topic was an underage, a 15 year old married to a grown man, 15 years her senior...and first cousins to boot...

now we are not talking about a peasant, this i can undersatnad, not condone it but understand it...we are talking about a well educated man that
1...should have known better with marrying with in the family
2...a grown man marrying, a 15 year old, 15 years her junior...
3...and this man a president of the republic today

you find this acceptable umit?...

obviously today turkey admitted this to be a problem and taking steps in educating people...a step in the right direction...but some morons seemed to be ok with it...obviously these morons i take it are against turkey taking steps in rectifying such a problem coz they accused me of prejudices...

this is what some moron said which we will not name, hey bir...

He will sink to any lowly act of bastardy to try to discredit anyone and anything remotely associated with Turkishness or the Islamic culture and traditions

he has no problems, but it seems his motherland has plenty of problems...i don't know about you but do you think turkey is being bastardy in trying to discredit herself with anything to do in turkey and turkishness or the islamic culture and traditions?...

[umit07]

Hey Boomers

I've been silently watching this thread all along, apart from where the argument has deviated to (as always) what was your initial point you were trying to make, if any?

hey umit how was the trip?...

the topic was an underage, a 15 year old married to a grown man, 15 years her senior...and first cousins to boot...

now we are not talking about a peasant, this i can undersatnad, not condone it but understand it...we are talking about a well educated man that
1...should have known better with marrying with in the family
2...a grown man marrying, a 15 year old, 15 years her junior...
3...and this man a president of the republic today

you find this acceptable umit?...

Crap like this still happens in Turkey with backward religious folk. When I say backward, they're the type that come with Phd's these days, just like abdullah. I'm going to bed now boomers but if you really wanna understand how scum like abdullah got to where they are now, read through a few of these links when you've got time.

http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition

http://thelastcrusade.org/tag/fethullah-gulen/page/2/

Gulen has owns the "zaman" newspaper which even distributes here in Oz, he also owns "Isik College", islamic private schools across Oz. [/url]

[boomerang]

Hey Boomers

I've been silently watching this thread all along, apart from where the argument has deviated to (as always) what was your initial point you were trying to make, if any?

hey umit how was the trip?...

the topic was an underage, a 15 year old married to a grown man, 15 years her senior...and first cousins to boot...

now we are not talking about a peasant, this i can undersatnad, not condone it but understand it...we are talking about a well educated man that
1...should have known better with marrying with in the family
2...a grown man marrying, a 15 year old, 15 years her junior...
3...and this man a president of the republic today

you find this acceptable umit?...

Crap like this still happens in Turkey with backward religious folk. When I say backward, they're the type that come with Phd's these days, just like abdullah. I'm going to bed now boomers but if you really wanna understand how scum like abdullah got to where they are now, read through a few of these links when you've got time.

http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition

http://thelastcrusade.org/tag/fethullah-gulen/page/2/

Gulen has owns the "zaman" newspaper which even distributes here in Oz, he also owns "Isik College", islamic private schools across Oz. [/url]

well turkey is addressing the problem and that is good news...goodnight umit...

[boomerang]

briefly browsed through the first link but i must warn you, fine old culturally traditions shouldn't be misunderstood as our good friend bir the douche bag will say...

on a serious note, after briefly reading from the first link, i can't see why the US can't see through this...maybe their vented interest in the long run is to control the islamic world through turkey...whos knows what goes behind close doors in the US...one thing is for sure you can bet your bottom dollar the US only looks after number one...

i will read more tomorrow...thanks for the links...

another point the recent ref in turkey won by 8%, so there is still resistance, today...but tomorrow i=it will be another day...

on another point what and how does this translates when it comes to cyprus?...

[insan]

Although Gul is not married to his first cousin as the retard Boomsy claims by considering wikipedia as a creddible source, here are some facts about cousin marriages...

I personally have never thought getting married with any of my cousins be it first,second or third... because i've always considered them as if my sisters... I've never even thought of getting married to any of our neighbour's daughters...

However, it is obvious that people of different regions with different cultures and different traditions getting married to their cousins for various reasons... This is a fact... Even in Europe, no country prohibits cousin marriages... A recent study by a group of scientists revealed that the beliefs regarding the cousin marriages r too exaggerated and false...

http://www.themedguru.com/articles/scie ... 19816.html

An International team of scientists discovered that giving birth to children with genetic defects as a result of wed lock between cousins was no greater risk than in case of women becoming pregnant after 40 years.

Professor Diane Paul of Massachusetts University and Hamish Spencer of the University of Otago in New Zealand, leaders of the study, said "Women in their forties are not made to feel guilty about having babies and the same should apply to cousins who want to marry."

The scientists believe that the laws against cousin marriage are based on false fears. An over all review of the studies show that birth defects in children of cousins is significantly smaller than the general assumption.

http://www.cousincouples.com/?page=facts

Some people are fixated on the fallacy that cousin couples pose an intolerable risk to their offspring. However it is likely that we are all descendants of cousin marriages. Before civil laws banning cousin marriages, it was preferable to marry a cousin in some communities as it is to this day in many countries. The notion "why marry a stranger" is just as prevalent in many countries as the cousin marriage taboo in America today. There are a wide range of opinions on the subject of cousin marriages. This is fuelled by erroneous information, bigotry, and presumptions. Further we have civil laws and religious creeds based on obsolete information.

The facts about cousin marriages are much clearer.

Fears of cousins who marry having children with birth defects are exaggerated. Simply marrying within your own race increases the odds of birth defects. Marrying within your own town further increases your chances. Cousin couples have only a slightly higher incidence of birth defects than non-related couples.


26 states allow first cousin marriages; most people can marry their cousin in the US.

US prohibitions against cousin marriages predate modern genetics.

No European country prohibits marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico to marry your cousin. The U.S. is the only western country with cousin marriage restrictions.

Children of non-related couples have a 2-3% risk of birth defects, as opposed to first cousins having a 4-6% risk. Genetic counseling is available for those couples that may be at a special risk for birth defects (e.g. You have a defect that runs in your family) In plain terms first cousins have at a 94 percent + chance of having healthy children. Check the links section for more information on genetic counselors. The National Society of Genetic Counselors estimated the increased risk for first cousins is between 1.7 to 2.8 percent, or about the same a any woman over 40 years of age. Source: external link

Second cousins have little, if any increased chance of having children with birth defects, per the book "Clinical Genetics Handbook"

The frequency of cousin marriages in the USA is about 1 in 1,000. The frequency of cousin marriages in Japan is about 4 in 1,000

It is estimated that 20 percent of all couples worldwide are first cousins. It is also estimated that 80 percent of all marriages historically have been between first cousins!

In some cultures, the term cousin and mate are synonymous.
Albert Einstein married his first cousin. And so did Charles Darwin, who had exceptional children.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, the longest serving US president in history married his cousin (not a first cousin, however they shared the same last name).

Leviticus 18 lists all forbidden sexual relationships. Cousin relationships are not included.

God commanded many cousins to marry, including Zelophehad's 5 daughters, Eleazar's daughters, Jacob (who married both Rachel and Leah, first cousins), and Isaac and Rebekkah (first cousins once removed)

It is likely that Joseph and Mary -- Christ's earthly parents were first cousins.

Current studies indicate that cousin couples have a lower ratio of miscarriages -- perhaps because body chemistry of cousins is more similar. The verdict is still out.


We are all cousins. No two people are more distantly related than 50th cousins.

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I'm sure the retard Boomsy will keep getting his info from hearsay and his favourite source wikipedia for self-amusement... You know how hard it is to explain anything to ultra-prejudiced twats!